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Mantis42 posted:Hmm, a government hostile to the current Russian regime and a historical rival to the Chinese? The State Dept has authorized me to give you a blank check. the Khrushchev clownacracy is directly related to the current oligarchy and trots so you should also promise corn
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Jul 6, 2021 08:12
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Raskolnikov38 posted:reading through this: oh right lmao the PRC tried to appoint their own bishops and rome has been flipping out ever since cant run a child trafficking org and mafia money laundering operation if the government appoints your pedo bitchshops
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Jul 6, 2021 08:19
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I think the people battling the Myanmar junta are probably the people shooting at it myself but I have a pretty limited worldview
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Jul 6, 2021 09:23
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I know thread is going to get a kick out of this, Chinese are selling private electric stations on their version of craigslist after the cryto ban. https://chinadigitaltimes.net/chinese/667884.html
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Jul 6, 2021 11:58
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are the ughyur slaves a separate expense or is this a package deal
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Jul 6, 2021 12:13
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Vasukhani posted:Has anyone written a history of the concept of "government in exile" ancient romans held onto all kinds of kings and stuff hostage in rome so they could control their countries. if that counts
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Jul 6, 2021 13:31
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In 1974, Deng Xiaoping, the “Architect of Modern China,” warned the world that someday China may become an imperialist country that will bully other countries. How did this happen? One of the greatest achievements of the Chinese Communist Party is to transform China from a famine-racked economic disaster under Mao Zedong into the world’s second largest economy with cutting edge technology and infrastructure. One of the darkest periods in the history of modern China is the era of Mao Zedong and his “Great Leap Forward,” during which the Chinese economy suffered tremendously and millions of Chinese died. In the period after Mao’s death, Deng Xiaoping assumed leadership of China and the Communist Party. It was Deng who launched a series of far-reaching market economy reforms that have earned him the recognition of being the “Architect of Modern China.” In contrast, Mao was known as the most repressive of China’s modern day rulers, willing to sacrifice human lives in order to main the continuous iron-fist rule of the Communist Party. Deng was not the chosen successor of Mao, but Deng managed to out-maneuver the chosen successor of Mao – Hua Guofeng – and became de facto leader in 1978. Although he inherited a China with disorder and disenchantment, he was able to restore order and embarked on political and economic reforms. One of the political reforms was to set term limits for every official, including the president, who was limited to ten years. This remained in effect until Xi Jinping became president and lifted term limits. He also introduced foreign investments and started diplomatic ties with many countries, including the United States. It was, therefore, a bit shocking to many observers that during Xi Jinping’s 100th anniversary speech of the CCP, he was wearing a Mao jacket and had a giant portrait of Mao Zedong as a foreground for his public speech. Xi used his speech to send a message of defiance or a threatening message to the world, depending upon one’s point of view. He said: “No one should misunderstand the will of the Chinese people to defend its territorial integrity.” Although it is unimaginable to imagine being bullied by any foreign country including the United States, Xi said in his speech that the era of China being bullied by foreign countries is over. He said: “By the same token we will never allow anyone to bully, oppress or subjugate [China]. Anyone who would attempt to do so will find themselves on a collision course with a great wall of steel by over 1.4 billion people.” The CCP has now started tightening its control by establishing party branches in all aspects of Chinese life. Xi has even put the squeeze on business tycoons, not because they are rich, but because he does not want them to challenge his authority. According to the Economist, several wealthy businessmen have been arrested or otherwise reined in. One recent target is Jack Ma, founder of the e-commerce giant Alibaba (and a party member). Alibaba and its financial services company, the Ant Group, have more than 200 party branches with 7,000 members, said Alibaba’s party chief in 2018. Yet Mr. Ma stepped out of line by attacking regulators in a speech. That led to the halting of what would have been the world’s largest initial public offering: listing the Ant Group in Hong Kong and Shanghai. Mr. Ma dropped out of sight for three months. Regulators forced Ant Group to restructure and fined Alibaba more than 18-billion yuan for violating antitrust law. It has been a long and difficult struggle for China to move out of the Mao Zedong era. Now that it has become a superpower, we should remember the speech made by Deng Xiaoping, the Father of Modern China, in 1974 at the United Nations: “China is a socialist country, and a developing country as well. China belongs to the Third World. Consistently following Chairman’s teachings, the Chinese government and people firmly support all oppressed peoples and oppressed nations in their struggle to win or defend national independence, develop the national economy and oppose colonialism, imperialism and hegemonism. This is our bounden international duty. “China is not a superpower, nor will she ever seek to be one. What is a superpower? A superpower is an imperialist country which everywhere subjects other countries to its aggression, interference, control, subversion or plunder and strives for world hegemony. If capitalism is restored in a big socialist country, it will inevitably become a superpower. The Great Proletarian Revolution which has been carried out in China in recent years, and the campaign of criticizing Lin Piao and Confucius now underway throughout China, are both aimed at preventing capitalist restoration and ensuring that socialist China will never change her color and will always stand by the oppressed peoples and oppressed nations. “If one day China should change her color and turn into a superpower, she too should play the tyrant and everywhere subject others to her bullying, aggression and exploitation, the people of the world should identify her as social-imperialism, expose it, oppose it and work together with the Chinese people to overthrow it.” China, under Xi Jinping has become the China that Deng warned the world about in 1974 – a superpower that is playing tyrant in the world. It is subjecting other nations to “…bullying, aggression and exploitation.” It has become an imperialist country.
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Jul 6, 2021 13:53
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Deified Data posted:I had some libbish friends scoff at Xi's statement that China has not oppressed another country and never will, using as his example Tibet. I hesitate to call disenfranchising the feudal warlords there "oppression" but in any case, what were China's claims to the region? Any good resources on this to start from? Not really something you can search for and turn up a useful answer outside of "China is imperialist". https://wikileaks.org/wiki/Wikileaks_releases_over_150_censored_videos_and_photos_of_the_Tibet_uprising very nsfw here you go dude, it's probably where most people after 2008 would look to for "oppression" in Tibet. Whether you think it's ever justified for a state to use that kind of violence on a people or what, and if that is the kind of thing that would make them unsuitable to govern them is I guess what the question is. I think a lot of it is word games, whether you can say it's imperialism or whatever else you wanna call it, it really doesn't matter (for this, at least.) What matters is whether it's defensible to do that to the people you govern, and if so for what reasons. You can get by by saying "they didn't oppress another country" and, maybe, but that seems pretty unimportant. I'm kinda against it all for the same reasons I'm against police and state brutality in America.
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Jul 6, 2021 14:01
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Wikileaks posted:Censorship, like communism, seems like a reasonable enough idea to begin with. 
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Jul 6, 2021 14:07
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BrainDance posted:https://wikileaks.org/wiki/Wikileaks_releases_over_150_censored_videos_and_photos_of_the_Tibet_uprising very nsfw here you go dude, it's probably where most people after 2008 would look to for "oppression" in Tibet. Whether you think it's ever justified for a state to use that kind of violence on a people or what, and if that is the kind of thing that would make them unsuitable to govern them is I guess what the question is. I think a lot of it is word games, whether you can say it's imperialism or whatever else you wanna call it, it really doesn't matter (for this, at least.) What matters is whether it's defensible to do that to the people you govern, and if so for what reasons. One of my school teachers in high school was a Tibetan refugee, he wasn’t super stoked about his interactions with the PLA. Chinas warming up to all the great power bullshit and they’re not different than any other.
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Jul 6, 2021 14:11
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did the communists take away any of his castles
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Jul 6, 2021 14:13
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Some Guy TT posted:did the communists take away any of his castles They were just upset they could no longer make instruments out of the skins of peasants.
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Jul 6, 2021 14:15
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Ya WikiLeaks is bullshit but it's another one of those things that are probably irrelevant to whatever conclusion you're gonna make about what happened there. They have an agenda for leaking it, which is its own conversation but if it's something that isn't just completely bullshit (Zenz poo poo vs, you know, pictures) then, it is what it is. Like, I would say WikiLeaks sucks. But I wouldn't say WikiLeaks sucks and so it's cool to mow down some Tibetans.
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Jul 6, 2021 14:15
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Thank you for linking to pictures of dead bodies with virtually no context. I really learned something
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Jul 6, 2021 15:16
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Red and Black posted:Thank you for linking to pictures of dead bodies with virtually no context. I really learned something I had guessed people in this thread wouldn't really need any more context on the last Tibetan unrest. The context is pretty straightforward anyway. I did say they were very nsfw. I don't really like things like that either but, if we're going to talk about this stuff and say "ok we can say China isn't doing anything oppressive but you can't actually link to anything that shows that if it's there" then, this is just gonna be a real lovely circlejerk. That's what it looks like, as lovely as it is.
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Jul 6, 2021 15:23
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Red and Black posted:Thank you for linking to pictures of dead bodies with virtually no context. I really learned something Photos of dead people with no context blaming the PRC. GBS China posters ftw. Also lmao quote:To Wikileaks via Tibetan Centre for Human Rights and Democracy https://tchrd.org/about-us/ quote:The centre is entirely run and staffed by Tibetans in exile. The centre’s all-Tibetan staff recognize the reality of living under occupation, of being born in exile and of having that access to provide accurate, up-to-date insights into life in occupied Tibet. The centre enjoys direct and immediate access to information from Tibetan refugees escaping Tibet via Nepal to Dharamsala.
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Jul 6, 2021 15:24
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SMEGMA_MAIL posted:Chinas warming up to all the great power bullshit and they’re not different than any other. no pla ever bombed my country
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Jul 6, 2021 15:29
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BrainDance posted:ok we can say China isn't doing anything oppressive are people really saying this? even in here I think people acknowledge they’re doing repression, they just disagree about the motives and scale
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Jul 6, 2021 15:29
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SMEGMA_MAIL posted:Chinas warming up to all the great power bullshit and they’re not different than any other. lol this is just asinine
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Jul 6, 2021 15:30
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SMEGMA_MAIL posted:One of my school teachers in high school was a Tibetan refugee, he wasn’t super stoked about his interactions with the PLA. Chinas warming up to all the great power bullshit and they’re not different than any other. let me know when china is roaming the globe doing regime change as a general policy and bombing countries back into the stone age and destabilizing entire loving regions and funding and training death sqauds. thanks
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Jul 6, 2021 15:33
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indigi posted:are people really saying this? even in here I think people acknowledge they’re doing some repression, they just disagree about the motives and scale AnimelsTrash just posted this, which like half of the poo poo goes against what the party themselves say and teach in China on most China issues. AnimeIsTrash posted:Photos of dead people with no context blaming the PRC. GBS China posters ftw. The party does not deny that PLA forces killed people during that unrest. The pictures havent been questioned. You have to be really gullible to think that any state would be above this sort of thing. There definitely are lovely reasons for other states to project information like this (which is another thing I've been super consistent on and wrote about a lot) but still doesn't mean "ok cool murder Tibetans." And most of the poo poo I post in the GBS thread now (which I'm super critical about) is calling out racism. Though I did once post a funny picture I took of a guy walking his pet duck in Zhengzhou. I identify as a past TCC poster, current retro games poster. Sorry I'm critical of cspam posters as much as I am GBS posters. Like maybe what happened in 08 was a big conspiracy but saying that is, at this point, on the level of saying "Q is real"
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Jul 6, 2021 15:37
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What I'm trying to say is, it would be more helpful if you just linked to reporting on Tibet
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Jul 6, 2021 15:40
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Red and Black posted:What I'm trying to say is, it would be more helpful if you just linked to reporting on Tibet That doesn't work very well here without tracing down every single source (and for good reason.) Pictures are way better evidence for most things.
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Jul 6, 2021 15:41
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BrainDance posted:That doesn't work very well here without tracing down every single source (and for good reason.) Pictures are way better evidence for most things. yes but as Mr. Anime said the lack of context renders the photos meaningless. I don’t know poo poo about what happened in Tibet in 2008 and I’m happy to grant that China repressed and killed civilians but without knowing how or why or over what it’s kind of a meaningless fact. divorced from context you can’t really say more about it than “yes people died”
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Jul 6, 2021 15:46
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BrainDance posted:That doesn't work very well here without tracing down every single source (and for good reason.) Pictures are way better evidence for most things. Evidence for what?
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Jul 6, 2021 15:51
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Speaking generally, pictures aren't impartial arbiters, their framing can be misleading and their context can be scrubbed and replaced to serve a fictional narrative
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Jul 6, 2021 16:00
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Personally I don't think Asia exists, and you all are gaslighting me.
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Jul 6, 2021 16:03
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First thing america did after becoming the premier superpower after WW2 was hire a bunch of literal nazi's to run their intelligence agencies so China needs to work hard to get on our level. whataboutism!!! 
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Jul 6, 2021 16:19
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https://twitter.com/ZaidZamanHamid/status/1411906332605698050 https://twitter.com/photo_military/status/1406296758653751308
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Jul 6, 2021 16:24
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very upsetting
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Jul 6, 2021 16:26
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indigi posted:yes but as Mr. Anime said the lack of context renders the photos meaningless. I don’t know poo poo about what happened in Tibet in 2008 and I’m happy to grant that China repressed and killed civilians but without knowing how or why or over what it’s kind of a meaningless fact. divorced from context you can’t really say more about it than “yes people died” Again i'm not denying that there were violent clashes between protestors and the police. China has also said that protestors killed several innocent people. I think it's weird to link pictures of dead bodies, supplied by a group that very clearly has an agenda and go "the PRC did this".
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Jul 6, 2021 16:34
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AnimeIsTrash posted:Again i'm not denying that there were violent clashes between protestors and the police. China has also said that protestors killed several innocent people. its the usual black book thinking, it doesnt matter who died in the conflicts, just that people did and communism was responsible. see; PLA deaths getting counted in the "Tiananmen massacre"
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Jul 6, 2021 16:40
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AnimeIsTrash posted:Personally I don't think Asia exists, and you all are gaslighting me. 
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Jul 6, 2021 16:52
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Throatwarbler posted:https://twitter.com/ZaidZamanHamid/status/1411906332605698050 pretty much as expected anybody that isnt deep in the kool-aid should have seen this coming years ago
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Jul 6, 2021 16:55
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Agrajag posted:pretty much as expected i think everyone seeing this coming is why we've put it off for so long
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Jul 6, 2021 17:17
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genericnick posted:Evidence for what? "Fact-finding" concern trolling Palladium has issued a correction as of 18:00 on Jul 6, 2021 |
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Jul 6, 2021 17:58
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Mr Xi is going to BRI the taliban and do what the soviets and america failed to do
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Jul 6, 2021 18:01
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https://twitter.com/yvesduv/status/1412300427727708160?s=20
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Jul 6, 2021 18:22
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Cao Ni Ma posted:Mr Xi is going to BRI the taliban and do what the soviets and america failed to do the taliban arent going to be too paranoid about western democracy anymore because everyone saw what the americans tried to do and how it failed so now they can just chill and grow fat on the silk road
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Jul 6, 2021 18:22
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It rocks that whoever edited that wiki page saw fit to put in a trite "communism sounds good on paper" diatribe but not a trigger warning for guys who have been disemboweled
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Jul 6, 2021 18:23
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