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I love that the man who can't commit to admit whether or not Grizzy Smith was a pedophile has not problem lobbing those accusations at Kenny Omega.
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I wonder how many crimes Cornette has admitted to or implicated others in that ended up on the cutting room floor.
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On his "Review" of the DSotR episode, he's started it angry at people on Twitter accusing the wrestlers of covering for him/ knowing more than they are letting on. Likened it to Jeffrey Dahmer's co-workers at the Candy Factory of covering for him because they didn't know he was going home eating people after work. Except he's been telling "Grizz stories" solidly for years, so obviously knew him better than to wave hello to on the way to the breakroom. He's also not mentioned the fact that Jake told the story of being the product of his father assaulting and impregnating his 12 year old Stepdaughter, and Robin has told of being a victim of her father for years too (I'm trying not to use upsetting language, but you know what I'm calling him here). So even if he was as oblivious as he claims, then he's known at least for 20 years that he was a child abuser and has still continued to speak highly of him until this day. Lastly, he hasn't explained how he can gingerly skirt around a known paedophile maybe being a bad person on DSotR, but can (as posted above) accuse Kenny Omega of similar disgusting things or that he will GLADLY and vehemently hope for Orange Cassidy, Ethan Page and The Young Bucks to get maimed for not doing wrestling the way he wants it done. That's Outrageous in itself. Just gross.
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the dork who can remember the house for every baltimore show in 1978 and has entire libraries of notes for the stuff he cant remember, couldnt possibly notice or remember or document this horrific hosed up poo poo, nah he do not recall gently caress you, jim
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Unless Dahmer's coworkers were cracking jokes about him having people over his apartment for "dinner" or something that's a pretty poo poo comparison. Cornette is trash as always.
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KarloffsSidekick posted:On his "Review" of the DSotR episode, he's started it angry at people on Twitter accusing the wrestlers of covering for him/ knowing more than they are letting on. Likened it to Jeffrey Dahmer's co-workers at the Candy Factory of covering for him because they didn't know he was going home eating people after work. Except he's been telling "Grizz stories" solidly for years, so obviously knew him better than to wave hello to on the way to the breakroom. (As an aside: If you ever need to touch a poop on YouTube while logged in, just giving it a thumbs down seems to keep it from messing up your recommendations.) Also: * There's a conversation to be had about how much of the unspoken subtext in the segment was seemingly rooted in how many of the "arena rats" (as he put it) were underage. (Post-pubescent, but underage—not that I'm defending it, but it felt like that was the distinction being made). How that's why he (and maybe others) assumed that the jokes about Grizzly being a nonce were about part of his job literally being getting to know all of the groupies so he could get information from them. * Again, not to defend Jim or anyone else who it seems should have realized what was up, but we do need to be realistic about the fact that the grooming process is also about normalizing odd behavior to people who Grizzly/a given predator *wasn't* victimizing. Is Jim saying what he's saying in light of what he admitted being privy to a bit ridiculous? Yes. But are there real reasons why people disregarded what we see now as obvious red flags? Yes, because Grizzly was a ridiculously calculating predator who would try to make his victims complicit in his abuse of other children as the victims in his family (based on the Dark Side episode, Robin and her mom) got older and surely did all sorts of calculating poo poo to groom bystanders as well. And though Grizzly clearly liked having Bob Sweetan around as his child rapist buddy, it doesn't really feel like Grizzly wasn't going around telling people "I WOULD LIKE TO gently caress THAT CHILD OVER THERE!" like Sweetan was. But the fact that Sweetan, per Jim Ross's first book, was doing stuff like that and clearly a favorite of Grizzly's...that should have given more context to Grizzly's "odd" behavior, so...yeah.
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based on how pedophiles act at all times in situations where they are caught and the story gets out, their process seems to be about hiding things and being as secretive as humanly possible and that's because other adults immediately know what's up when a big middle-aged man is waving kids that bystanders know are complete strangers into his car, etc. cornette wasn't manipulated into believing otherwise. grizzly simply knew his spots, his boys, his hangouts, his territory, due to his fame and so on. If you really must disagree then it should be an injustice that you ignore this time
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There was that feud that he and Kenny Bolin had years ago where they were saying all kinds of things about each other and when they finally had their "debate", I clearly remember Cornette saying to Bolin "You're a Grizzly Smith!" after some talk about young girls. If he wasn't aware about it when it was going on, he definitely was about 10 years ago.
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don't read my post above. it's too rude. simply look at this 
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One of the best ways I heard it put was that abusers don't just groom children. They groom everyone around the child.
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I would give almost anyone else the benefit of the doubt. Jim has not earned that.
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Hoss Corncave posted:There was that feud that he and Kenny Bolin had years ago where they were saying all kinds of things about each other and when they finally had their "debate", I clearly remember Cornette saying to Bolin "You're a Grizzly Smith!" after some talk about young girls. If he wasn't aware about it when it was going on, he definitely was about 10 years ago. Kenny Bolin also produced Jim Cornette's illegitimate biracial child at one point. There were a lot of telling things in those exchanges.
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from what cornette described and from what's in that vice episode it sounds like a ton of people should have known better in retrospect. baby doll talks about being in the car with him and underage girls whose parents actually trusted grizzly. it is kind of like jimmy saville in that there were rumors and evidence all around people and everyone was like nah, not jimmy - although in his case it was way more egregious when you consider everything that came to light.
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Vince MechMahon posted:I would give almost anyone else the benefit of the doubt. Jim has not earned that. Mulaney Power Move posted:from what cornette described and from what's in that vice episode it sounds like a ton of people should have known better in retrospect. baby doll talks about being in the car with him and underage girls whose parents actually trusted grizzly. I'll add this from one of my comments in the Reddit thread about the DSotR episode: The unfortunate reality of child sexual abuse in that era is that there was a dangerous mix of people either being blissfully unaware that it wasn't self-evident to everyone that it was a bad thing or being way, way too OK with it. And not even necessarily in a sinister way with the latter: It's only in the last 40 years or so that the mental health profession recognizes that children can be traumatized. It was long assumed that they just...didn't retain trauma and bad stuff just rolled off them. (I'm not kidding. The child abuse episode of You're Wrong About does an excellent job of going over this.) And since so many people just ignored the idea that people were capable of such committing such horrific acts on children—whether their own kids or not—there were years of grey area with regards to how the law viewed child sexual abuse material. (CSAM has become the preferred term to "child pornography" for reasons that should be obvious.) It sounds like a ridiculous comparison on the surface, but the closest analogue I can think of is how Trump quickly exposed that a ton of stuff that everyone thought curbed abuse of the office of the presidency, like the Emoluments Clause of the Constitution, was effectively unenforceable ceremonial nonsense that existed mainly as a norm and nothing more. Nobody considered that a time would come where we needed to make Trump-level self-dealing as President more overtly criminal. Just like nobody considered that you would need to make sexual contact with children—or photographing/filming it—overtly criminal. When Jim Cornette and Jerry Grey went to Mid-South a few months apart at the end of 1983 into very early 1984, the Protection of Children Against Sexual Exploitation Act of 1977 was just a few years old. The SCOTUS ruling in New York v. Ferber, which established that CSAM was illegal even if it didn't fail the Miller Test for obscenity, was less than 2 years old. The Child Protection Act of 1984, which broadened the definition of "child pornography" under federal law and made it so that nonprofit distribution was explicitly illegal, would be passed in May of that year, while Jim and Jerry were in Mid-South with Grizzly. As insane as it sounds, even the most ridiculously loving obvious ways of dealing with child molesters were just...not really standard yet. Hell, think about how much Very Online people—and to a lesser extent, the general public, have learned about sexual violence in the last 5 years alone. There were numerous mainstream news stories about how to stop the burgeoning scourge of "child pornography"—this was when it was disturbingly easy to find at adult bookstores and some even advertised that they carried "kiddie porn"—DEEP into the 1970s. And a non-trivial amount of them had sections that "bothsides"ed the issue. Yeah. It's all deeply lovely and horrifying, but it needs to be understood how ridiculously naive the vast majority of Americans used to be about child abuse in general, even as recently as Gen X-ers were coming of age. Even if more so for general context about the topic. Cornette shared enough that his pleas do sound ridiculous, even if there was probably was a legit state of denial on his part when he was around Grizzly regularly. But they'd sound a lot more ridiculous if he was describing the same things but shifted a decade later into 1994 and somewhat less ridiculous if he was describing the same things shifted a decade earlier into 1974.
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i think cornette was trying to explain how grizzly got away with it and he wasn't trying to feign ignorance but a twitter scoopsman or whatever that guy is took two quotes out of context because he knows people love to hate cornette (which is his own fault) and would never listen to the whole 45 minute clip anyway.
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I watched the show and Cornette seems to go out of his way to not admit to having explicitly known. He may or may not have, but he for sure wants people to think he didn't.
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Cornette spent the most time around Grizzly in Mid South, where Corny was constantly on the road being worked to death by Bill Watts and dealing with crazy fans. It's possible that he may have been too exhausted to put two and two together. That complicates his tendency to forgive/overlook the hosed up antisocial behavior of old school wrestlers unless he personally dislikes them, though.
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wasn't Cornette's run in Mid-South extremely brief. Like 5-6 months?
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coconono posted:wasn't Cornette's run in Mid-South extremely brief. Like 5-6 months? I thought it was closer to a year, but driving around that territory all the time with no days off wrecked people. Ted Dibiase had stress-induced hair loss by the end of his run there. Abusers like Grizzly probably took full advantage of insane territory booking schedules because they kept everyone else too busy to notice what was going on.
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CombineThresher posted:Cornette spent the most time around Grizzly in Mid South, where Corny was constantly on the road being worked to death by Bill Watts and dealing with crazy fans. It's possible that he may have been too exhausted to put two and two together. That complicates his tendency to forgive/overlook the hosed up antisocial behavior of old school wrestlers unless he personally dislikes them, though. JR noticed it enough that he talks about it in his book.
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MassRafTer posted:JR noticed it enough that he talks about it in his book. I haven't read his book, but that's interesting. More evidence that Corny's just being shady, then.
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Corny butters his bread on the nostalgia of the good ol days doing the loop with the good ol boys in the back, and it's in his best interest to downplay anything that disrupts that narrative. That's why he always walks that line on the show when talking about stuff from that era. He did it with moolah, he did it here. He's a grifter. Never forget that.
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He is the epitome of “times were different” and there’s no reason to give him the benefit of the doubt about a drat thing. Dude’s a piece of poo poo through and through.
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Cornette's def covering for people. I think the FBI should go through their missing persons cases and see if his well-documented travel schedule lines up. or just have some MDK leg breakers show up at his house.
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Old white man overlooks racial/sexual/societal injustices in his history in favor of waxing nostalgic about his favorite parts, while claiming that modern life is far inferior to barely remembered glory days I feel like that statement applies to way too much stuff in 2021
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https://twitter.com/TheJimCornette/status/1413589654318813186?s=20
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Nice job of still getting a dig in at the Bucks there. Can't even disavow this dude without doing that.
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do you suppose that guy will have a grudge against jim cornette now
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Cavauro posted:do you suppose that guy will have a grudge against jim cornette now It can either go one of two ways: 1. He keeps simping for Jim cause "he had to say that but really thinks I'm cool." Or 2. He transfers all his anger to Jim for being sold out by him.
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I don't think he was trying to own the Young Bucks in that tweet, he's saying someone as weak as he is still could have beat the poo poo out of a mark jumping the rails. Which might not be far from the truth since he got dragged by Justin Roberts and there's other fans in history that got kicked out by referees.
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NVM there's the answer
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It's gonna be really funny and/or sad to check in on this guy in like three months when no one remembers him.
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Yeah he's saying regardless of what you think, Matt and Nick would've beaten you senseless.Vince MechMahon posted:It's gonna be really funny and/or sad to check in on this guy in like three months when no one remembers him. I really hope that's the case because I have a super bad feeling he's gonna wanna keep getting the attention.
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he's going to prison for a little while the next time he does anything. don't worry too much my bubby
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Jul 9, 2021 21:48
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"The ring is sacred ground for US," he says. Didn't this dipshit book some goobers in Ninja Turtles costumes? And wrestle them?
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edogawa rando posted:"The ring is sacred ground for US," he says.
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I only have to see Scott Hall or Macho put the boots to someone trying to invade the ring once to know that's a stupid idea from more than a legal angle.
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Jul 9, 2021 23:43
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Imagine getting radicalized by Jim Cornette into rushing a stage hoping he notices you
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Notice me, sir
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Unperson_47 posted:Imagine getting radicalized by Jim Cornette into rushing a stage hoping he notices you Jim Cornette wants so badly to be Trump but his followers couldn't even breach the sacred ground of the AEW ring while the Q Anon Shaman was able to run the US Capitol.
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