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The characters in the story always have the same information that the viewer does. That's a classic staple of storytelling.
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Sep 12, 2020 08:59
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Yeah, I didn't leave the game thinking any of them were good. They are all hosed up humans with the exception of Lev and Dina. I still give the nudge to Abby because most of the stuff that Ellie does results in a pyrrhic victory at best.
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Sep 12, 2020 10:57
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Obvs the smartest way to play TLOU2 is to make two columns marked 'Good' and 'Bad' and write down character names under each one, just so you can keep track of what's what.
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Sep 12, 2020 11:28
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LMAO the second to last thing Ellie does before “coming to Jesus” is hold a switchblade a sleeping child’s throat (literally the same child who saved her and her girlfriend and her son’s life 2 years ago) and force a woman who had been starved, beaten, and left for dead to fight her in mortal combat. Just absolutely Insanely lol
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Sep 12, 2020 12:15
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Dan Didio posted:'the good one' Relatively speaking to Abby, i'd say yeah.
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Sep 12, 2020 12:50
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Yes, I understood that, it's still funny.
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Sep 12, 2020 12:52
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COVID-420 posted:Just beat this and I love how gnarly they made Ellie's missing fingers look. She's not wearing a bandage or glove, she's just got these awful bloody red stumps. that really bothered me. like she’s traveled all the way back across the country at that point, and not only has she not bandaged up her gross wound but it’s still bleeding and raw? that’s not how bodies work.
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Sep 12, 2020 13:28
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Bust Rodd posted:LMAO the second to last thing Ellie does before “coming to Jesus” is hold a switchblade a sleeping child’s throat (literally the same child who saved her and her girlfriend and her son’s life 2 years ago) and force a woman who had been starved, beaten, and left for dead to fight her in mortal combat. she should’ve killed lev too. hammurabi’s law
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Sep 12, 2020 13:29
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Her stumps are not bleeding in the last scene wtf are you talking about? Amputated limbs and digits remain red and puffy at the separation point for years afterwards sometimes because your brain takes a really long time to process that you’re missing big chunks of your body.
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Sep 12, 2020 13:43
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It’s really very sad how many people get all  like “Abby happily threatened a PREGNANT woman, she’s the worst!!!” and completely miss everything about the scene. It’s not even subtle.
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Sep 13, 2020 01:22
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Kiranamos posted:It’s really very sad how many people get all Uh excuse you, were you not paying attention? Abby and Ellie sat down and compared notes about their experiences and everything that happened and despite that Abby still tried to murder her innocent girlfriend because her lust for blood cannot ever be sated.
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Sep 13, 2020 01:56
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If you are trying to figure out which one of them is “worse” you are, uh, missing the point a little bit.
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Sep 13, 2020 02:10
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When in a large battlegroup, why do my destroyer's Max Speed get cut in half, seemingly at random? *edit*  wrong thread
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Basticle posted:When in a large battlegroup, why do my destroyer's Max Speed get cut in half, seemingly at random? if you’re asking about your destroyer’s max speed you’re missing the point of the story
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Sep 14, 2020 14:23
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RareAcumen posted:This game not having a unambiguous villain like the Flood or the White Walkers makes it so complicated. Closest things is the Rattlers but they felt more like an demon allegory for Abbey as the only one who came to find her to render judgment was none other than the person who's father she murdered
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Sep 22, 2020 17:33
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Slowly making my way through the game (like one day of story per week), and I gotta say, I'm having a lot of fun with the stealth/combat/scavenging.
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Sep 22, 2020 17:41
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There’s just something really satisfying about that central gameplay loop where you sneak around a bit, kill a dog or two, rip a woman’s throat out and go “ooh yeah, I found a quarter roll of duct tape!”
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Sep 23, 2020 04:37
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Killing virtual dogs is evil, you’re going straight to hell
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Sep 23, 2020 07:08
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Cool, i'll get to hang out with loads of dogs
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Sep 23, 2020 07:12
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I finally finished this last night. I liked the story a lot, it took me a while to warm up to Abby (and they lost most of the "good will" momentum when she shot Tommy in the head), but I liked the ending. In fairness they made me dislike Ellie when she refused to go find Tommy. The two things I didn't like were more gameplay oriented. The infected encounters, especially Abby's, seemed a slog. Abby's were bad because they were so loving dark (Mainly hotel and hospital). I guess I could have cranked up the brightness, but I found myself getting annoyed with them. The second (which is a holdover from the first game) is the limited ammo, both in how much you can carry and how much you can get off of the people you kill. I primarily play this game using stealth, and (brutally) stabbing someone unaware only to get one bullet from them is bs, especially since they never run out of ammo themselves.
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Oct 6, 2020 14:48
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I agree the hotel starts to drag but I loved the hospital, but going through it first knowing something was going to go down was great for me.
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Oct 6, 2020 16:11
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVQcZa4O01A&t=454s I don't have the patience for ultra longform stuff but this is a good video and I like this discussion. I've seen all of these criticisms ITT.
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Nov 7, 2020 00:28
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Bust Rodd posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVQcZa4O01A&t=454s I'm really confused by his point equating Joel's "change of mind" at the end of TLOU and Ellie's at the end of 2. They have nothing in common. Joel doesn't change his mind at the end of TLOU, he makes a decision when presented with the consequences of Ellie's earlier choice to keep looking for the fireflies. The whole point of it is he goes against her wish. There's nothing at the end of TLOU2 justifying Ellie's change of heart besides a convenient flashback.
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Nov 8, 2020 20:38
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Sassy Sasquatch posted:I'm really confused by his point equating Joel's "change of mind" at the end of TLOU and Ellie's at the end of 2. They have nothing in common. Joel doesn't change his mind at the end of TLOU, he makes a decision when presented with the consequences of Ellie's earlier choice to keep looking for the fireflies. The whole point of it is he goes against her wish. There's nothing at the end of TLOU2 justifying Ellie's change of heart besides a convenient flashback. The point is that both games present narratives about traveling for a long time through harsh circumstances in order to accomplish a certain goal only to end up not accomplishing that goal at all, leaving the characters to wallow in the fallout of ambiguous emotional quagmires...and maybe faint hopes of catharsis.
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Ok thanks for the clarification. I suppose in a purely narrative sense you can indeed draw some parallels between both endings but that's really not the way he frames or phrases it in the video. It's funny you cut the video at that timestamp though Bust, because the previous comment about the game being a bit repetitive was mine and I do indeed like Up. (and it's zombie themed version with less giant birds and more cannibal rapists  ) I liked how grounded the first story was and even though it was not groundbreaking, it was well executed. Its punches landed when it mattered.A lot of the video is just him stomping on illiterate homophobes and nerds with anger management issues so eh... not sure it adds much to the discussion here. His point about the ending is pretty telling, he admits it doesn't really work thematically but that he still prefers it as it is because 2020 is a bleak enough year. And I mean yeah that's definitely true but then if your game feels so bleak, harrowing and pointless... make something else? Nobody held Druckmann at gunpoint to write this. He said himself he didn't want to initially and questioned his ability to craft an interesting story out of this sequel. Hell, the whole studio rightfully questioned the ultra violent direction they were taking with this. To me it mostly fails at recapturing what I enjoyed in the first game but if there's an audience for what it does then more power to them. I just have no interest in whatever comes next. Btw since there's a non spoiler thread, I don't know if it's still worth having two threads open given this one was more dedicated to the leaks and is mostly dead now.
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bobjr posted:I agree the hotel starts to drag but I loved the hospital, but going through it first knowing something was going to go down was great for me. When the boss fight started I expected it to be a slog but I enjoyed every minute of it.
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Nov 9, 2020 16:27
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Sassy Sasquatch posted:
They're both pretty slow. I don't think there's a need to close any threads, they can just die naturally if they need to. I'll be keeping the other thread maintained for when Factions 2 surfaces, and if that brings in more discussion then so be it.
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My impression of this game has always been negative and that three changes would have gone a long way toward fixing it. Obviously I’m in the minority given the sales and acclaim, but gently caress it. 1) Omit the Abby playable sections entirely and the pacing improves tenfold. 2) Abby has to die at the end of the base game, period. Ellie choosing to spare her at the last moment is the kind of thing I’m sure Druckmann felt so goddamned clever for, but there’s no reason for it and is a complete betrayal of the character and her experiences. It’s the game’s equivalent of Batman and Superman deciding to call a truce because their mommies are both named Martha. 3) After 1+2 are met, you can release Abby’s campaign as standalone DLC similar to Uncharted. The pacing issues still get solved, and Druckmann can still jerk himself off all day long with the “omg I’m being so subversive and cHaLlEnGiNg YoUr ExPeCtAtIoNs” bullshit, even allowing for the possibility of an alternate ending where Abby gets the better of Ellie and drowns her.
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All of that sucks though, man.
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The Abby stuff is better than the Ellie stuff
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bloodysabbath posted:My impression of this game has always been negative and that three changes would have gone a long way toward fixing it. Obviously I’m in the minority given the sales and acclaim, but gently caress it. You have bad opinions.
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bloodysabbath posted:My impression of this game has always been negative and that three changes would have gone a long way toward fixing it. Obviously I’m in the minority given the sales and acclaim, but gently caress it. 
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Jul 7, 2021 14:54
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Yeah what if the game was just Ellie violently murdering everyone and then she finally murders the last person and then the credits roll. GOTY.
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oh boy if there's one guy whose 2lou opinions i wanted to hear it's bloodysabbath, SA's most famous woman-hater e: second-most famous. sorry pal, but you're no jon pop
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bloodysabbath posted:My impression of this game has always been negative and that three changes would have gone a long way toward fixing it. Obviously I’m in the minority given the sales and acclaim, but gently caress it. Impressive how you have written things that are all nearly perfectly, exactly wrong!
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Jul 7, 2021 16:50
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smoobles posted:Yeah what if the game was just Ellie violently murdering everyone and then she finally murders the last person and then the credits roll. GOTY. That's the hero's journey
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Jul 7, 2021 16:59
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I wish tlou2 was less about murdering people and more about finding a way to defeat the mushroom kingdom They had this really neat idea for a dystopian world and they kinda ignored it and went with a dozen revenge plots instead
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Jul 7, 2021 18:22
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I mean, one of the things I really like about the game in relation to other zombie media is that the zombies are not especially important to the narrative and are basically just a weird natural disaster
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smoobles posted:Yeah what if the game was just Ellie violently murdering everyone and then she finally murders the last person and then the credits roll. GOTY. Druckman reneged on the Genocide run at the last minute and I'm supposed to agree with and cheer on this decision. Cutscenes were a mistake, it all went downhill after Donkey Kong decided to be a movie and have things happen beyond your control of the characters.
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