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NotJustANumber99
Feb 15, 2012

somehow that last av was even worse than your posting
Yeah I thought the CGI in that kind of fit the concept of a hell/heaven done on the cheap by an out of favour middle manager. Although I can't really remember there later series and didn't watch the end of it

Eurgh. Derek appears as the perfect being in the series finale, after being rebooted over 151 million times by Mindy St. Claire

NotJustANumber99 fucked around with this message at 22:20 on Jul 6, 2021

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Oh dear me
Aug 14, 2012

I have burned numerous saucepans, sometimes right through the metal

Borrovan posted:

The word "genocide" has an equally valid meaning to the word "cheeseburger", but one of those things is bad & the other one is good. The philosophy isn't concerned with how good the various meanings that people ascribe to their existence are, it's just concerned with finding some meaning.
e: on reflection, I think it's actually a strength of the philosophy that it ascribes equal meaning to the lives of, say, someone who's quite happy digging ditches for a living & generally kind to people around them, & some kind of activist who has a massive positive impact on society.
But this all seems like something I could say without any input from absurdism etc at all, just from having a rather traditional attitude to ethics. I suppose finding a meaning is finding an answer to the question 'what is the point of you?', and if someone asked me that, I would cite my (obviously inadequate) efforts to improve the lot of various sentient beings, i.e. my virtuous actions, such as they are. The kind ditch-digger and the altruistic activist are both fine from this perspective, but if someone said their meaning was just to enjoy themselves, or to acquire as much stuff as possible, I would think that was bad and it would be better if they didn't think they had a meaning, because then they might feel compelled to find a more ethical one.

OwlFancier posted:

The contradiction between those two things, IMO, is the point, because you need to believe in things sincerely but you also can't ignore that there isn't really a god given mandate for you to do so.
I don't think gods would change anything - they might be Tories themselves, after all. It is ethics that creates the mandate, by which gods themselves might be judged. If I think of possible answers to the question 'what is the point of you', I necessarily judge them by ethical standards. Ethics aren't material objects that can be pointed to, of course, but neither are they simply the creation or choice or peculiarity of individuals. We can have real discussions about the right thing to do, offering each other reasons and persuading each other, in a way that isn't possible for tastes, for example. And I can't feel that my own ethics are something I freely choose. I mean if I could just suddenly decide to approve of cruelty and destruction, I should probably be much happier; but I can't, because from my current ethical position, that would be bad. So my mandate, as it were, consists of ethical beliefs that have largely been given to me by my environment and at most slightly evolved by me. I can feel my life is meaningless when I feel I am not doing enough good, but I absolutely cannot think it doesn't matter that I'm not doing enough good, which I suppose is implied by thinking there is no meaning anywhere.

Jakabite posted:

they have as much intrinsic value as any belief, but they’re still awful in my opinion
OK, I just don't understand how that isn't a contradiction. Having value is having some sort of goodness, I would have thought.

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you
Fun Shoe

sebzilla posted:

Niednagel

As in the weird slug thing in the IHOP?

Jaeluni Asjil
Apr 18, 2018

Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!
https://www.bas.ac.uk/jobs/vacancies/

IT jobs with British Antarctic Survey (Cambridge based with trips to Antarctica):

IT Engineer – Linux
Closing 11 July, 2021 11:59 pmCambridge, however may require travel to Antarctica and time spent at seaSalary from £31,931 to £34,709 per annum.

Business Systems Support Engineer
Closing 18 July, 2021 11:59 pmCambridge. Although based in Cambridge, the job may occasionally require travel to the Antarctic. It is essential that the individual appointed to the job is flexible, physically fit and able to work in an often-challenging environment. Tours of duty in the Antarctic can vary but normally last from 4 to 12 weeks.£31,931 - 34,709 per annum

IT Service Desk Engineer
Closing 25 July, 2021 11:59 pmCambridge. Although based in Cambridge, the job may require travel to the Antarctic. It is essential that the individual appointed to the job is flexible, physically fit and able to work in an often-challenging environment. Tours of duty in the Antarctic can vary each year but normally last from 4 to 12 weeks. Antarctic visits will not necessarily occur each year.£25,702 - £27,938 per annum.

xtothez
Jan 4, 2004


College Slice
Not long to go now, this time tomorrow we'll know the answer. England versus Denmark... who has the best Legoland?

Lady Demelza
Dec 29, 2009



Lipstick Apathy
Few pages back, but that dolls house is gorgeous. Was it in this thread that someone posted the Youtube link to someone who had recreated the Addam's Family house? If not, do have a look. The dedication and attention to detail was mind-boggling.

I have no idea who most of these philosophers are or what their ideas are. My only aim (philosophy?) is to leave the world a better place than I found it, in whatever way I can. Nothing I do will matter or be remembered in 100 years time, which is either depressing or freeing depending on my mood at the time.

That 'nothing is more important than family' meme reminds me: last year I read a lot of biographies and listened to podcasts about people overcoming things. A lot of them talked about what gave their life meaning and purpose, and finding beauty in life when everything was going wrong. They all managed it, so either nihilists did not overcome the thing, or they're not the type to share their experiences. Some of them mentioned religion, some dedicated themselves to a cause, but almost everyone mentioned family. What was meant to be uplifting was actually pretty depressing, because they all gave the impression that the meaning and worth of a life was measured in love.

Saros
Dec 29, 2009

Its almost like we're a Bureaucracy, in space!

I set sail for the Planet of Lab Requisitions!!

Are those Antarctic salaries a joke. What. It's not even one where you spend a season there with no expenses.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

Corgis love bread. And Puro


Saros posted:

Are those Antarctic salaries a joke. What. It's not even one where you spend a season there with no expenses.

Welcome to the public sector

Jakabite
Jul 31, 2010

Oh dear me posted:



OK, I just don't understand how that isn't a contradiction. Having value is having some sort of goodness, I would have thought.

So it's about who decides that. An absurdist, as I understand it, would say that the universe is indifferent - there is no intrinsic value to anyone's beliefs. They're all just people having thoughts. Good? Bad? Human inventions with no root in anything higher than what some bipedal creatures have conjured up. However, those creatures will obviously disagree. Now we obviously sit on one side of that disagreement, and we believe we're right. But that doesn't come from some universal value system inherent in the universe, it's just the result of what we think based on the evidence around us, how we were brought up, and a million billion other factors that have caused us to form our beliefs. Does that mean they're meaningless and the same as the Tories'? No, because by believing them we give them meaning. We don't need some higher power or philosophy to say 'this is meaningful', because to us it is and that's all that matters. Our beliefs, their consequences, and, well, everything have about as much value as we decide they have, but the universe doesn't give a poo poo. Or rather, in my view, can't give a poo poo.

Comrade Fakename
Feb 13, 2012


https://twitter.com/emmaszewczak/status/1412400680174866439

HopperUK
Apr 29, 2007

Why would an ambulance be leaving the hospital?

Lady Demelza posted:

Few pages back, but that dolls house is gorgeous. Was it in this thread that someone posted the Youtube link to someone who had recreated the Addam's Family house? If not, do have a look. The dedication and attention to detail was mind-boggling.

Thank you so much! My work is very sloppy and imprecise but it turns out it doesn't actually matter at all.:) I would love to make the Addams Family house. Maybe a future project.

Munin
Nov 14, 2004


Lady Demelza posted:

That 'nothing is more important than family' meme reminds me: last year I read a lot of biographies and listened to podcasts about people overcoming things. A lot of them talked about what gave their life meaning and purpose, and finding beauty in life when everything was going wrong. They all managed it, so either nihilists did not overcome the thing, or they're not the type to share their experiences. Some of them mentioned religion, some dedicated themselves to a cause, but almost everyone mentioned family. What was meant to be uplifting was actually pretty depressing, because they all gave the impression that the meaning and worth of a life was measured in love.

I can't help but feel that there is a certain level of selection bias which leads to that sample. I have seen quite a few cases where engaging with your family more was definitely not the answer. That in quite a few cases defining who matters in your life youself rather than who you were thrown in with is essential for some people's mental well-being.

Angrymog
Jan 30, 2012

Really Madcats

Dammit, why can't they want a Windows sysadmin :(

Mano
Jul 11, 2012

Angrymog posted:

Dammit, why can't they want a Windows sysadmin :(

Windows freezes on it’s own, no need to send someone to the Antarctic.

Or

There are no windows in the Antarctic.

WhatEvil
Jun 6, 2004

Can't get no luck.

Gyro Zeppeli posted:

As a noodle connoisseur, shin ramyun is a solid pick. Indomie Mie Goreng is also a classic.

Samyang spicy noodles are VERY spicy but they're also loving delicious.

As somebody who through lockdown has tried many many types of instant noodles (probably like 30+), including some only available at specialist Chinese grocers... this man knows his stuff. Samyang and Indomie Mie Goreng (as well as the chicken flavour (yet still vegetarian)) versions are absolutely pro-tier non-expensive noodles.

Not all of the Samyang noodles are ludicrously spicy though. There are some that are just called "Samyang ramen" which are a (still spicy but not blow-your-head-off-spicy) beef flavour which are excellent.

Nissin noodles are good. There's a "Sesame Oil" flavour which is really good, and so is "Black Garlic Tonkotsu" flavour.

The best I've had though were a brand called "Pami". They're much more expensive than your usual instant noodles - but still only like £9 for 4 packs so not absolutely crazy. I had some fried scallion flavour and basically all you get is a block of dried noodles plus a sachet of oil, but you cook them up and the noodles are way way better than your standard fare - excellent texture and taste, and then the oil you add to them is this intensely richly flavoured onion oil, and that's really all they need. It's making my mouth water just writing about them.

My pro tip though is if you're making instant noodles a lot, get yourself some good quality Tamari (it's like soy-sauce but richer in flavour and also incidentally gluten-free), some toasted sesame seeds, and some Lao Gan Ma (that's the brand) Spicy Chilli Crisp - which is crispy fried chilli bits in oil, with black beans and stuff. You can add all of these to practically any kind of noodles and it'll make them tons better and more interesting. You can also just make noodles and add no other seasoning except for these things and it'll still be delicious.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

I've never had instant noodles but garlic flavour sounds nice.

sebzilla
Mar 17, 2009

Kid's blasting everything in sight with that new-fangled musket.


goddamnedtwisto posted:

As in the weird slug thing in the IHOP?

The very same. Named it after him as a tribute to all his work.

knox_harrington
Feb 18, 2011

Running no point.

Munin posted:

I have seen quite a few cases where engaging with your family more was definitely not the answer.

Yeah, I'm just coming up to 2 years of zero contact with my Dad. It's been a huge improvement to my life just not having to deal with his nonsense.

Azza Bamboo
Apr 7, 2018


THUNDERDOME LOSER 2021
Brexistentialism

Oh dear me
Aug 14, 2012

I have burned numerous saucepans, sometimes right through the metal

Jakabite posted:

We don't need some higher power or philosophy to say 'this is meaningful', because to us it is and that's all that matters. Our beliefs, their consequences, and, well, everything have about as much value as we decide they have, but the universe doesn't give a poo poo. Or rather, in my view, can't give a poo poo.

Oh, ok. Fair enough, but this is surely standard atheism - or even more common, if you add in all those who (like me) can't see how an external entity could be an arbiter of our morality anyway, however powerful they claimed to be.

Random Integer
Oct 7, 2010

Chapagetti is the best instant noodles. Fry up some lardons and kimchi and throw it all together and you got a stew going baby. Some variety of buldak-bokkeum-myeon a solid backup if I cant get chapagetti.

Jedit
Dec 10, 2011

Proudly supporting vanilla legends 1994-2014

Broke: Nazi Göring.
Woke: Nasi Goreng.
Bespoke: Nazi goring.

Nothingtoseehere
Nov 11, 2010


Saros posted:

Are those Antarctic salaries a joke. What. It's not even one where you spend a season there with no expenses.

That's 10 years of Tory austerity and pay restraint for you... then these companies wonder why they can't find technical staff.

Biggus Dickus
May 18, 2005

Roadies know where to focus the spotlight.

Communist Thoughts posted:

Sam yang are the angry chicken noodles right? Yeah theyr the best just too spicy

My personal fave are Nongshim kimchi-flavour - I literally buy them by the box. Place in a 6in pan, boil the kettle and add just enough water to float the noodles.

If you want to turn it into a meal, add some actual kimchi, a couple of eggs (raw or pre-boiled/sliced) and some grilled pork belly.

Now I’m hungry.

crispix
Mar 28, 2015

Grand-Maman m'a raconté
(Les éditions des amitiés franco-québécoises)

Hello, dear

Biggus Dickus posted:

My personal fave are Nongshim kimchi-flavour - I literally buy them by the box. Place in a 6in pan, boil the kettle and add just enough water to float the noodles.

If you want to turn it into a meal, add some actual kimchi, a couple of eggs (raw or pre-boiled/sliced) and some grilled pork belly.

Now I’m hungry.

WET.

EGGS.

:nono:

crispix
Mar 28, 2015

Grand-Maman m'a raconté
(Les éditions des amitiés franco-québécoises)

Hello, dear
i was forced to use a self service checkout in adsurs last year and it charged me for a pork belly, but i've been vegetarian for 20 odd years. all the things i actually bought were on the receipt and then it added a pork belly at the end, it still plays on my mind, that :/

Red Oktober
May 24, 2006

wiggly eyes!



crispix posted:

i was forced to use a self service checkout in adsurs last year and it charged me for a pork belly, but i've been vegetarian for 20 odd years. all the things i actually bought were on the receipt and then it added a pork belly at the end, it still plays on my mind, that :/

Cannot believe that Corbyn's anti-semitism makes it as far as Asda. Truly shocking.

Jakabite
Jul 31, 2010

Oh dear me posted:

Oh, ok. Fair enough, but this is surely standard atheism - or even more common, if you add in all those who (like me) can't see how an external entity could be an arbiter of our morality anyway, however powerful they claimed to be.

I think atheists can still believe in universal good and bad. To be honest I’m doing my best to explain how it seems to me but I realise
I’m doing quite poorly and this is because I don’t really know what I’m on about. I guess the important bit to me is realising everything just comes from a bunch of peoples heads and the collective agreements (and disagreements) that have been made by billions of chaotic individuals over thousands of years - some of it makes sense to me and some of it doesn’t and I pick and choose the bits that do and try and let them guide me.

Barry Foster
Dec 24, 2007

What is going wrong with that one (face is longer than it should be)

knox_harrington posted:

Yeah, I'm just coming up to 2 years of zero contact with my Dad. It's been a huge improvement to my life just not having to deal with his nonsense.

This is something I'm now finding myself having to seriously consider and if it wasn't for the fact it would also mean losing contact with my siblings and niece and mum there's every chance I would've pulled the trigger

therattle
Jul 24, 2007
Soiled Meat

crispix posted:

i was forced to use a self service checkout in adsurs last year and it charged me for a pork belly, but i've been vegetarian for 20 odd years. all the things i actually bought were on the receipt and then it added a pork belly at the end, it still plays on my mind, that :/

Did you maybe continue a transaction someone had already begun with a pork belly?

CGI Stardust
Nov 7, 2010


Brexit is but a door,
election time is but a window.

I'll be back

crispix posted:

i was forced to use a self service checkout in adsurs last year and it charged me for a pork belly, but i've been vegetarian for 20 odd years. all the things i actually bought were on the receipt and then it added a pork belly at the end, it still plays on my mind, that :/
that wasn't an item, it was just insulting you

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

Jakabite posted:

I guess the important bit to me is realising everything just comes from a bunch of peoples heads and the collective agreements (and disagreements) that have been made by billions of chaotic individuals over thousands of years - some of it makes sense to me and some of it doesn’t and I pick and choose the bits that do and try and let them guide me.
Some of it doesn't make sense as an individual because it comes from a cloud of people, other bits don't make sense as a conscious mind because they come from the wet bits underlying that.

Become Alan Moore. Worship a sock.

Jakabite
Jul 31, 2010

crispix posted:

i was forced to use a self service checkout in adsurs last year and it charged me for a pork belly, but i've been vegetarian for 20 odd years. all the things i actually bought were on the receipt and then it added a pork belly at the end, it still plays on my mind, that :/

The machine was insulting your waistline

TACD
Oct 27, 2000

“Unexpected item in the bagging area” 👀

Pistol_Pete
Sep 15, 2007

Oven Wrangler

TACD posted:

“Unexpected item in the bagging area” 👀

"Please place your own bag in the bagging area."

*

*

*

"Your own bag is too heavy. Please wait for assistance."

:argh:

Niric
Jul 23, 2008

therattle posted:

Did you maybe continue a transaction someone had already begun with a pork belly?

Just Another Lurker
May 1, 2009

Still got Sharwoods noodles (technically noodles) i bought in 2016, i eat the odd packet but they are mainly my fall back for the oncoming food shortage.

Throw some scallions & olive oil into them and they do the job well enough.

Comrade Fakename
Feb 13, 2012


Just lol if you haven’t been going out of your way to use the self-serve checkout as often as possible in the supermarket for years.

Jakabite
Jul 31, 2010
What the heck is up with all this scallions business? They’re spring onions you traitors

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keep punching joe
Jan 22, 2006

Die Satan!
Imagine going to the supermarket and talking to anyone. gently caress sake like something my gran would do.

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