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kater posted:People didn’t like Franxx? infamously
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kater posted:People didn’t like Franxx?
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Jul 7, 2021 20:10
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The Colonel posted:i dont see the need to blame someone else when the director said outright in interviews that he never wrote sci-fi before and had no real plans or themes in mind Blaming the lead writer for the writing seems like the obvious division of responsibility, though? An inexperienced director will certainly not help a show's writing, but FranXX didn't exactly seem like it had a good script that was poorly used.
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Jul 7, 2021 20:12
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kater posted:People didn’t like Franxx? i actively disliked franxx
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Jul 7, 2021 20:14
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Darth Walrus posted:Blaming the lead writer for the writing seems like the obvious division of responsibility, though? An inexperienced director will certainly not help a show's writing, but FranXX didn't exactly seem like it had a good script that was poorly used.
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Jul 7, 2021 20:20
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Franxx was fantastic for like two thirds of its run, right up until they reveal all the bizarre backstory horseshit and suddenly the true villains were aliens or something. You can watch up to episode 18 and have a great time. Just stop right there. It's actually very similar to Wonder Egg in that it's mostly a really good show with a human story and strong characters that suddenly shits out a half-baked sci-fi plot in the last few episodes. A lot of people got immediately weirded out by the blatant sex metaphors but the show ended up being pretty tame. 02 was a stand out character. Nephthys fucked around with this message at 20:30 on Jul 7, 2021 |
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Jul 7, 2021 20:24
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02 was great but all the guys besides the uhh one guy who ditched that one time were boring boring, and ichigo got like one focus moment then vanished from the show which is a shame cause she was cool
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Jul 7, 2021 20:30
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Darth Walrus posted:Blaming the lead writer for the writing seems like the obvious division of responsibility, though? An inexperienced director will certainly not help a show's writing, but FranXX didn't exactly seem like it had a good script that was poorly used. If the voice acting is bad, you blame the voice direction not the actors. A director is going to be somewhat involved with the show script. These elements aren't going to be created in a vacuum and then dropped off on the directors desk.
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Jul 7, 2021 20:31
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Endorph posted:you try writing a 26-episode show by the seat of your pants with no clear direction, though I don't think the problems with FranXX were die to a lack of direction causing it to lose its way, though. It seemed to me like its problems were there from day one, and were baked into its premise - it was always weird paleocon bullshit, and the extent of that weird paleocon bullshit simply became more and more apparent as the series progressed. The lack of competent, experienced direction just meant that there was nobody who could adequately elevate such a fundamentally weak script. To put it another way, it definitely felt more like a Gundam Age than a Macross Delta (where you could actually see the writing staff running out of ideas halfway through).
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Jul 7, 2021 20:31
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Hey let's talk about what we want this show to be Bro I don't care, do whatever lol Uh...
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Jul 7, 2021 20:32
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okay i dont know what a paleocon is
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Jul 7, 2021 20:33
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Endorph posted:okay i dont know what a paleocon is
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Jul 7, 2021 20:35
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Grouchio posted:Paleoconservative? That doesn't seem right considering we're talkin a production studio.
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Jul 7, 2021 20:36
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Endorph posted:okay i dont know what a paleocon is Paleoconservative. Focused around rescuing ancient tradition from corruptive modernism. Big on gender essentialism. FranXX was about an evil dystopian conspiracy waging war on the environment and on traditional gender roles from day one, which is how we eventually ended up with androgynous queer-coded stormtroopers dragging off one of the show's secondary couples after they tried to hold a wedding as an act of resistance. The conspiracy turning out to be alien vampires felt less like a random shock twist, and more like the show doubling down on its pre-existing worldview in a deeply unfortunate way. Darth Walrus fucked around with this message at 20:46 on Jul 7, 2021 |
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Jul 7, 2021 20:39
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I remember when it was coming out pretty much everyone was joking that it was 'Oh god please have babies our population is shrinking!'- the show. I don't think it was that conservative, it did have a lesbian subplot that ended on a happy ending iirc. Didn't she end up banging the MC's ex girlfriend, lol?
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Jul 7, 2021 20:41
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Darth Walrus posted:I don't think the problems with FranXX were die to a lack of direction causing it to lose its way, though. It seemed to me like its problems were there from day one, and were baked into its premise - it was always weird paleocon bullshit, and the extent of that weird paleocon bullshit simply became more and more apparent as the series progressed. The lack of competent, experienced direction just meant that there was nobody who could adequately elevate such a fundamentally weak script. 
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Jul 7, 2021 20:44
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in the case of franxx the director literally has a series composition credit alongside the writer, so it's even more explicitly his story than the usual assumption you can make about originals. also Cloverworks is just a re-branded substudio of A-1 Pictures, not some brand new studio that appeared fully formed to ruin anime with franxx and wonder egg and neverland s2.
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Jul 7, 2021 20:46
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yeah like most studio hateons the cloverworks thing is based on parroting youtubers who dont know anything about this stuff lol then again people had a weird hate on for a-1 too even though they made a lot of great stuff
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Jul 7, 2021 20:47
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Endorph posted:yeah like most studio hateons the cloverworks thing is based on parroting youtubers who dont know anything about this stuff lol Isn't A-1 one of those studios that's too big and diverse in its output to really have an identity? Feels like learning that a show is done by them tells you far less about it than if it was made by, say, KyoAni.
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Jul 7, 2021 20:49
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That's the reason A-1 has a bunch of subdivisions yeah. Franxx was mostly made by ex-gainax people who are at a-1 now, it's why it was a collab with Trigger. So really the issue is with early 2000s Gainax, and we should all accept Pleiades as the best Gainax anime.
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Jul 7, 2021 20:55
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reject modern anime, embrace 00s anime
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Jul 7, 2021 20:56
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Davincie posted:reject modern anime, embrace 00s anime reject modern anime, embraced 2010s anime.
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Jul 7, 2021 20:58
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Endorph posted:reject modern anime, embraced 2010s anime.
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Jul 7, 2021 21:02
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I'd forgotten how good the animation is in Dragon Maid was, and the OP was fun.
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Jul 7, 2021 22:34
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Strange Quark posted:Hey let's talk about what we want this show to be tbf this is how flip flappers was made too. but honestly it seems like the staff of flip flappers still had way better communication and understanding between its staff than franxx or wonder egg lol, kiyotaka oshiyama's goal was just to make something with cool animation and he told the staff to decide on what they wanted to make of that, and they were like "let's make an action yuri magical girl anime" and he not only went along with it but like when ayana yuniko had to exit production midway through he asked her about how they should maintain the general tone and themes they'd set up earlier and how to write yuri in general. it feels like a lot of these shows that really fall apart, don't even take these kinds of steps.
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Endorph posted:we should all accept Pleiades as the best Gainax anime. the greatest truth said on this subforum
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Jul 7, 2021 23:36
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i watch pleiades after rayearth
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Jul 7, 2021 23:51
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The Colonel posted:tbf this is how flip flappers was made too. Fwiw - and I don't have the interview in front of me, though it's probably in the art book I've got somewhere around here - I seem to recall that Yuniko and Oshiyama had talked out at least the broad outline of the story well before she left, I don't think they were literally just making poo poo up and throwing it out there as they went the way something like Wonder Egg pretty clearly wound up doing.
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tbf i can believe nojima also came up with later wonder egg stuff in advance. i just can also believe that he and the director had very different ideas about what the story was supposed to be about given they both said exact opposite things about the weird gender stuff very early on lol
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Jul 8, 2021 00:07
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Moving to anime from this season, I tried to watch "The Detective is Already Dead". Emphasis on tried, because I gave up inside of ten minutes. I can definitely see what people mean when calling it "generic light novel". It has a similar style of banter to something like Rascal, but written worse, it's got an "organization", the "detective" aspects make Sherlock look grounded... It's just not very good, and the attempts at self-awareness just make it worse. ...I guess there's a reason all the talk about this season's anime is focusing on last season.
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Jul 8, 2021 00:18
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the drip of new shows is just too slow 😔
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Jul 8, 2021 00:19
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New Dragon Maid is good.
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Jul 8, 2021 00:52
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I just watched the new episode of Dragon Maid. Season 2 being good was a foolish dream and I am the greatest fool of them all for believing in it.
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Jul 8, 2021 01:40
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it's nice to have kyoani cartoons back
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Jul 8, 2021 01:40
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I Am Fowl posted:I just watched the new episode of Dragon Maid. Season 2 being good was a foolish dream and I am the greatest fool of them all for believing in it.
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Jul 8, 2021 02:02
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i don't think it's unreasonable for a person to consider "here's a new character who's going to misgender Kobayashi so aggressively that she forces an unwanted dick to sprout from Kobayashi's crotch to prove a point" a meaningful escalation in badness from what came before, personally
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Jul 8, 2021 02:08
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the first half of the ova literally revolved around kobayashi eating love potion chocolate that through a series of wacky accidents made her want to gently caress kanna
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Jul 8, 2021 02:19
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The Colonel posted:the first half of the ova literally revolved around kobayashi eating love potion chocolate that through a series of wacky accidents made her want to gently caress kanna it is possible for that joke to be bad, and for the same joke but plus an added side of mocking Kobayashi for not being traditionally feminine and also casually asserting that men are so inherently horny as to barely be capable of restraining themselves around children and some added implicit transphobia for fun to be worse, IMO Spiritus Nox fucked around with this message at 02:23 on Jul 8, 2021 |
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When the 'joke' is "wants to gently caress child" I don't think variations on that are like worse than each other.
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