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It's not Half-Life 3.
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Jul 13, 2021 17:18
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Tbh a side story that is a prequel up until the last 2 minutes when it retcons the end of ep 2 and then stops is a pretty loving loose definition of proper sequel
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Jul 13, 2021 17:25
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The Kins posted:Valve never seem to get involved in canon debates because that's a thing for fans to squabble over and they'll happily retcon stuff if it gets in the way ("Canon itself is non-canon"). About the closest to an official statement on OpFor that's ever been made was some email comment from former series lead writer Marc Laidlaw many many years ago that he didn't really take the Gearbox games into account in his writing, but that he'd happily pull elements from them if he could think of an entertaining way to incorporate them. So I guess their official status is "nebulous". Case in point: Return to Ravenholm, the cancelled spinoff/sidestory Valve contracted out to Arkane Studios back in 2006-7, was going to bring back Adrian Shephard and have him trawling through the zombies in Ravenholm.
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Jul 13, 2021 17:26
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Groovelord Neato posted:It's not Half-Life 3. Yea it kinda is, not like chronological order means anything in a story where time is nonlinear.
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Jul 13, 2021 17:44
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It doesn't even follow the same main character, it's clearly a side story. But the biggest clue it's not Half-Life 3 is in the name, as it's called Half-Life Alyx.
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Jul 13, 2021 17:46
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That's because Valve can't... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpw2ebhTSKs
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Jul 13, 2021 17:58
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Plenty of sequels follow a different character or even have some or most of its story set before the events of the previous entry. A spin-off implies a story distinct and separate from the main story thread, but the game is written with the assumption you've played the other games. You may jump backwards in time but its more akin to a flashback within a larger story, even ending the game with the player flashing forward to "today" as Gordon. Very different to how the writing was handled in the "true" expansions/spinoffs Gearbox made. Half Life Alyx is the third major Half Life release. It isn't an expansion pack, a standalone story or short form tech demo. They didn't call it Half Life 3 because there are certain expectations tied to that name and they wanted to avoid the inevitable cries from people whining that they can't play as their favourite mute protagonist.
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Jul 13, 2021 18:01
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Yeah it’s not Half-Life 3 but good debate exercise I guess
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Jul 13, 2021 18:03
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John Murdoch posted:Isn't that the one that eventually mutated into Battleborn Jesus loving christ... it is. 
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Jul 13, 2021 18:03
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It's not a spin off, it's a side story and also quite literally a tech demo lol
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Jul 13, 2021 18:04
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SCheeseman posted:Yea it kinda is, not like chronological order means anything in a story where time is nonlinear. yeah but the games are all linear unless i missed HL: Alyx being developed by ubisoft
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Jul 13, 2021 18:04
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Its over 10 hours long. Its just as much of a tech demo as any of the other Half Life games were.Arivia posted:yeah but the games are all linear unless i missed HL: Alyx being developed by ubisoft You spend much of the Half Life series getting dragged forward in time by Gman.
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Jul 13, 2021 18:05
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Resident Evil: Code Veronica is the fourth game in the Resident Evil series but it is not Resident Evil 4. You can tell which game is which by looking at the name of the game.
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Jul 13, 2021 18:05
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SCheeseman posted:Its over 10 hours long. Its just as much of a tech demo as any of the other Half Life games were. It's like 5 1/2 hours ^^^ i know you know you're being disingenuous with this comparison
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Jul 13, 2021 18:06
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Crowetron posted:Resident Evil: Code Veronica is the fourth game in the Resident Evil series but it is not Resident Evil 4. You can tell which game is which by looking at the name of the game. It was going to be RE3 and designed with that in mind, the change had more to do with marketing than anything else.
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Jul 13, 2021 18:12
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SCheeseman posted:It was going to be RE3 and designed with that in mind, the change had more to do with marketing than anything else. But its not, because it is Resident Evil: Code Veronica. Resident Evil 3 is a different game with the number 3 in the title.
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Jul 13, 2021 18:13
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site posted:It's like 5 1/2 hours My playtime was 10 hours. The game doesn't really stop you from blasting through it so you can get away with a lot less, but that's the case with all of the HL games.
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Jul 13, 2021 18:14
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SCheeseman posted:It was going to be RE3 and designed with that in mind, the change had more to do with marketing than anything else. Alyx was never meant to be 3.
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Jul 13, 2021 18:14
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Crowetron posted:But its not, because it is Resident Evil: Code Veronica. Resident Evil 3 is a different game with the number 3 in the title. Point was that it was until it wasn't and the decision to do so was mostly arbitrary and had nothing to do with the games actual content.
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Jul 13, 2021 18:15
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SCheeseman posted:Its over 10 hours long. Its just as much of a tech demo as any of the other Half Life games were. the games are linear levels in sequence, regardless of the narrative passage of time
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Jul 13, 2021 18:16
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SCheeseman posted:Point was that it was until it wasn't and the decision to do so was mostly arbitrary and had nothing to do with the games actual content. Well yes but anyone with two brain cells can piece together that cv is a sequel because it takes place chronologically after re2/3 and 3 is a side story because it takes place during the same time as 2
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Jul 13, 2021 18:18
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Groovelord Neato posted:Alyx was never meant to be 3. The project started out with them messing around with Half Life 2 assets in VR and grew from there. There was an attempt to avoid labelling the project "half life 3" but based on the interviews doing so was more a way of lowering the pressure rather than some kind of statement of intent.
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Jul 13, 2021 18:20
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site posted:Well yes but anyone with two brain cells can piece together that cv is a sequel because it takes place chronologically after re2/3 and 3 is a side story because it takes place during the same time as 2 Those aspects of the story were already in place while it was still planning to be released as RE3.
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Jul 13, 2021 18:22
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The head writer at Valve posted what 3's plot was going to be. It was never 3.
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Jul 13, 2021 18:23
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SCheeseman posted:The project started out with them messing around with Half Life 2 assets in VR and grew from there.  like...a tech demo?Okay I'm tapping out now
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Jul 13, 2021 18:28
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Groovelord Neato posted:The head writer at Valve posted what 3's plot was going to be. It was never 3.
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Jul 13, 2021 18:29
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site posted:
Games often start out by kitbashing things together. Please.
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Jul 13, 2021 18:30
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Just beat the Gonarch in Black Mesa. Jesus I thought it would never end. The pacing in Xen is so wonky. Longjumping is fun though.
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Jul 13, 2021 18:35
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site posted:
I mean I think the whole argument is dumb because it doesn't really matter either way but no, just because a game started out as people tinkering with tech doesn't mean the final product is a tech demo.
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Jul 13, 2021 18:44
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Quake 2 is the first Quake game because Quake was a tech demo, while Quake 2 had an actual plot. The second Quake game was Quake 4.
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Jul 13, 2021 18:46
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Crowetron posted:Resident Evil: Code Veronica is the fourth game in the Resident Evil series but it is not Resident Evil 4. You can tell which game is which by looking at the name of the game.  Groovelord Neato posted:The head writer at Valve posted what 3's plot was going to be. It was never 3. Assepoester fucked around with this message at 18:54 on Jul 13, 2021 |
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Jul 13, 2021 18:51
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sethsez posted:I mean I think the whole argument is dumb because it doesn't really matter either way but no, just because a game started out as people tinkering with tech doesn't mean the final product is a tech demo. I would say that the fact that it was designed as and pushed at release as a minigame to show off the index and its individual hand/finger tracking capabilities makes it one
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Jul 13, 2021 18:51
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Are there really people who think Alyx is Half-Life 3
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Jul 13, 2021 18:53
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Yeah hi
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Jul 13, 2021 18:54
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They named the third Half-Life the Alyx one
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Jul 13, 2021 18:58
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TheScott2K posted:Are there really people who think Alyx is Half-Life 3
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Jul 13, 2021 18:59
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Pretty gross that you guys see a female protagonist and are instantly like "that's not Half Life 3"
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Jul 13, 2021 18:59
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TheScott2K posted:Pretty gross that you guys see a female protagonist and are instantly like "that's not Half Life 3" I know you're mostly saying it in jest but I do get that impression from some spaces on the internet.
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Jul 13, 2021 19:02
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SCheeseman posted:I know you're mostly saying it in jest but I do get that impression from some spaces on the internet. You can find literally any lovely opinion somewhere on the internet. It's very obviously a side thing and not Half-Life 3.
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Jul 13, 2021 19:03
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The United States posted:Epistle 3 was EPISODE 3, not Half Life 3 I was under the impression the whole episode thing was dead and it was just gonna be 3 but you're right. Man this and the Black Mesa posts are making me wanna replay the OG.
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Jul 13, 2021 19:06
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