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Neito posted:Sorry, I missed that one. Is there a way to summarize it that won't start the derail all over? Adam sometimes cuts corners while working and is a visible target. I've seen videos and read interviews with Jamie that lead me to believe he's at least as unsafe but he doesn't have a constantly updated YouTube channel so goons fawn over how much cooler and safer he is.
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Cat Hatter posted:The last thread had several pages of people arguing that no amount of drunk driving should result in someone losing their license. Still one of the most infuriating arguments these threads have ever generated. "But if the drunk driver who killed all those people loses their licence, they'd have to walk or something. How is that fair?"
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FogHelmut posted:The topic of conversation has nothing to do with it. You dont actually know what the topic is lol
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Slanderer posted:Literally no one is arguing this so who cares The last goddamn sentence of the post I quoted was talking about not being hosed up on the job, and people are continually making that point, because there is zero justification for pre employment drug screens as they currently exist, beyond the usual purpose of adding a hurdle. Weird how salaried positions in the same companies rarely require one but hourly does.
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iwentdoodie posted:The last goddamn sentence of the post I quoted was talking about not being hosed up on the job, and people are continually making that point, because there is zero justification for pre employment drug screens as they currently exist, beyond the usual purpose of adding a hurdle. You said quote:But you shouldn't be unhireable because in your off time you smoke weed. Again, no one is saying otherwise so who cares
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Slanderer posted:Again, no one is saying otherwise so who cares Anyone arguing in favor of pre-employment drug testing is making that argument implicitly.
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Son of Thunderbeast posted:Anyone arguing in favor of pre-employment drug testing is making that argument implicitly. who here is arguing in favor of it
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I think they just think it's immature to be mad about stuff so they shrug and call it a hurdle it's ok to get mad at bullshit
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Slanderer posted:who here is arguing in favor of it deported to canada, for one. Personally I also group "people who make excuses for it" under that umbrella but understand that others might not draw that same line.
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Son of Thunderbeast posted:deported to canada, for one. Personally I also group "people who make excuses for it" under that umbrella but understand that others might not draw that same line. Where did they say that lol. It seemed like they stated their position pretty succinctly deported to Canada posted:I guess my badly made point is that if you want to take drugs recreational then carry on, but if you do a job where you could easily harm others by an act or omission then maybe don't be off your tits while doing it.
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I'm certain the consensus is drug testing in limited capacity when specifically relevant and practical.
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Further any other discussion is inevitably going to be justification of existing weird dumb systems and/or opposition to existing weird dumb systems.
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Also btw I've been drug tested a bunch, most recently was to do my job that I'm already doing and also to receive medication that I was already taking for almost two decades. loving work and my specialist doctor both think I need to justify myself. It's embarrassing.
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This whole discussion is dumb because it's Memento's company (company in their story?) 's fault. Why would you just not start with the useless drug test if you're going to give one? It's on them for training someone for a week without bothering to ask for a drug test, which will not give you any info actually relevant to job performance.
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HarmB posted:This whole discussion is dumb because it's Memento's company (company in their story?) 's fault. Why would you just not start with the useless drug test if you're going to give one? The drug testing is a red herring, is the key thing. It could have been "employee X was hired for a job as a driver, given training for a week and then quit because they didn't have a drivers license". Yes its the company's "fault" for getting suckered, but also they're obviously gonna tell everyone not to hire the guy that scammed them lol
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I'm sorry for participating in a derail. I promise to try harder in future. Smoke weed and get drug tested everyday! 
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HarmB posted:This whole discussion is dumb because it's Memento's company (company in their story?) 's fault. Why would you just not start with the useless drug test if you're going to give one? Lol yeah that's a good point because here in AU usually drug test for pre-employment is done as part of fit-for-work medical which is the insurance hurdle. Memento works for some kinda cooked employer by the sound of it.
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Pile Of Garbage posted:Further any other discussion is inevitably going to be justification of existing weird dumb systems and/or opposition to existing weird dumb systems.
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I just carry around some piss in a cup every day I go into the office. It demonstrates proactiveness and honestly it's a little fun to show it off
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zedprime posted:Let's get straight to the raise the bridge part and instead propose new weird dumb systems. Let's replace drug tests with field sobriety tests where you have a baseline conversation like blade runner, then play Tetris for 5 minutes. AIs exist to monitor the results for insober deviations, why not done? If you can recite the lyrics of "World's Fuckedest oval office" by Frenzal Rhomb then you're off the hook: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLVhL-Ai2Bo
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Pissed Ape Sexist posted:if you can't get your poo poo together enough to pass a trivial thing you know is coming Slanderer posted:the guy that scammed them lol deported to Canada posted:Smoke weed and get drug tested everyday! y'all make James Dean look like Steve Urkel
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deported to Canada posted:
More like know your goddamn tolerance and go for the high score! I used to work in a small warehouse, where I was the only forklift operator. Small as in, 4 full time employees in the entire warehouse. Company didn't drug test either. I'd have an edible for breakfast and spend my entire morning driving that drat forklift around. Ate another at lunch (or used a dab pen) and went about doing all my shipping. Not those bullshit 10mg edibles either, I made banana bread at home that would frequently be 200mg+ per slice. Two years of that job, no accidents, no falls, only hosed up pallets when ordered to force something in or out. Then I went to work on a weed farm and just loving lol at OSHA anything actually being reported at a weed farm. Pissed Ape Sexist posted:I just carry around some piss in a cup every day I go into the office. It demonstrates proactiveness and honestly it's a little fun to show it off Synthetics come in a 2-3oz flask style container, so you can strap them inside your thigh with an ACE bandage with a little hand warmer heat pack and never be noticed. I've been smoking regularly for 15 years, I don't get giggles and munchies anymore. It's like the gbs thread says, a weed vape is an inhaler for dealing with bullshit.
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Another proposal: drug testing is still allowed but HR needs to keep all the piss "just in case" for auditing. Any compromise of the piss archive renders the program void.
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As a specialist in a shipyard I don't want a suspended load dropped onto me when I'm up on some jack-up rig.
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zedprime posted:Another proposal: drug testing is still allowed but HR needs to keep all the piss "just in case" for auditing. Any compromise of the piss archive renders the program void. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-TB-qTaXSM
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While this derail is happening I just want to pop in and say one of my old bosses used to tell any company that rang him up for a reference that that employee smoked crack on the job and stole from him. Also I gave full notice at exactly the right time to either gently caress him out of a family holiday or shut down his business for 4 out of 7 days.
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I embrace police departments that don't drug testing as a condition of employment.
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I tried to get a job with BMW about ten years ago and after two weeks of acing technical interviews they told me I was going to have to do a hair test. I smoke weed in the evenings so I tried all the fancy shampoos and washing your hair with apple cider vinegar but ultimately was told weeks later after taking the test that they were not going to hire me. They didn't specifically tell me that it was a hit for weed though because in California having a medical marijuana card was protected from hiring for non government jobs. This was before recreational weed was legal. Either way I'm now blacklisted for working at BMW which sucks since I'm a BMW specialist. I hope federal legalization in the US happens so this kind of poo poo stops. It's ridiculous to be denied work for using a legal recreational substance in your free time. There also needs to be a better testing method that can differentiate between a person with THC in their system and a person who is actively intoxicated.
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Loving the bad faith posters defending pre-employment drug tests. Nothing to say to these people except go gently caress yourselves
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How do you know you can't work at BMW and reapply James woods?
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James Woods posted:I tried to get a job with BMW about ten years ago and after two weeks of acing technical interviews they told me I was going to have to do a hair test. I smoke weed in the evenings so I tried all the fancy shampoos and washing your hair with apple cider vinegar but ultimately was told weeks later after taking the test that they were not going to hire me. They didn't specifically tell me that it was a hit for weed though because in California having a medical marijuana card was protected from hiring for non government jobs. This was before recreational weed was legal. Either way I'm now blacklisted for working at BMW which sucks since I'm a BMW specialist. I hope federal legalization in the US happens so this kind of poo poo stops. It's ridiculous to be denied work for using a legal recreational substance in your free time. There also needs to be a better testing method that can differentiate between a person with THC in their system and a person who is actively intoxicated. 
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LookieLoo posted:While this derail is happening I just want to pop in and say one of my old bosses used to tell any company that rang him up for a reference that that employee smoked crack on the job and stole from him. Why should we believe you? He told me that you used to smoke crack on the job and that you stole from him.
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I do think Staplerfahrer Klaus could have done with a lot more crack-smoking montages.
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Jokerpilled Drudge posted:Loving the bad faith posters defending pre-employment drug tests. Do you not understand what ”bad faith" means or do you find it impossible that someone would have a different opinion from you?
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KoRMaK posted:How do you know you can't work at BMW and reapply James woods? One of the interviewers candidly told me as much before the test. Said they keep a database that's shared with corporate. I probably could have pushed it with the Department of Labor but wound up getting a job with an independent shop and said gently caress it.
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drug test OSHA thread posters IMO no drugs, no post https://i.imgur.com/mUzZUtI.mp4 And the tank asked the SUV "why did you tip us? now we'll both sink" and the SUV said "it's in my nature"
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zedprime posted:Another proposal: drug testing is still allowed but HR needs to keep all the piss "just in case" for auditing. Any compromise of the piss archive renders the program void. The burning of the library of Pissandria was a tragedy still being felt today.
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https://va.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_qvvusedSYo1r0uzl6.mp4 https://va.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_qvnmuuSX3e1r0uzl6.mp4
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Powershift posted:
Quality caption. I would also like to point out the lesser sin of using winches for tie-downs.
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