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| BUCKS VS KING AND PENTA |
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27 | 29.35% |
| BOY VS JACK |
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2 | 2.17% |
| MIRO VS PILLMAN |
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6 | 6.52% |
| MJF VS SAM |
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57 | 61.96% |
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You see the crowds all over the country getting tired of it
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Jul 5, 2021 02:27
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SatoshiMiwa posted:Problem with trying to do Okada/Kenny but with Hangman is that unlike Okada crowds are pretty ready for Kenny to lose/getting tired of the run ins and AEW doesn't have as hot a feud as Okada/Naito lined up to carry business. And if you have Hangman lose at All out only to win at Full Gear it'd feel....cheap I think. Yeah, I think there's a definite shelf life for the current Elite cheating to win storyline. There has to be comeuppance at some point or it'll start feeling like bad NWO.
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Jul 5, 2021 02:28
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The only reason I think Page should lose to Kenny is because that's the story. His problem has never been his friends, championships, or even his drinking. Its been his inability to deal with failure. So winning a championship doesn't "fix" that. Getting supportive friends doesn't "fix" that. He's gotta actually get ok with losing and understanding its not that big a deal. If the end of this story is "Page is champion and that makes him happy" that feels like its learning the wrong lesson. But they could bridge that gap on the road there without a loss to Kenny. I'm not sure exactly how but we'll have to wait and see. But either way when he wins people are gonna be pumped.
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Jul 5, 2021 02:31
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The crux of Sting vs. Hogan is that friendship is good, so Sting getting pinned by Hogan and being saved by Bret Hart and having the title stripped from him like a week later was actually good.
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Jul 5, 2021 02:32
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MJeff posted:That thread got RTed into my timeline and I was reading it and I wound up at the part where Dark Order comes in and I wound up going down the Brodie tunnel and now I'm gettin' all misty-eyed, fucks sake. i finally listened to the amanda huber unrestricted last night just, gently caress
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Jul 5, 2021 02:36
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STAC Goat posted:The only reason I think Page should lose to Kenny is because that's the story. His problem has never been his friends, championships, or even his drinking. Its been his inability to deal with failure. So winning a championship doesn't "fix" that. Getting supportive friends doesn't "fix" that. He's gotta actually get ok with losing and understanding its not that big a deal. If the end of this story is "Page is champion and that makes him happy" that feels like its learning the wrong lesson. If Hangman kicks out of the OWA and then still loses, it's a big friggin' deal, even in a loss. That might work.
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Jul 5, 2021 02:38
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MJeff posted:Shida should be louder, angrier and have access to a time machine. STAC Goat posted:The only reason I think Page should lose to Kenny is because that's the story. His problem has never been his friends, championships, or even his drinking. Its been his inability to deal with failure. So winning a championship doesn't "fix" that. Getting supportive friends doesn't "fix" that. He's gotta actually get ok with losing and understanding its not that big a deal. If the end of this story is "Page is champion and that makes him happy" that feels like its learning the wrong lesson. I'd go the other way: Page wins the title, but finds that he's still unhappy and that he doesn't really like being champion. He doesn't tank his matches or anything, but he loses a few months later because his heart's just not in it. Then he realizes what he lost now that it's gone, and tries to conquer his demons to get it back. I don't know if I've ever seen that in wrestling before.
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Jul 5, 2021 02:47
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sticklefifer posted:I think Aero Star's busy in AAA. I think my only problem with that is that I think his story SHOULD end with him winning the championship. That SHOULD be the big triumphant moment for Page. Plus they kind of already did that to an extent with his tag run where his drinking just got worse, his relationships got worse, he seemed terrified of losing them, and then got played by FTR. The championships and the wins weren't enough for him. Page being champ with supportive friends and still being unhappy is definitely an interesting story but it doesn't feel like they've treated his drinking as a real problem for a long time so it feels like they've moved past that deeper unhappiness a bit. I dunno. It would certainly be an interesting angle to go but I do really feel like a delayed win that is climactic to his personal story is better than an immediate win that isn't.
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Jul 5, 2021 02:53
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i don't know what's gonna happen i don't know what should happen
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Jul 5, 2021 03:07
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SatoshiMiwa posted:crowds are pretty ready for Kenny to lose/getting tired of the run ins Uhhhh, nope. Nothin' to back that up at all. Tried to slip one past the goalie there, fam.
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Jul 5, 2021 03:08
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A crowd can be one person
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Jul 5, 2021 03:29
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Doesn’t Hangman have to go through the ordeal and die to get insight before he can get his hero’s reward? Maybe a draw could constitute for that with a rematch, but I don’t think you could do 4 matches.
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Jul 5, 2021 03:30
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I’m sure it’d be very well executed, but I personally do not want to watch a 60 minute Broadway title match. I’ll take a TNT Title draw because at least that’s only 20 minutes.
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Jul 5, 2021 03:33
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The constant run-ins are getting super tiresome but I think it's going to pay off when the Dark Order beat the poo poo out of the Good Brothers, the Bucks and Don Callis to make sure the fight between hangman and Kenny is fair.
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Jul 5, 2021 03:34
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Crapple! posted:The constant run-ins are getting super tiresome but I think it's going to pay off when the Dark Order beat the poo poo out of the Good Brothers, the Bucks and Don Callis to make sure the fight between hangman and Kenny is fair. Between the Dark Order and Kaz, there are more than enough babyfaces to head off the Elite at the pass, especially if it’s at a PPV with a long entry ramp.
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Jul 5, 2021 03:35
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I don't get why people want to put off Hangman's win. He's hot right now. His storyline has reached its peak after a few detours. Putting off his big win doesn't do him any good and would just lead to three more months of both Kenny and Page spinning their wheels and not advancing anything. Page winning closes that chapter on his way up to winning the big one, and then opens up a lot more storylines than if he loses.
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Jul 5, 2021 03:42
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Codependent Poster posted:I don't get why people want to put off Hangman's win. He's hot right now. His storyline has reached its peak after a few detours. Putting off his big win doesn't do him any good and would just lead to three more months of both Kenny and Page spinning their wheels and not advancing anything. Page winning closes that chapter on his way up to winning the big one, and then opens up a lot more storylines than if he loses. It also puts the world title one on their heralded young guys, and now is the time to pull the trigger.
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Jul 5, 2021 03:44
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Lead Pipe Cinch posted:Between the Dark Order and Kaz, there are more than enough babyfaces to head off the Elite at the pass, especially if it’s at a PPV with a long entry ramp. I still want to see someone you wouldn't expect pop up to keep the Elite out of the match. Not as a face turn, but as a "the roster has had enough" moment.
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Jul 5, 2021 03:46
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Zombie Lemur posted:I still want to see someone you wouldn't expect pop up to keep the Elite out of the match. Not as a face turn, but as a "the roster has had enough" moment. PAC, at Eddie Kingston’s encouragement.
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Jul 5, 2021 03:49
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Zombie Lemur posted:I still want to see someone you wouldn't expect pop up to keep the Elite out of the match. Not as a face turn, but as a "the roster has had enough" moment. I can kind of see the Pinnacle or at least MJF getting involved in order to get the Elite out of the way so they can be the dominate faction in AEW, thought they still have to finish things with the Inner Circle first. Alternate answer: Cody runs out to hit the Cross Rhodes on Cutler for stealing his old facemask gimmick and then leaves.
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Jul 5, 2021 03:49
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Zombie Lemur posted:I still want to see someone you wouldn't expect pop up to keep the Elite out of the match. Not as a face turn, but as a "the roster has had enough" moment. Nyla.
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Jul 5, 2021 03:55
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PAC and Nyla would both be good choices. Callis should eat some kind of move, I feel like he's earned it. Comedy Schiavone tackling Callis option.
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Jul 5, 2021 04:11
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Codependent Poster posted:Putting off his big win doesn't do him any good and would just lead to three more months of both Kenny and Page spinning their wheels and not advancing anything. If you put off his big win, it's because you have a plan in mind that doesn't involve three months of wheel-spinning for Kenny and Page. It's not something you do because more dragged out = better. Hangman losing and realizing he's at peace with failure, or drawing and realizing that he doesn't need to win to succeed, is a completely valid beat that adds another dimension to the story. You can have Omega going from confident and dismissive of Hangman in the build to the first match to scared and paranoid before the second. Maybe have him and the Bucks be at odds with one another if they lose the tag team belts or fail to adequately interfere in a match on his behalf, which lets you more easily do a straight-up match for Kenny-Hangman II. Or maybe you just want to do a little more with this Kenny title run, squeeze in a program with people like Darby or Dustin or Tommy End before he gives up the belt. I'm not saying any of these are necessarily better options than just pulling the trigger, but there are stories to tell no matter which direction you go in. This is the company's most foundational arc, so whatever decision they make, I'll assume it's been well considered until I have reason to believe otherwise
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Jul 5, 2021 04:15
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Codependent Poster posted:I don't get why people want to put off Hangman's win. He's hot right now. His storyline has reached its peak after a few detours. Putting off his big win doesn't do him any good and would just lead to three more months of both Kenny and Page spinning their wheels and not advancing anything. Page winning closes that chapter on his way up to winning the big one, and then opens up a lot more storylines than if he loses. Maybe they don't think its peaked. Maybe they don't think it would lead to wheel spinning. Maybe they have more matches they want to see with Kenny as champion or have more belts before the big blowoff happens. I can go either way. I can get behind him winning as soon as All Out or it taking as long as Full Gear or longer. But I don't think it's an insanely unreasonable thing to think there's more road, to the point where you can't comprehend it.
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Jul 5, 2021 04:20
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Hangman started falling at All Out 2019. He lost everything at All Out 2020. He needs to win at All Out 2021.
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Jul 5, 2021 04:22
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hangman realizes he doesn't need to win to succeed and then goes to wwe
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Jul 5, 2021 04:23
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is kurt angle a free agent? i'd love to see him cum truck the elite.
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Jul 5, 2021 04:28
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The Wingmen jump Cutler as he tries to come out and interfere. They're unaware that there's any sort of storyline going on, Avalon just wants to make him unhappy.
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Jul 5, 2021 04:34
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Zombie Lemur posted:The Wingmen jump Cutler as he tries to come out and interfere. They're unaware that there's any sort of storyline going on, Avalon just wants to make him unhappy. "The enemy of my enemy is my friend" Eddie Kingston
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Jul 5, 2021 04:43
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Zombie Lemur posted:The Wingmen jump Cutler as he tries to come out and interfere. They're unaware that there's any sort of storyline going on, Avalon just wants to make him unhappy. YOU'RE A LOOOOSER, BRANDON
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Jul 5, 2021 04:46
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Codependent Poster posted:I don't get why people want to put off Hangman's win. He's hot right now. His storyline has reached its peak after a few detours. Putting off his big win doesn't do him any good and would just lead to three more months of both Kenny and Page spinning their wheels and not advancing anything. Page winning closes that chapter on his way up to winning the big one, and then opens up a lot more storylines than if he loses. We’ve been waiting a year plus for this and we must wait longer because we’ve always been waiting.
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Jul 5, 2021 04:53
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I'd rather watch Kenny matches
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Jul 5, 2021 04:59
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Codependent Poster posted:I don't get why people want to put off Hangman's win. He's hot right now. His storyline has reached its peak after a few detours. Putting off his big win doesn't do him any good and would just lead to three more months of both Kenny and Page spinning their wheels and not advancing anything. Page winning closes that chapter on his way up to winning the big one, and then opens up a lot more storylines than if he loses. I don't think a reluctant Hangman winning right out of the gate would get you the big pop you want for the moment where Kenny is finally deposed. Their relationship has mostly been on the backburner, with Kenny only getting more powerful and arrogant as Hangman fought to stay steady. Even now, Hangman is tentative and unsure. Him winning would be cool, but not a Moment the same way Moxley finally deposing Jericho was. I could be completely wrong about this and maybe there's a point in the match where Page'll finally get that spark back, showing the spirit he had in their tag run again as he goes on an offensive tear before getting the pin, but I don't think this is the final stage of Kenny's heel run. I think Page loses, either through interference or because of his own hesitation, but becomes rejuvenated in that loss, finally fully accepting the Dark Order's help and no longer holding the prospect of winning the title with them at his side at arm's length, leading to the real high octane chase where he takes the title.
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Jul 5, 2021 05:21
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Gumball Gumption posted:I'd rather watch Kenny matches I'd really like to see a Sammy or Darby defense before Kenny loses.
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Jul 5, 2021 05:24
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Hangman doesn't have to win the title tomorrow. There are still 2 months until All Out to bring this story to where it needs to be. I just don't understand why he needs to get kicked around some more for people to get excited about him winning. All of the major milestones in this 2 year story that he is the protagonist of have been him losing
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Jul 5, 2021 05:29
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Crapple! posted:Hangman doesn't have to win the title tomorrow. There are still 2 months until All Out to bring this story to where it needs to be. I just don't understand why he needs to get kicked around some more for people to get excited about him winning. All of the major milestones in this 2 year story that he is the protagonist of have been him losing He's the #1 contender and they are starting a heavy build to it. Either they do it before All Out or Hangman needs to fail for other challengers to make sense. MassRafTer fucked around with this message at 05:35 on Jul 5, 2021 |
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Jul 5, 2021 05:33
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They've made matches for PPVs and had lower-profile title shots in the interim period; I don't see why you couldn't do the same here. Promoter wants the money match on the paid show! I also think "You wouldn't get a big pop for Hangman beating Kenny just yet" is one of the most bonkers opinions I've seen in this thread
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Jul 5, 2021 05:35
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xbilkis posted:They've made matches for PPVs and had lower-profile title shots in the interim period; I don't see why you couldn't do the same here. Promoter wants the money match on the paid show! Because he's the #1 contender and they just did an angle for it after teasing the angle for weeks! It's really bad booking to do another challenger when you have your top contender doing angles with the champion. Don't book the angles if you are going to have a lower ranked challenger first.
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Jul 5, 2021 05:37
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he's the #1 contender, but he's still ducking Kenny and hasn't changed his mind on it yet, they have time to build one more defense for Kenny that galvanizes Hangman into action, or an angle where The Elite decide to gently caress with him/his friends and set up Kenny's fall for All Out. granted, that's if they hit the ground running basically THIS Wednesday, if we don't see movement on it soon, it might be a longer build than we're thinking i don't think Hangman necessarily has to lose again to make the story great, but he does have to be well and surely provoked
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Jul 5, 2021 05:37
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BTE got me thinking: how many people on the AEW roster do you think can dunk a basketball on a regulation 10 foot hoop
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