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# ? Jul 10, 2021 16:22 |
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# ? May 28, 2024 11:41 |
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What is "body critical pacifism"
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# ? Jul 10, 2021 18:35 |
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Fuschia tude posted:What is "body critical pacifism" Anti-war with a side of exploring the relationship between the body and the self? Eg: pre-transition trans people, POC who pass as white, retaining a human consciousness while in the body of an animal; anyone whose lived experience is at odds with their physical bodies. Quickbreath, correct me if I’m wrong please, but that’s my reading. E: And saaaaame, (almost) every time I revisit a favorite from my childhood I’m like “huh, so I always loved gay pinko narratives!” Bibliotechno Music fucked around with this message at 01:28 on Jul 11, 2021 |
# ? Jul 11, 2021 01:20 |
So I just caught up on six months' worth of thread backlog, basically from meeting the Chee to the Leeran planet to the David arc to the HB Chronicles to....whatever the hell is going on now. Boy howdy what a ride.
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# ? Jul 11, 2021 02:56 |
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I always love imagining them, if the war has a positive ending and not mass death and enslavement, writing their voluminous memoirs. Volume XXVIII: The Second Time We Travelled Through Time, Part Six
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# ? Jul 11, 2021 03:32 |
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Chapter 27quote:O Most High and Tremendous! A calamity has befallen us! Our own ship has now been captured! But we fear nothing! We are the boldest of the bold, the bravest of the brave! Nothing will stop us as we take control of this vast expanse of huge blue fur, and from that base, launch again our plan to conquer the universe! I feel kind of bad for Visser Three. This should be a climactic battle for him where he and the Controllers finally destroy the Andalite bandits, but instead, it's like, what's the point. Also, I'm sorry we didn't see more the Animorphs/Yeerk teamup against the Helmacrons, because they are extremely annoying. Chapter 28 quote:I ran. They followed. We left the Yeerks to face the Helmacrons, who, naturally, were yammering happily about us. <Fleeing like quivering cowards before the very flower of Helmacron might!> Helmacroneater, I think she means.
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# ? Jul 11, 2021 04:41 |
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freebooter posted:I always love imagining them, if the war has a positive ending and not mass death and enslavement, writing their voluminous memoirs. Chapter 8:"Yeah that's right, we genocided an entire race so humanity would survive"
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# ? Jul 11, 2021 04:42 |
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"The Time That God Changed History So I Would Grow Up An Abused Orphan" by Tobias X.
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# ? Jul 11, 2021 05:11 |
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Imagine if Visser Three was killed during this. Imagine the beautifully miserable anticlimax we could have had.
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# ? Jul 11, 2021 21:40 |
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The anteater morph is what I meant by this being one of those books where KA thought of the weird animal and then built the book around it. Which is an observation more than a criticism, because the results are outlandishly fun and good. And it works for more serious-minded books as well, like with the giant squid. Though also it often doesn't work... starfish... cheetah...Epicurius posted:<Morph to birds!> Tobias shouted as he flapped his wings and went airborne. Oh, that's your solution to everything.
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# ? Jul 11, 2021 23:42 |
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Chapter 29quote:“Let’s give it a try,” Jake said. “Let’s get big!” It's a good old fashioned Andalite standoff. Also, the idea that Helmacrons have individual minds and thoughts but a common transferrable consciousness raises a bunch of questions I don't even know how to enunciate. Chapter 30 quote:We worked out a deal. And, with Jake and Cassie having a beach date (assuming Cassie isn't grounded), Marco's plans to populate the earth with a race of tiny people unnecessary, and the Helmacrons trying to figure out gender equality, we end our amazing Helmacron adventure, and will start tomorrow with a Marco book called The Extreme. However, that being said, please see the next post about the future of the Animorphs series.
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# ? Jul 12, 2021 03:13 |
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So, this was discussed a little bit in the beginning of the thread, but I wanted to go into a little more detail. Up to the book we just finished, Katherine Applegate and her husband Michael Grant had been writing all the Animorphs books themselves. These books came out as part of the Scholastic book club about once a month, which meant they were pretty constantly working on them. It's not like these are long novels, but still. So, this last book came out in November 1998, and Scholastic wanted them to work on a new fantasy series for teenagers called Everworld, about this group of teenagers sucked into an alternate world where they had to fight the god Loki and other villains who were trying to take it over.. So this was going to take up a bunch of their time. In addition, they had had a child the year before, and, as I understand it, there was also illness in her extended family. So for these reasons and whatever else, they decided that they didn't have the time to continue Animorphs the way they had been. They decided that to continue the series, they needed ghostwriters. Now one of the good things about having a contract with a children's book publisher like Scholastic is that it's fairly easy to get access to writers of other children's books, and they got ghostwriters. As I understand it, the way the ghostwriter process worked is that Applegate would send the ghostwriter a plot outline, the ghostwriter would write a draft and send it back to Applegate, who then would make edits and rewrites where necessary, then send it to Scholastic. Applegate meanwhile didn't stop writing books in the series herself. We have two more Megamorph books, which she wrote, and two more Chronicles books, which she wrote. She also wrote the last two books in the series, and a few others. Most of what we read going forward is written by ghostwriters, who generally got no credit at the time. The book covers still said "Applegate". I personally don't think that's fair to the ghostwriters, so going forward, when we start a new book, I'm going to let you know who wrote it. When we meet a new ghostwriter, I'm also going to do my best to let you know something about him or her, although for a few of them, its not easy to find info. One last thing. Some people have said that this is when the series started getting bad. I personally don't think that's fair, even though I recognize that some of the books are kind of bad. Some, though, I think, are very good and some are the better books of the series. So, for those of you who stopped reading around now when you were kids, I advise you to stick it out. Maybe you'll find some hidden gems in here you didn't see when you were 10. For those who are new to the series, the ride continues, and we'll keep doing this as long as there are books.
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# ? Jul 12, 2021 03:38 |
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Thanks for the info and for doing this in general Epicurius, it has been great. I wonder why the size difference doesn’t work the opposite way and the Animorphs don’t have 50-ft anteaters in their repertoire now.
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# ? Jul 12, 2021 03:50 |
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ANOTHER SCORCHER posted:Thanks for the info and for doing this in general Epicurius, it has been great. Space Magic. Giant anteaters would own, though.
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# ? Jul 12, 2021 03:57 |
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WrightOfWay posted:Space Magic. Giant anteaters would own, though. Can you imagine Visser Three as a giant anteater?
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# ? Jul 12, 2021 03:58 |
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This book is much funner than it gets credit for. I enjoyed it. Also looking forward to hearing particulars of ghost writers, I do not know anything about any of them. I wanted to share the inner cover for this book which spoils the end, but also shows us what the helmacrons look like. Also was this the day? Did anyone see a blue deer threatening an anteater?
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# ? Jul 12, 2021 04:08 |
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ANOTHER SCORCHER posted:Thanks for the info and for doing this in general Epicurius, it has been great. Seconded, this has been and continues to be a really fun and pleasant trip down memory lane. Re: ghostwriters, when I was a kid I never noticed. Re-reading them when I was 19, I did notice... but maybe only because I knew by then? You just notice a bit less sparkle in the dialogue, and in the characters' internal thoughts. Certainly I think most of the more memorable lines come from the first 20-odd books in the series. But they're still good, and there are plenty of great ones in there. Indeed, the very next one, 25, is awesome. And in fact there's a good run coming up - 26 (still KA), 27 and 29 are among the best in the series.
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# ? Jul 12, 2021 04:17 |
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Epicurius posted:Most of what we read going forward is written by ghostwriters, who generally got no credit at the time. The book covers still said "Applegate". To be fair, they also got a message in big font printed right before each Chapter One which says "The author wishes to thank [name] for her help preparing this manuscript." which is a pretty clear indicator, assuming you've ever heard of a ghostwriter before. Which, admittedly, most children wouldn't, but then most would barely be aware of authors anyway.
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# ? Jul 12, 2021 04:34 |
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Thirded! Thanks for doing this Epicurius. This is the first book covered that I didn't read as a kid. I enjoyed it, but I don't think I would have cared much for it back then. The next one is also new to me, so I'm looking forward to it. As an aside, I was rummaging in the closet in my parents' home recently during a trip back, and found a box containing all of the Animorphs books I had collected as a kid (so everything up through #23, plus #26). I thought they had all been donated or thrown out, but apparently not! Maybe my kids will get a kick out of them when they're old enough.
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# ? Jul 12, 2021 05:00 |
Epicurius, I love this thread, and getting the books a chapter at a time is the best way to read them. Thanks!!!
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# ? Jul 12, 2021 05:14 |
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Yup, really enjoying this thread and it's been a huge nostalgia kick. This book was good, clean fun. Good palette cleanser after the David trilogy.
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# ? Jul 12, 2021 13:52 |
Nthing the appreciation, Epicurius. Keeping momentum up on a multi-year thread like this with near-daily posts is no small feat. still think we need a gangtag
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# ? Jul 12, 2021 21:15 |
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An animorphs gang tag would need to be something with thermals.
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# ? Jul 12, 2021 21:33 |
A hot cinnabon with thermals rising off it
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# ? Jul 12, 2021 22:40 |
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also it says nice is neat
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# ? Jul 12, 2021 22:43 |
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# ? Jul 13, 2021 00:13 |
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:A hot cinnabon with thermals rising off it
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# ? Jul 13, 2021 00:33 |
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g-gangtag yes
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# ? Jul 13, 2021 00:50 |
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freebooter posted:
even 28 in its infamy for being a Bad One introduces a very great aspect to Ax, his love of These Messages
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# ? Jul 13, 2021 01:11 |
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Animorphs Book 25-The Extreme Ghostwritten by Jeffrey Zeuhlke based on an outline by KA Applegate Jeffrey Zeuhlke was born in 1968, which means he would have been 30 when he wrote this. He writes non-fiction books for children, mostly in the 7 to 11 age range, and is published by Lerner, which is another children's book publisher. Lerner was, if you believe Wikipedia, "first publisher to print original art featuring multi-racial children". Zehulke has written three series for Lerner; "Amazing Athletes", which are biographies of famous athletes, like Michael Phelps, Kevin Garnett, etc., Pull Ahead Books-Mighty Movers, which is about vehicles (fighter planes, tanks, trucks, etc) and how they work, and Lightning Bolt Books: Famous Places, which is about specific areas on the globe, like the Grand Canyon. He also published, for Twenty-First Century Books, books in the Visual Geography series. These are for older kids, and are books about different countries of the world, like Germany and Ethiopia, as well as a biography of Joseph Stalin in a tie in with A&E Biography. (Twenty-First Century Books went on to be acquired by Lerner). When he's not writing kid's books, which I don't think he's doing anymore, he's (if I'm getting this right, and not combining two people) a financial/fraud risk analyst for a major corporation. And that's Jeffrey Zeuhlke. Chapter 1 quote:My name is Marco. The standard "This is the premise of the series" we get at the beginning of every Animorphs book, and we learn that Marco is so suspicious of girls asking him out, he figures they're probably Controllers. Which is both sensible and kind of sad. Chapter 2 quote:“So then what happened?” Cassie asked me in study hall the day after what had come to be called The Big Date. When the pacifist dog robot burns you, you know you're in trouble.
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# ? Jul 13, 2021 03:23 |
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Rough start to have to do a Marco book for the first ghostwritten one. (IMO he's trying a little too hard to emphasise Marco's narratorial voice.)
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# ? Jul 13, 2021 04:16 |
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The intro setting dump felt a bit more fun than they usually are, did a good job tying some narrative into it.
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# ? Jul 13, 2021 08:22 |
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GodFish posted:The intro setting dump felt a bit more fun than they usually are, did a good job tying some narrative into it. I did like how it started with the regular teen shenanigans, then tied that into the Yeerks and the paranoia they induce Mazerunner fucked around with this message at 08:37 on Jul 13, 2021 |
# ? Jul 13, 2021 08:34 |
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freebooter posted:Rough start to have to do a Marco book for the first ghostwritten one. (IMO he's trying a little too hard to emphasise Marco's narratorial voice.) Ideally, they'd have started wirh a Jake book
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# ? Jul 13, 2021 09:49 |
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Chapter 3quote:We met after school in Cassie’s barn - aka the Wildlife Rehabilitation Clinic - to discuss the situation. Cassie’s parents are veterinarians. While her dad runs the clinic, her mom runs the vet staff at The Gardens, an amusement park and zoo. Cassie helps out at the clinic, giving suppositories to I bet this is going to be the Chee's famous holograms. Chapter 4 quote:<Man, I just know I’m going to come back to a closet full of soggy comics,> I said. <I can tell by the look in Erek’s eyes he’s a bathtub reader.> I was right. Speaking of, and thinking about the corn flakes comment, do you think the Chee eat? I mean, I assume they don't need to, as they've got some superpowerful energy source. On the other hand, it's the Pemalites, and I could see them giving the Chee the capacity to eat just so the Chee could experience the sheer joy of it. Also, Visser Three has apparently learned from his last feeding encounter and is surrounded by guards.
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# ? Jul 14, 2021 03:40 |
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Have these people learned nothing from the last 10 times they've tried to ambush Visser Three and it blew up in their face immediately?
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# ? Jul 14, 2021 04:33 |
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Not sure if it's the ghostwriter or something the publisher was pushing on them, but this one definitely feels like it's re-establishing the entire series again on the chance that it might be the first book a kid picks up.
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# ? Jul 14, 2021 04:54 |
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freebooter posted:Not sure if it's the ghostwriter or something the publisher was pushing on them, but this one definitely feels like it's re-establishing the entire series again on the chance that it might be the first book a kid picks up. They all do that, though. Like, how many of the books have the opening chapter be, "So, I can't tell you my name because I have a secret. Evil slug aliens called the Yeerks are trying to take over earth by going into people's brains.. I only found out about this when my friends and I were coming home from the mall and came upon a crashed spaceship. There we met Elfangor, an Andalite. They're these aliens who are fighting the Yeerks. He gave us the power to morph....to turn into any animal we've touched. Then he was killed by the evil leader of the Yeerk invasion force, Visser Three. So now we fight the Yeerks, knowing if we fail, earth is doomed.. Here's a brief one sentence description of each of us."? Almost every book from book 2 onwards has the chapter of mandatory exposition.
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# ? Jul 14, 2021 05:11 |
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Epicurius posted:They all do that, though. Like, how many of the books have the opening chapter be, "So, I can't tell you my name because I have a secret. Evil slug aliens called the Yeerks are trying to take over earth by going into people's brains.. I only found out about this when my friends and I were coming home from the mall and came upon a crashed spaceship. There we met Elfangor, an Andalite. They're these aliens who are fighting the Yeerks. He gave us the power to morph....to turn into any animal we've touched. Then he was killed by the evil leader of the Yeerk invasion force, Visser Three. So now we fight the Yeerks, knowing if we fail, earth is doomed.. Here's a brief one sentence description of each of us."? Every chapter so far has been that though.
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# ? Jul 14, 2021 05:24 |
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Yeah they always do the first half chapter but this one really seems to have its thumb on the scale, right down to explaining the deal with Cassie's barn. Anyway just something I noticed, I still really like this one. Who doesn't like a travel episode? Also it's neat for the people reading this one in the thread for the first time, since the book cover clearly gives away where they're going.
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# ? Jul 14, 2021 10:12 |