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crazy eyes mustafa posted:cake > yeast nah they’re both distinctively good and especially not if it’s a gross baked cake doughnut. also there are doughnuts made in neither fashion like cruellers which are usually fried pâte à choux
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Jul 14, 2021 14:11
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Bilirubin posted:More unmarked graves in BC It only took 2 for people to not give a poo poo anymore. Not hearing this anywhere.
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Jul 14, 2021 15:11
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apatheticman posted:It only took 2 for people to not give a poo poo anymore. username/post combo
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Jul 14, 2021 15:28
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computer, show me the worst take of July 13th, 2021.
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Jul 14, 2021 17:27
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apatheticman posted:It only took 2 for people to not give a poo poo anymore. CNN picked it up. It's still a story. But it does make me wonder what meaningful change will actually happen while this still has momentum.
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Jul 14, 2021 17:30
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special hidden ones at that! nothing nefarious in hiding grave sites is there?
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Jul 14, 2021 17:30
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BGrifter posted:computer, show me the worst take of July 13th, 2021. Simultaneously incorrect, horribly insensitive, and then blames the media (which is correct). And this is a verified account. I love the future!
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Jul 14, 2021 17:33
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apatheticman posted:It only took 2 for people to not give a poo poo anymore. I saw this on CBC before I saw it here: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/penelakut-kuper-residential-school-1.6100201
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Jul 14, 2021 17:54
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reminds me of when that cessna crashed into the polish cemetery and they recovered 5300 bodies
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Jul 14, 2021 18:03
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BGrifter posted:computer, show me the worst take of July 13th, 2021.  "Mass graves" refers to large pits of corpses buried together, usually in a short period of time, suggesting disease or genocide, and "unmarked graves" would refer to bodies buried at different times without records, suggesting deaths spaced apart!**: Neither are cemeteries.
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Jul 14, 2021 18:52
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cash crab posted:
and importantly, none of the gravesites found so far (at least that I have heard about) have been mass graves but are collections of unmarked graves, so it fits the neglect, lack of healthcare and individual abuse models survivors have described quite well.
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Jul 14, 2021 18:56
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If we are at the arguing about the definition of mass graves, we are pretty much on schedule for the discourse around the residential school deaths.
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Jul 14, 2021 19:05
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BGrifter posted:computer, show me the worst take of July 13th, 2021. this tracks with that guy who wrote an article saying actually its good to find mass graves because that means we successfully sent a bunch of heathen souls to heaven
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Jul 14, 2021 19:07
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you could photoshop that guys twitter handle and avatar to heir goebbels and nothing would be amiss
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Jul 14, 2021 19:12
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Arivia posted:and importantly, none of the gravesites found so far (at least that I have heard about) have been mass graves but are collections of unmarked graves, so it fits the neglect, lack of healthcare and individual abuse models survivors have described quite well. Exactly. Like, either way large amounts of bodies without records is a bad look, but unmarked graves are almost certainly indicative of systematic neglect/murder, and probably deliberate.
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Jul 14, 2021 19:13
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these 160 children were not killed quickly matt walsh, brain genius: exactly, see, it's fine.
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Jul 14, 2021 19:25
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canadian conservatives insisting that because the genocide of indigenous peoples in canada has been considerably less efficient than say, the holocaust or holodomor, it's actually not really worthy of recognition is always a fine look
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Jul 14, 2021 19:27
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RBC posted:you could photoshop that guys twitter handle and avatar to heir goebbels and nothing would be amiss wrap it up, the thread has been Godwin’d. What happened to those kids is horrific and wrong. there is no excusing it, and there should absolutely be repercussions for anyone alive who took part in/ran the system. going forward, people should be educated on how this system came to be and why. HOWEVER; calling these unmarked graves “Mass Graves” is misleading and evokes something more like Rwanda. you know, actual, racial mass murder genocide with people being dragged out of their homes and being murdered by a mob. don’t feed the outrage machine.
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Jul 14, 2021 19:28
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Just don't post matt Walsh, a trash person and right wing spokesperson. Literally calls himself a theocratic fascist
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Jul 14, 2021 19:29
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yes, in canada's case the mob was simply the federal government and it was all much less dramatic our actual racial mass murder genocide was done in a thoroughly bureaucratic way, that took decades to achieve the same results, so it's hardly a fair comparison
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Jul 14, 2021 19:29
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Frank Dillinger posted:wrap it up, the thread has been Godwin’d. You're right. It was more a systemic planned genocide. What's the right term for that?
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Jul 14, 2021 19:32
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well, it's like first degree genocide versus second degree genocide.
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Jul 14, 2021 19:33
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bunnyofdoom posted:You're right. It was more a systemic planned genocide. What's the right term for that? He did not say it wasn't a genocide.
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Jul 14, 2021 19:37
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Frank Dillinger posted:wrap it up, the thread has been Godwin’d. ... as opposed to actual racial mass murder genocide with people being dragged out of their homes and then murdered a few months or years later in a religious prison with "school" written on the door?
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Jul 14, 2021 19:41
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Crow Buddy posted:He did not say it wasn't a genocide. it's true, they did not, the language of their second to last sentence merely implied that it was not, in some unspecified fashion, as much of a genocide as the one in rwanda. how or why this is relevant is left as an exercise for the reader
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Jul 14, 2021 19:43
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vyelkin posted:... as opposed to actual racial mass murder genocide with people being dragged out of their homes and then murdered a few months or years later in a religious prison with "school" written on the door? yes, like that. i mean, who even knows how many of those kids were "murdered" as opposed to simply dying due to neglect or misadventure? we'll just call them church involved deaths
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Jul 14, 2021 19:46
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it was genocide, op
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Jul 14, 2021 19:46
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Frank Dillinger posted:wrap it up, the thread has been Godwin’d. You're right, people being dragged out of their homes and being murdered by a mob happened before the residential schools.
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Jul 14, 2021 19:48
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infernal machines posted:church involved deaths 
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Jul 14, 2021 19:50
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"It's not the thing you say it was, therefore you are misrepresenting the facts, and thus the thing you're describing isn't really that bad and also you are a liar" is a lovely argument but we could do our part by not inviting it
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Jul 14, 2021 19:50
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look, using the term genocide implies that i should in some way feel bad about it happening, can we just call it something else so people don't think it was like those other genocides that happened elsewhere that were just absolutely awful and a mark of shame on the nations and peoples who perpetrated them?
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Jul 14, 2021 19:50
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infernal machines posted:church involved deaths
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Jul 14, 2021 19:50
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"Don't feed the outrage machine" is said, as these people have had their culture beaten out of them. "its not real genocide" is said, when at least one out of twenty Indigenous children were murdered under the guide of the government.
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Jul 14, 2021 19:52
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infernal machines posted:it's true, they did not, the language of their second to last sentence merely implied that it was not, in some unspecified fashion, as much of a genocide as the one in rwanda. how or why this is relevant is left as an exercise for the reader Evoking language that we used during Rwanda, to talk about what happened here, maybe isn't super helpful as there are a LOT of people that already don't recognize this as a problem (ie. that blue check mark idiot.) Giving the impression that we are talking about bulldozing machine gun victims or roving gangs with machetes just gives them a reason to tune this out. That said, I haven't seen the media talking about mass graves at all so this is the blue check mark evoking it himself to dismiss the entire thing. Why he is doing that is also left as an exercise for the reader. Hope that doesn't make me a genocide denier too.
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Jul 14, 2021 19:54
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it was absolutely a genocide in which children were neglected to death, or outright deliberately killed, and buried in unmarked graves, and if this upsets you, good
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Jul 14, 2021 19:55
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yall i may be completely off base here but i have this suspicion that the drive-by poster invoking godwin's law while having "jawohl mein herr" as their title text and trying to well-actually the definition of genocide to downplay thousands of dead first nations children may either be not posting in earnest or is posting in earnest and is just a terrible person
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Jul 14, 2021 19:58
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Crow Buddy posted:Evoking language that we used during Rwanda, to talk about what happened here, maybe isn't super helpful as there are a LOT of people that already don't recognize this as a problem (ie. that blue check mark idiot.) Giving the impression that we are talking about bulldozing machine gun victims or roving gangs with machetes just gives them a reason to tune this out. the thing about needing to differentiate between genocides is that it's generally driven by the desire to minimize what's happened here in canada. whether the children were machine gunned into a ditch or died over several decades because of the machinations of the residential school system isn't actually relevant to it being a genocide, these 160 children are just as dead as if we had gassed them, and they're dead because of who they were and who their parents were. infernal machines has issued a correction as of 20:02 on Jul 14, 2021 |
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Jul 14, 2021 19:59
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Frank Dillinger posted:What happened to those kids is horrific and wrong. there is no excusing it, and there should absolutely be repercussions for anyone alive who took part in/ran the system. going forward, people should be educated on how this system came to be and why. HOWEVER; shut up
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Jul 14, 2021 20:00
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^ good catchinfernal machines posted:the thing about needing to differentiate between genocides is that it's generally driven by the desire to minimize what's happened here in canada. whether the children were machine gunned into a ditch or died over several decades because of the machinations of the residential school system isn't actually relevant to it being a genocide, the 160 children are just as dead as if we had gassed them, and they're dead because of who they were and who their parents were. Completely agree.
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