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Cheesus posted:Different strokes, I guess, but most major businesses/services works around 8am - 5pm hours. And if you have kids, good luck finding schools and daycares not following similar hours. In my previous job I did the 6-2:30 schedule (half hour unpaid lunch) for four years, and have been doing 6-4 most of the pandemic in my current one (even if I'm just monitoring emails the second I hit eight hours). It was awesome because back then because I claimed bits of my weekend back by stopping places on the way home (bank, post office, liquor store, etc) and I could just meet my wife and/or friends out where they worked (an hour away) without having to rush around. The downside was that I was going to bed and waking up super early so I could walk the dog. If we hung out at a game night or dinner for too long I'd start nodding off a bit at my desk even after three cups of coffee. Eventually I started running before work as well, so I had to get up earlier still, but it kept my afternoon free (and meant I didn't have to deal with people in the gym or cars along my route). If you are just getting up and going to work it really is a good option. Especially if you have a short commute. I hosed it up by trying to jam a bunch of stuff in before I left.
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Outrail posted:7 on 7 off 13-14 hr shifts was kind of good for a while but in the end you're just a zombie. I did something like this for around 5 years when I first started working. This was in a group home for juvenile delinquents where they only had two daytime staff to cover the entire work week. I worked Saturday - Wednesday and the other guy Wednesday to Saturday. The work shifts were 6AM-10PM, and from 10PM-6AM you could sleep in the staff office but had to remain on-site and on-call from 10PM-6AM and you were not paid for those hours unless they woke you up (in retrospect probably insanely illegal). So a normal work week would have you on site for 84 hours straight (you got MAYBE 1-2 hour long breaks during the week). From 10PM-6AM there was a night watchman who was ostensibly keeping an eye on things, but in practice they were usually asleep by 11, maybe 12 if they were really good. They also weren't authorized to do any actual work with the kids and their only real job was to wake me up if something happened. This meant I got regularly woken up at 2AM because my kids decided to sneak out and rob the 7-11 or something. That wasn't too bad though because I was at least paid for the time worked in the middle of the night and since the "normal" work week was already 50-60 hours that meant everything else was at X2 pay. So a normal work week was already pretty grueling, but a handful of times I decided to cover for the guy working the opposite shift and work triple shifts for a week and half. Now that turned you into an absolutely feral animal. I would see other normal adults for only a handful of hours a week so by the end I was mostly indistinguishable from the clients in the way I spoke. ClothHat fucked around with this message at 21:31 on Jul 7, 2021 |
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Jul 7, 2021 21:27
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I just want to work 30-weeks. I don't care how they're arranged.
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Jul 7, 2021 21:31
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Fitzy Fitz posted:I just want to work 30-weeks. I don't care how they're arranged. 30-weeks or better pay for 40-weeks and I'm happy. Too bad the only things paying (or claiming) above subsistence are pure-commission sales bullshit or management where you have to already know someone on the inside to have a chance. Neither of which is actually an improvement nor something I can swing. God I wish I could have just gone into a trade and been set for a couple decades. Thanks, preemptively hosed up body, for ruining the only option for economic mobility here.
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Jul 7, 2021 22:20
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Ugly In The Morning posted:I have almost been terminated for attendance like three times this month despite not missing any work because our HR department is such a shitshow. Any time my schedule changes they completely gently caress up actually entering it in and the automatic tracking software thinks I haven’t gone to any of my shifts despite having 40+ hours a week in. How do you gently caress up this bad this consistently? Your HR might suck rear end but payroll and time software is a loving cesspool to setup and manage.
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Jul 7, 2021 22:46
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On the hours discussion, my first job was as a machinist, 5:30 am to 3pm. That styck with me and now I work 7:30 to 5, but I don't turn my computer on until 8 and I stop checking my mail at 4. gently caress salary-exempt, I work 40 and I'm done.
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Jul 7, 2021 23:42
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Crackbone posted:Your HR might suck rear end but payroll and time software is a loving cesspool to setup and manage. Sometimes intentionally. When I worked an hourly entry level hospital job the time clock was setup to round towards noon in 15 minute increments. So if you clocked in a 8:01 and clocked out a 4:59 you would get paid as if you worked from 8:15 to 4:45. Incredibly illegal of course.
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Jul 7, 2021 23:45
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Cheesus posted:Different strokes, I guess, but most major businesses/services works around 8am - 5pm hours. I'm still trying to figure out just when and how the standard 9-to-5 hours for an office job (ref: that Dolly Parton song) somehow got transmogrified into 8-to-5.
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Jul 7, 2021 23:50
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Pulcinella posted:Sometimes intentionally. When I worked an hourly entry level hospital job the time clock was setup to round towards noon in 15 minute increments. So if you clocked in a 8:01 and clocked out a 4:59 you would get paid as if you worked from 8:15 to 4:45. Lol it's like someone heard of 15m timecard rounding and then just completely hosed it up in a definitely illegal way. Where I work we round, but it's always to the nearest 15m and they cannot say poo poo if you "game" it. When they mentioned moving timecard systems there was a riot to make sure we still had this.
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Jul 7, 2021 23:51
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My work had another department buy the specialized software we use in my department. Instead of hiring the implementation specialist from the specialized software company that we use (100k or so), and taking the 3-6 month implementation guidelines, they gave me 2 days to do it. I don’t even work in IT but I lve used the software the longest. They are currently 9 months behind schedule. The guy helping me has a masters in engineering, he emails me asking him to call him for help, then is confused when I call him.
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Jul 8, 2021 03:42
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Crackbone posted:Your HR might suck rear end but payroll and time software is a loving cesspool to setup and manage. This. gently caress I hate dealing with payroll and I only have two employees. We're about to double that and I've already delegated trialling some software alternatives because my dogshit excel templates are absolute dogshit.
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Jul 8, 2021 06:18
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Work doesn’t have enough tech interviewers. Did they offer any incentives to encourage people to interview? Hell no, they just made it mandatory for senior devs to do interviews. Candidates will love the enthusiastic vibe this is sure to create 
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Jul 8, 2021 11:50
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I just got a company laptop from my new company. It works fine so far except the camera isn't enabled and the culture here is to be on video (which is fine with me). In order to enable it, an admin username/password is required. I pinged the guy who setup the laptop for me about this. He sent me his personal admin username and password. In Teams chat.
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Jul 8, 2021 18:54
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Tangentially related since I've seen a bunch of people on Linkedin who got fired/laid off try to put a nice spin on everything on their feed and gush about their former company. It always makes me cringe. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gE9bFLKvhK4
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Jul 8, 2021 19:32
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LinkedIn is becoming worse than Facebook. I swear people huff their own farts way more on there these days
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Jul 8, 2021 19:49
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Elephant Ambush posted:I just got a company laptop from my new company. It works fine so far except the camera isn't enabled and the culture here is to be on video (which is fine with me). The number of people who blindly send me semi-privileged usernames and passwords in clear text at the slightest provocation is depressing. Like, we'll sometimes want to replicate an issue locally, and it's like people have to be held back from sending me very important information.
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Jul 8, 2021 20:47
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vyst posted:LinkedIn is becoming worse than Facebook. I swear people huff their own farts way more on there these days it's real fuckin bad
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Elephant Ambush posted:I just got a company laptop from my new company. It works fine so far except the camera isn't enabled and the culture here is to be on video (which is fine with me). Hey, I just had almost exactly the same thing happen to me today. Infosec is a joke.
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Jul 8, 2021 21:09
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Y'all want to hear an infosec joke? My new company gives everyone the exact same windows log in password. No, you can't change it.
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Super Waffle posted:Y'all want to hear an infosec joke? My new company gives everyone the exact same windows log in password. No, you can't change it. Sounds like you need to have someone important tell the company that they're buying the first round this Friday at the local strip club.
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Jul 8, 2021 21:36
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Super Waffle posted:Y'all want to hear an infosec joke? My new company gives everyone the exact same windows log in password. No, you can't change it. Admin grade as well? Fun.
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Powered Descent posted:I'm still trying to figure out just when and how the standard 9-to-5 hours for an office job (ref: that Dolly Parton song) somehow got transmogrified into 8-to-5. idk about when, but the "how" was deciding everyone toally takes a one hour lunch break
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Good news everyone! Readers of The Wall Street Journal have ~~OpInIoNs~~ about remote work!Joel West, Claremont CA posted:The move by white-collar employers to create more balanced telecommuting policies is long overdue (“Remote Work Is the New Signing Bonus,” Exchange, June 26). I appreciate the desire to reduce time wasted commuting, but employers in industries such as software and biotechnology go fully remote at their peril if they emphasize real-estate savings or employee satisfaction over innovation and effectiveness. What happens to brainstorming when people aren’t in the same room? Or difficult cases of tech support, when you can’t wander down the hall to find the engineer? First, let me congratulate our capitalist overlords on a wishy-washy half-measure that only came about because they were proven wrong and the overwhelming majority of their workforce knows it. Now that that’s out of the way, oh god, what will I do if I can’t skip the queue and harass an engineer at their desk? Log into Slack like some socialist and harass them that way? I can’t even make them listen to me at forced happy hour events. M.G. DelRossi, Blue Bell PA posted:You risk losing control of your workforce with remote work. You don’t know what employees are working on or when or how. You also lose development and training opportunities for new employees to interface with experienced workers and, in the process, strain and weaken the culture and values of the company. Ultimately, productivity will decline. As a former vice president of human resources, I wouldn’t hire candidates who want to dictate their work schedules. It signals self-centeredness—people who over time would put their interests over others’ and the company’s. How will we justify the existence of management? How will we communicate our skills, trainings, and values other than institutional knowledge spoken from person to person like a three-piece suit rendition of Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra? How dare these puny employees have interests outside of the company? Don’t you know who I am? I am a FORMER VP of Human Resources, dammit, and I will not be silenced!
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quote:Or difficult cases of tech support, when you can’t wander down the hall to find the engineer? This sounds like an excellent argument FOR remote work.
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oh no productivity might decline ... how will workers continue to not reap the benefits of decades worth of productivity gains going straight to owners
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Powered Descent posted:I'm still trying to figure out just when and how the standard 9-to-5 hours for an office job (ref: that Dolly Parton song) somehow got transmogrified into 8-to-5. or 9am-6pm yeah. Paid lunch hours? Lol go gently caress yourselves! GIVE IT TO US, THE EXTRA 5 WEEKLY HOURS.
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Jul 9, 2021 17:15
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Blue Moonlight posted:
Every single part of what this absolute moron said is utterly wrong. Except that he is a dumbfuck former VP of cattle.
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Volmarias posted:This sounds like an excellent argument FOR remote work.
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Jul 9, 2021 17:23
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Any day now. Productivity will decline. After 18 months. Any day now. Just you wait.
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Jul 9, 2021 17:45
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Seriously, my productivity went way up while teleworking because i didn't have people walking up to me to read code documents out to them verbatim. It's nice to skip an hour of driving and three hours of lost time each day.
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Jul 9, 2021 17:56
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Blue Moonlight posted:Good news everyone! Readers of The Wall Street Journal have ~~OpInIoNs~~ about remote work! quote:You risk losing control of your workforce with remote work quote:You risk losing control of your workforce quote:losing control quote:control
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Frustration in his byline that says it all He's lost control And he's shouting at his twitter list He's lost control And he gave away the secrets of his biz And said "I've lost control again" And a veep that told him when and where to act He said "I've lost control again"
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Jul 9, 2021 18:38
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Now we gotta download a slack? What's that I can't do it? Let's just add another weekly meeting.
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I'm still convinced that for most bosses "slack sounds like slacker" is about as deep as most are willing to concider wfh.
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Son of Rodney posted:I'm still convinced that for most bosses "slack sounds like slacker" is about as deep as most are willing to concider wfh. That, or they have the experience I do where the biggest advocates for Slack and Teams are inevitably completely unreachable via either. Or any other method besides walking up to them. (Of course it's not the software's fault, it's the user, but it colors perceptions easily.)
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Jul 9, 2021 19:48
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slack is just e-mail 2 (another thing i have to turn off notifications for if i want to get any real work done)
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I think the argument that new employees will lose the ability to learn from their co-workers has some validity. There's a difference between being able to just lean over and ask questions vs having to call up and discuss over zoom. It's not a huge omg they're not going to learn anything, but I've noticed there's been less engagement during WFH in general. This applies more to younger new to workforce workers. On the other hand, I'm less likely to have people bugging me for help. which oh yeah is good for my own personal productivity. But overall I think the organization as a whole suffers somewhat from reduced capacity development and informal training.
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theres been plenty of times since remote work started where i was tempted to take the "easy way out" and bug a coworker with a question i know they could answer quickly but hesitating because i didnt want to go full on slack message or zoom which would surely interrupt them more than it's worth. in most cases i figured it out by myself in a reasonable amount of time instead and saved anything i couldnt for a scheduled sync up. this is probably better for both me and my coworkers in the long run.
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thathonkey posted:theres been plenty of times since remote work started where i was tempted to take the "easy way out" and bug a coworker with a question i know they could answer quickly but hesitating because i didnt want to go full on slack message or zoom which would surely interrupt them more than it's worth. in most cases i figured it out by myself in a reasonable amount of time instead and saved anything i couldnt for a scheduled sync up. this is probably better for both me and my coworkers in the long run. That's fair. I'm more talking about the sort of situation when you're in the vicinity of a less experienced coworker and see them doing something that isn't quite right so you take 5 minutes to correct them. It's industry dependant but in the past, I've been saved from making dumb mistakes.
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From all the work propaganda news articles I've been getting lately it seems "no one wants to work anymore", "people want to work from home", "people are quitting jobs to work at businesses who offer work from home", the solution seems to be offer WFH. Really funny that so many economics websites and marketing companies are churning out articles saying that WFH is a mistake and will cause your business to be destroyed, when all evidence is to the contrary. It's nearly all OPINION articles clamoring for a back to the norm.
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