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Platystemon posted:They didn’t even say that. It’s just county-operated hospitals. Low income (probably most at risk) people use the county hospitals. There are no COVID specific wards at hospitals in LA that they would be directed to. LA county hospitals are quite big.
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7of7 posted:The semantics are really something these days. Nobody vaccinated has been hospitalized in LA but that doesn't mean nobody has been infected or ill. Sure but "infected or ill" isn't necessarily a serious problem. It could be, but vaccination appears to make a difference there. I'd prefer not to get infected at all but it's not the end of the world if I get infected with no symptoms or minor short term symptoms. If getting COVID means there's a legitimate chance I go to the hospital, that's a big problem. If getting COVID means I'm fatigued for a couple days and have a cough but that's it, that's not a huge deal for me. It appears that vaccination makes the latter case far more likely and it's dishonest not to acknowledge those differences in hospitalization.
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gohuskies posted:Sure but "infected or ill" isn't necessarily a serious problem. It could be, but vaccination appears to make a difference there. I'd prefer not to get infected at all but it's not the end of the world if I get infected with no symptoms or minor short term symptoms. If getting COVID means there's a legitimate chance I go to the hospital, that's a big problem. If getting COVID means I'm fatigued for a couple days and have a cough but that's it, that's not a huge deal for me. It appears that vaccination makes the latter case far more likely and it's dishonest not to acknowledge those differences in hospitalization. The original quote in the BNO tweet said vaccination was preventing infection and illness, something that’s clearly not always the case as the article I linked showed.
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7of7 posted:The original quote in the BNO tweet said vaccination was preventing infection and illness, something that’s clearly not always the case as the article I linked showed. That’s kinda arguing semantics. It’s clearly preventing hospitalizations.
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7of7 posted:The original quote in the BNO tweet said vaccination was preventing infection and illness, something that’s clearly not always the case as the article I linked showed. I read the point of the tweet being where it said that "None of the county-operated hospitals in Los Angeles County have admitted a single COVID-19 patient who was fully vaccinated" which is to say that the vaccines reduce hospitalization. And the article you linked agrees, saying that "None of the workers infected were hospitalized, nor were there any fatalities." That matters.
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sharknado slashfic posted:One of the things I love about this thread is it's like a microcosm of The Goon Mental Health Experience
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gay picnic defence posted:This has kicked off a chain of transmission that led to a guy going to the MCG while infectious with the delta variant so I’m assuming that will end up being a super spreader event. Not the first time the MCG (or Etihad) have been contact sites, and it hasn't resulted in spread in the past, so I wouldn't assume it will this time. It's outdoors. I'd be more worried about Highpoint.
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Are you guys arguing for the sake of arguing? Cuz goddamn.
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freebooter posted:Not the first time the MCG (or Etihad) have been contact sites, and it hasn't resulted in spread in the past, so I wouldn't assume it will this time. It's outdoors. I'd be more worried about Highpoint. One person who was shopping at the Craigieburn Coles at the same time as one of the NSW family members has already tested positive so any shopping centre has to be regarded as high risk. Yet again, covid testing at Fairfield is an absolute clusterfuck with delays stretching hours.
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freebooter posted:Not the first time the MCG (or Etihad) have been contact sites, and it hasn't resulted in spread in the past, so I wouldn't assume it will this time. It's outdoors. I'd be more worried about Highpoint. The previous times it was covid classic though right? I think this is the first time anyone has been huffing delta around the G
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There's another removalist exposure site in South Australia but authorities are having trouble working out where due to language barriers. Shouldn't interpreters have been called in on day ?
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Philthy posted:Are you guys arguing for the sake of arguing? Cuz goddamn. I know right, just let people post a vaguely optimistic tweet for the baby Jesus’s sake,
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7of7 posted:Yep, everybody loves to cherry pick statistics, 3 out of 5 dentists in your region agree. It’s on the same page, quoted multiple times. It’s a screenshot of a news conference with Dr Chris Whitty the chief medical officer of England patently explaining that the vaccines work against delta. 
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learnincurve posted:I know right, just let people post a vaguely optimistic tweet for the baby Jesus’s sake, It was a pretty straight forward tweet TBH
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I don’t get it. Delta sweeping though unvaccinated populations like wildfire is a very real and horrific thing that healthy brained people should absolutely be worrying about. Attempting to prove the vaccines don’t work in the face of all the evidence is being an anti-vaxer, no matter if you have had the jab yourself because that’s just you saying “I had it but it does nothing”
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It’s not anti‐vaccine to observe that the SARS‐CoV‐2 vaccines behave like every other vaccine on the planet.
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Platystemon posted:It’s not anti‐vaccine to observe that the SARS‐CoV‐2 vaccines behave like every other vaccine on the planet. Well first of all they don’t because every single vaccine on the planet behaves differently. That’s not what people are doing, they are desperately hunting for evidence that “proves” that the vaccines don’t prevent hospitalisations, (AZ in particular) presumably because they are simply being nasty and want to freak the vaccinated out.
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learnincurve posted:presumably because they are simply being nasty and want to freak the vaccinated out Yeah this is a problem with your worldview.
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Yeh I’m not the one who thinks the MMR jab and all the covid jabs behave the same way here.
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learnincurve posted:Yeh I’m not the one who thinks the MMR jab and all the covid jabs behave the same way here. I'm honestly kinda confused what you are arguing about.
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Vaccines don’t all behave the same, that’s not how vaccines work?
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Learnincurve I have to ask if at some point you sold your account to pick because 6 of the last 10 posts are yours and that’s just the kind of ridiculous bullshit that she would pull.
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MarcusSA posted:I'm honestly kinda confused what you are arguing about. IDK either. My point from the last page was that being fully vaccinated doesn't totally eliminate the chance of hospitalisation. That was not an argument against the effectiveness of any vaccine. I was speculating whether overlapping vaccines would further reduce the likelihood of hospitalisation, with admittedlybad math. I suspect one way or another we shall soon have a wealth of data on the subject. Obviously everyone should get fully vaccinated to the degree they are able. e: sorry for the confusion and derail. DickParasite fucked around with this message at 08:57 on Jul 14, 2021 |
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I’m so confused. This is the post I’m responding to. https://www.historyofvaccines.org/content/articles/different-types-vaccines Platystemon posted:It’s not anti‐vaccine to observe that the SARS‐CoV‐2 vaccines behave like every other vaccine on the planet.
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The SARS‐CoV‐2 vaccines behave in a manner not inconsistent with every other vaccine on the planet. Is that better? I feel like I’m giving a deposition here. If I said that a particular æroplane behaved “like every other plane on the planet”, no one would take that to mean that I believed that the Wright Brothers, Amelia Earhart, Jimmy Doolittle, Chuck Yeager, Burt Rutan, and Chesley Sullenberger all flew identical planes, or even reused the same one. They would take it to mean something more like how it was meant, that all planes act via the same physical principles and are subject to similar shortcomings. None of them are Wonder Woman’s Invisible Jet. Platystemon fucked around with this message at 10:39 on Jul 14, 2021 |
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But that’s just completely different to what you said :/
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Got my first jab with Pfizer and while my 5G reception sucks, it managed to interfer with the wireless card terminal when I bought a sandwich.
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gay picnic defence posted:The previous times it was covid classic though right? I think this is the first time anyone has been huffing delta around the G Yeah but it's still outdoors, not remotely at full capacity, they make people enter through different gates and at different times etc - the people who went to the shops probably brushed past more strangers than the guy who went to the footy. Anyway #ThanksGladys
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Lolie posted:There's another removalist exposure site in South Australia but authorities are having trouble working out where due to language barriers. Shouldn't interpreters have been called in on day ? From what the Victorian covid guy was saying it sounds like the removalists are being deliberately hard to deal with. There’s plenty of interpreters available unless they speak something super obscure. I wonder if everyone who ends up locked down can launch a class action against the stupid motherfuckers.
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gay picnic defence posted:From what the Victorian covid guy was saying it sounds like the removalists are being deliberately hard to deal with. There’s plenty of interpreters available unless they speak something super obscure. I wonder if everyone who ends up locked down can launch a class action against the stupid motherfuckers. I guess the powers that be are being forced to play nice with them so far in order to squeeze out all the info they can but it sounds like they're champing at the bit for the chance to prosecute them for breaking the covid laws: Victoria's COVID-19 response commander Jeroen Weimar posted:Books will be thrown when it's time, when it's appropriate to throw them. I'm exceptionally frustrated at the pace and transparency of the information coming from the removalists' exposure, that's been a real matter of concern. Also another 3 cases have been detected in Melbourne tonight, that bring's today's total up to 11 community spread cases so far. It's starting to sound pretty inevitable that we'll be going back into lockdown. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-14/victoria-records-11-new-covid-cases/100291284
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I thought "removalist" was the name for some dumb chud party fragment, looked it up and it's just movers I hope y'all can get your vaccines soon because goddamn are people just willfully dumb and think rules are for other people
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Pyrtanis posted:I thought "removalist" was the name for some dumb chud party fragment, looked it up and it's just movers I was just looking up this exact same thing lol
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nexous posted:the 60% number came from Israel, which, apparently, is located in my rear end Free Palestine (from your rear end)
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I'm fully vaccinated but i just got a respirator to wear to the grocery store because i don't see anyone except the workers wearing masks anymore, and i would prefer to not get a variant at all because i have autoimmune issues already and the idea of long covid is terrifying even if i don't get hospitalized.
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Even if it's 100% factually true, I can't help but feel presenting the stats in such a nakedly political way only serves to entrench the battlelines on the issue.
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I’m concerned about vaccine effectiveness of 80%ish against infection because even asymptomatic infection can lead to long covid. It’s great that vaccines are so protective against hospitalization, however, if I can still get long covid that’s a pretty bad outcome too. It is not anti-vax to look for info on the reduced effectiveness of vaccines. It is necessary in order to understand risk of long covid. edit: this is a response to the sentiment here learnincurve posted:I don’t get it. Delta sweeping though unvaccinated populations like wildfire is a very real and horrific thing that healthy brained people should absolutely be worrying about. also while I'm responding to learnincurve learnincurve posted:This will be the second time a huge wave has been brought to me, a person who did everything right, from the south. if it's the ear loops that are getting you try one of these https://www.amazon.com/Extender-Holder-Anti-Slip-Buckle-Strap/dp/B08B8X75CC/ or get a mask where the straps go fully around your head instead of around your ears Dren fucked around with this message at 15:00 on Jul 14, 2021 |
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Jeza posted:Even if it's 100% factually true, I can't help but feel presenting the stats in such a nakedly political way only serves to entrench the battlelines on the issue. I'm sure fox News will have an outrage piece on it.
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