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America Inc.
Nov 22, 2013

I plan to live forever, of course, but barring that I'd settle for a couple thousand years. Even 500 would be pretty nice.

CommieGIR posted:

Bolsorano is having Hiccups that won't go away for the past 100 days

https://twitter.com/nycsouthpaw/status/1415334935527895046?s=20

It apparently may have something to do with all the random cocktail of drugs he's been taking for the Rona and now for a dental implant. If he died from this (extremely unlikely) but not Rona that would make my day

E: also the last 10 days, not 100 god is not so merciful

https://twitter.com/AndreVFig/status/1414703044973973506?s=20

America Inc. fucked around with this message at 17:01 on Jul 14, 2021

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Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012
https://twitter.com/chinchillazllla/status/1415419617502187521?s=21

:stare:

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

The blue glow is a feature, not a bug


Pillbug

That sounds a lot like something systemic like cancer...

Doctor Teeth
Sep 12, 2008


now i'm picturing the scene early in an episode of cheers where they all yell "Norm!" except it's they're yelling "Jair!" as he's wheeled into a são paulo hospital

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

Enjoy every sandwich.

Smellrose

How could they tell this was a new development, given how long he's been full of poo poo?

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)
That often leads to people literally vomitting up poo poo. Again, how could anyone tell?

Munin
Nov 14, 2004


WhiskeyWhiskers posted:

That often leads to people literally vomitting up poo poo. Again, how could anyone tell?

We also always knew he was full of poo poo already.

I wonder why his body suddenly revolting against his natural state now.

[edit] As an aside, here is a video of what can happen if you don't poop for more than a week: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4vsZw0D9Mo

America Inc.
Nov 22, 2013

I plan to live forever, of course, but barring that I'd settle for a couple thousand years. Even 500 would be pretty nice.
Jair is getting held together with glue and duct tape, he is the FrankenPresident

Conspiratiorist
Nov 12, 2015

17th Separate Kryvyi Rih Tank Brigade named after Konstantin Pestushko
Look to my coming on the first light of the fifth sixth some day
https://twitter.com/MC_of_A/status/1415441511362318336

How are u
May 19, 2005

by Azathoth
Couldn't happen to a nicer guy. Hope he suffers greatly.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.
Isn't this a symptom of opioid abuse

Grouchio
Aug 31, 2014

Aww damnit I hoped that getting 100 days of hiccups from poo poo in his diaphragm would kill him.

Ulvino
Mar 20, 2009

The Horrible Saga of JAIR.avi

SexyBlindfold
Apr 24, 2008
i dont care how much probation i get capital letters are for squares hehe im so laid back an nice please read my low effort shitposts about the arab spring

thanxs!!!
I hope Jair "Shitsniffles" Bolsonaro lives to be ground into fine paste by Lula

Elias_Maluco
Aug 23, 2007
I need to sleep
Me I rather have him die now cause situation here is not giving me much hope that election results will be respected if he loses

Ramrod Hotshot
May 30, 2003

I feel like Bolso is going to die, which would make Hamilton Mourao president, the current VP, an ex general who is basically the Curtis Lemay of Brazil. Thus restoring the junta almost by default

a pipe smoking dog
Jan 25, 2010

"haha, dogs can't smoke!"

CommieGIR posted:

That sounds a lot like something systemic like cancer...

I heard that his intestines are all hosed up from when he got stabbed and it's probably an effect of how scarred and useless they are.

Phobophilia
Apr 26, 2008

by Hand Knit
While Moise was incompetent, he was nevertheless a stabilizing force and so I don't think it was high level US policy to merk him. For a start, the US media was never laying the groundwork to regime change, the constant protests in Haiti were completely ignored.

Bolsonaro, on the other hand, was incompetent and destabilizing. The same people who fabricated charges against Lula and installed Bolsonaro will now have no qualms over replacing Bolsonaro with someone who could put up a fight. Not electorally though.

Ytlaya
Nov 13, 2005

Ghost Leviathan posted:

Isn't this a symptom of opioid abuse

It can be, though it's not common to reach the point of an obstruction (which is a very serious health issue that has a high chance of killing you if not quickly resolved - another poster posted a good video about it) and is generally easily dealt with through diet or OTC stool softeners.

HashtagGirlboss
Jan 4, 2005

Ytlaya posted:

It can be, though it's not common to reach the point of an obstruction (which is a very serious health issue that has a high chance of killing you if not quickly resolved - another poster posted a good video about it) and is generally easily dealt with through diet or OTC stool softeners.

Misread that “or” as an “of” and got pretty curious about the direction of dieting trends

SexyBlindfold
Apr 24, 2008
i dont care how much probation i get capital letters are for squares hehe im so laid back an nice please read my low effort shitposts about the arab spring

thanxs!!!
Results for the chilean presidential primaries are just dropping - early numbers point to a Boric upset over Jadue 😬 (there was a lot of hubbub over right-wing voters turning out en masse for Boric to prevent Jadue from being the nominee, but to be entirely fair Boric ran a better campaign - basically "my platform is nearly the same but I'll have broader appeal").

Redczar
Nov 9, 2011

Things I’m laughing at:
DC
Javiera Parada
Matinales

e: almost forgot: Pamela Jiles

Redczar fucked around with this message at 00:50 on Jul 19, 2021

Traveller
Jan 6, 2012

WHIM AND FOPPERY

Banana milk-soaked hot dogs it is, I guess :toot:

On the right wing, Sichel has a pretty big lead, which sorta makes sense when the competition is burned to various degrees (so is Sichel, just less than the others)

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

If you see me posting please remind me that I have Charlie Work in the reports forum to do instead
This isn't a mod demand, but I'd really enjoy a good solid short summary of the Chilean presidential primaries/election.

SexyBlindfold
Apr 24, 2008
i dont care how much probation i get capital letters are for squares hehe im so laid back an nice please read my low effort shitposts about the arab spring

thanxs!!!

GreyjoyBastard posted:

This isn't a mod demand, but I'd really enjoy a good solid short summary of the Chilean presidential primaries/election.

Alright

Chapter 0: Quick summary of chilean politics up to this day:

After the end of the dictatorship, the country switched to a multi-party democracy that, for all intents and purposes, functioned as a two-party system, but with two coalitions rather than two parties. The Concertación (center to center-left, from centrist Christian Democracy to the 'renewed' Socialist Party of Chile - think UK's New Labor) and the various name changes of the right-wing alliance, currently known as Chile Vamos. Since the Concertación was formed by all parties who originally banded together to campaign against Pinochet in the 1989 referendum, the Communist Party was excluded (at the time, they still favored ousting Pinochet through armed insurrection). Other than the odd independent, there was basically nobody outside of the Concerta/ChV spectrum to hold any level of elected office for about 20 years. When Piñera finally beat the Concertación in the 2010 presidentials, the Concertación managed to sign the communists and a few other leftist groups into a broader center-left coalition (now known as Nueva Mayoría) to gain enough support to win the next elections (which they did - this was Bachelet's 2nd term, 2014-2018, where the communists held a couple of cabinet positions). At the same time, they also signed a 'pact of omission' with some members of the student protests of 2011, where they didn't become part of NM but were allowed to run in a couple of districts where the NM would refrain from fielding a candidate. Boric belonged to this generation, and was active in the student protests, but wasn't part of the deal - he actually won his congress seat in his local Magallanes region (far south - the region includes Tierra del Fuego and even Chile's claim on Antarctica) running against both the NM and the right wing, which at the time was considered near-impossible. Anyway, Bachelet's popular support slowly but steadily deflated due to a corruption scandal she never quite recovered from, her 2nd term was generally considered a dud, and Piñera had a relatively easy victory in the next election, but this also marked the entry of a third force, Frente Amplio, mostly comprised of various leftist groups linked to the 2011 student protests (Boric among them), plus a few smaller parties here and there. Piñera didn't have too much trouble on the presidentials, but Chile Vamos failed to get a majority in congress despite the vote of the left-of-center field becoming a lot more crowded. The communists at this point were technically still in NM's camp, but their alliance quickly shattered after NM went into the opposition (moderates believed the communists' stance on Cuba and Venezuela had become a liability), and the smoldering remains of NM, the Communists and the FA struggled to pose a semblance of unity in their opposition to Piñera (it didn't help that the FA has a party split every other month like clockwork). That was the general landscape when October 2019 hit and poo poo proverbially hit the fan.

While the causes championed by the protestors generally aligned with the agenda of leftist parties (free healthcare, support for indigenous rights, nationalization of mineral resources, new constitution, etc), no group had enough legitimacy to outright jump the bandwagon and paint themselves as representatives "of the street" - NM due to its 20+ year neoliberal track record, FA due to its incompetence, the communists due to their time as part of NM and other grievances (a lot of people resent the communists' heavy-handed control of labor unions, for example, and accuse them of keeping the unions "tame" during Bachelet II). So when it was time to choose constitutional delegates (by which point the communists and the FA had semi-formally joined forces, as Apruebo Dignidad), the big surprise came from left-independents, chief among them Lista del Pueblo, who made great emphasis in having no ties to established political parties (and being mostly of working class origin). So even though overall the results were considered as a massive victory for "the left", with the right losing ground at historical levels, forces within "the left" were pretty balanced (AD, ex-NM and LdP getting roughly the same amount of votes and seats).

This led to most left-of-center figures to read the results as a need to join forces, mostly looking to the presidential primaries. At that point, LdP had no plans for the presidential since they'd literally just showed up overnight, AD only had Daniel Jadue (mayor of Recoleta, Santiago) as a presumptive candidate (and leading most polls), Gabriel Boric had just decided to run as the FA candidate, the ex-NM was undecided between a large roster of non-starters, and Pamela Jiles's support had just collapsed due to her husband's failed governor bid.

Chaper 1: Chaos

okay i could literally go on for pages about the aborted attempt to hold a unified primary of the opposition, but let's keep it brief and say AD came this close 🤏 to holding a primary with Jadue, Boric and Narváez (socialist party, ex-NM), which would have practically translated to bringing the center-left NM to heel since NM dropped a lot of centrist candidacies in a space of a few hours to sweeten the deal (and Narváez herself is a non-entity), but everyone ended up making GBS threads the bed at the literal last second due to failure to agree over legislative races and whether to include non-socialist NM voters in the primary. So when the deadline for the primary registry hit, AD's primary was left as Jadue vs Boric, and NM was left with no primary (which left them without much-needed screen time in debates and political ads to lift their anemic candidate). Some NM sectors responded to the fiasco by proposing Yasna Provoste as an alternative candidate for the establishment center-left (she's a centrist christian democrat, but has higher approval ratings than Narváez, who has nothing to run on other than having Bachelet's endorsement). Provoste hasn't confirmed she'll run and would not participate in primaries, either. Meanwhile, Chile Vamos also signed up for a primary, with Joaquín Lavín (mayor of uber-wealthy Las Condes, Santiago, and 3-times presidential candidate) as the expected winner.

Chaper 2: Primaries
Jadue was assumed to be the winner from the start. He campaigned on a platform that covered most of the demands from the protests (and the issues that have sprung up since the constitutional debate kicked off), with an emphasis on social rights and using the social programs (housing, education, healthcare, etc) he's already implemented in Recoleta as credentials. Boric's platform was actually extremely similar to Jadue's (both candidates would readily admit to this), but he added proposals for empowering regional governments (Chile's politics are extremely Santiago-centric) and avoided getting baited into damaging soundbites like Jadue did. Some of these mistakes were entirely on Jadue, like casually mentioning he'd also legalize hard drugs when pressed on his stance on cannabis or losing his temper on debates when grilled on issues reporters knew would set him off, like Cuba or Venezuela, but I have to admit that media bias did play a part as well. In general, the problem could be diagnosed as Jadue campaigning towards the voters he already had and *maybe* towards the LdP crowd, while Boric assumed he could fight those votes by keeping a platform that was basically "99% of what Jadue said, also gender perspective, LGBT rights and regional integration", while also reaching towards voters who'd previously been NM or independents by the mere virtue of not being a communist and not falling into any obvious campaign mistakes. Overall, both played it pretty safe.

Meanwhile, there were the ChileVamos candidates - Lavín, Briones (economy minister under Piñera), Sichel (former chairman of BancoEstado, appointed by Piñera, and also serving in his cabinet later) and Desbordes (former cop, chairman of RN (Piñera's party) and minister of Defense under Piñera in the thick of the protests). Their campaign was mostly geared towards moderate voters, partially because it was understood that Lavín (a perennial candidate) already had a deadlock on the hardliner vote, and partially because the historically low results for ChileVamos suggest they'll need to seek support somewhere else. A few months before the primaries, Desbordes lost an internal vote for the chair of RN, and after he refused to drop his presidential run after such a massive L, RN threw its support under Sichel in protest. The looming threat that Chile Vamos faces, regardless of who makes the cut, is the possibility of the far-right vote fleeing to die-hard Pinochetist José Antonio Kast, which could potentially doom them to political irrelevance. Their primary race was otherwise unremarkable.

Results:

Apruebo Dignidad

Boric - 60%
Jadue - 39%

Chile Vamos

Sichel - 49%
Lavín - 31%
Briones - 9%
Desbordes - 9%

Chapter 3: What's next

There's already a lot of doomsaying from the left over Boric's inability to secure victory (particularly because he'd be a tougher sell to LdP voters than Jadue), but for the most part this comes from Terminally Online people. Boric's a decent enough candidate and might do a better job of getting much-needed independent and NM votes, and it's not like Jadue had LdP votes in the bag, either. There's grumblings about the PC possibly shattering the alliance with the FA, but I haven't seen anything yet. There's still room for more candidates to sign in for the first round or drop out. But, for the time being, the (possible) candidates are...

SexyBlindfold fucked around with this message at 07:28 on Jul 19, 2021

SexyBlindfold
Apr 24, 2008
i dont care how much probation i get capital letters are for squares hehe im so laid back an nice please read my low effort shitposts about the arab spring

thanxs!!!
So, who's running?


1. Gabriel Boric
Party: Convergencia Social (left)
Coalition: Frente Amplio / Apruebo Dignidad (Frente Amplio + Communist Party)
Background: Former student union leader. Lawyer. Congressman for Magallanes.
Strong points: Good debate performance. Extremely similar platform to Jadue, which generally aligns with the social demands of the entire Apruebo camp, but more digestible for independent and moderate voters. The momentum's still with the left.
Weaknesses: FA is a dumpster fire of a coalition and you can expect at least two party splits from here to the general elections. Boric might lose a lot of Jadue voters, and he'll be a hard sell to the LdP crowd, who resent him for signing the November 2019 agreement for a new constitution with the rest of the political establishment (which LdP sees as a lifesaver for Piñera's embattled presidency and an attempt of the political parties to co-opt the constitutional process), and also for voting in favor of an anti-barricades bill during the protests (he later apologized). Comes from a privileged family (even Sichel had a rougher upbringing), and chileans might not be in the mood for a cuico progre. Punta Arenas is a strange, distant land, but it never got a Sabatini-era telenovela so most chileans don't consider it as 👏valid👏. Alerta de funa.


2. Sebastián Sichel
Party: None.
Coalition: Chile Vamos (right-wing)
Background: Former Christian Democrat. Served as chairman of BancoEstado (Chile's state-owned bank, not to be confused with the Central Bank, which controls currency) and a couple of cabinet posts under Piñera.
Strong points: Is not linked to the 'traditional' right (ie. not a career politician, not a Pinochetist, not socially conservative, wasn't part of the Rechazo crowd) which might net him more independent votes than the floundering coalition could expect. Has enough sense to notice that running as a right-winger in this election is a lost cause, and campaigned in the primaries mostly as a socially liberal centrist, even throwing a few bones to protesters with some tepid proposals for expanding social welfare.
Weaknesses: The hard right might flee in droves to Kast, which could spell disaster for Chile Vamos if it translates into the establishment right-wing missing the runoff for the first time in 20 years. The moderate field's already crowded, and most voters leaning moderate will feel revulsion from anyone linked to Piñera's disastrous administration as a matter of principle. Had no real achievements worthy of note in any of his government posts, and the poo poo management of BancoEstado in particular was evident to most chileans during the pandemic. Is still expected to rule with ChileVamos' usual rogues gallery, which is electoral poison for most voters in the year of our lord 2021.


3. Paula Narváez
Party: Socialist Party of Chile (center-left)
Coalition: Unidad Constituyente? formerly known as Nueva Mayoría/Concertación.
Background: held some cabinet posts under Bachelet
Strong points: none (unless you count Bachelet's endorsement)
Weaknesses: Has consistently failed to poll higher than 2%, and missing the primaries means Boric and Sichel already have a head start on her. The aborted Great Opposition Primary was seen as a fiasco and other members of UC/NM/Concerta/who cares are resentful at the Socialists being so eager to drop all other candidacies of the coalition in exchange for some crumbs of relevance for Narváez.


4. Yasna Provoste
Party: Christian Democracy (center)
Coalition: Unidad Constituyente? formerly known as Nueva Mayoría/Concertación.
Background: Minister of Education under Bachelet. Senator for Atacama. Current President of the Senate.
Strong points: Polls good personal favorability numbers across the board. Could capitalize on the moderate vote. Despite belonging to the centrist Christian Democrats (who are on life support) is considered closer to the progressive wing of the party and is more closely associated with Bachelet than the presumptive Bacheletist candidate, Narváez. Her Diaguita (indigenous) background makes her stand out against a roster of candidates that will mostly (or entirely, if Narváez drops) be white, male and upper-class.
Weaknesses: Hasn't even confirmed she'll run. Polls no longer mean anything. Christian Democrats are all but dead, and the NM might soon follow suit. A NM/Concertación candidate will be a hard sell to the general Apruebo crowd, particularly when running on a program they chose not to enact for over 20 years.


5. José Antonio Kast
Party: Republicanos (far right)
Coalition: none
Background: Former congressman for UDI (part of Chile Vamos), left the camp when he decided the coalition wasn't openly Pinochetist enough. Former presidential candidate (8% of the vote).
Strong points: Sichel is seen as a weak candidate, and Kast could monopolize the hard right vote (which roughly caps at the 22% obtained by the Rechazo option in the constitutional referendum), which won't be enough to give him victory, but could edge him to the runoff if the field's particularly crowded.
Weaknesses: Tax dodger. Pinochetist. Opus Dei. Only fucks for procreation. Martes de pololeo. A prime Sabine Mengele-Eichmann type. For someone desperate to replicate the electoral success of America's alt-right, is indistinguishable from a dime-a-dozen career politician. Was gearing up for a non-stop CHILEZUELA campaign against Jadue, which won't land the same against Boric.


6. Unspecified Lista del Pueblo candidate
Party: none?
Coalition: Lista del Pueblo (anti-establishment left)
Background: ???
Strong points: Lista del Pueblo could capitalize on the less-than-stellar roster on the left, and winning over disillusioned Jadue voters is a possibility. They had a surprise showing in the constitutiona assembly by campaigning against establishment politicians, and the current roster could potentially allow them to do the same in the presidentials.
Weaknesses: Unless Boric really shits the bed (which can't be ruled out), voters might not appreciate splitting the left any further. LdP might be counting on most of its voters being ideologically motivated, when it's likelier that a good amount of them were punishing the establishment parties in general. The two names who have been floated so far for a possible LdP candidacy are Jorge Sharp (mayor of Valparaíso), a former FA member who might be too indistinguishable from Boric, and Diego Ancalao, a complete unknown.


7. Franco Parisi
Party: Partido de la Gente (pyramid scheme)
Coalition: none
Background: Businessman. Former presidential candidate (10% of the vote)
Strong points: Pyramids are known for their structural integrity
Weaknesses: if you bring 10 people and they bring 10 people and they pay you an admittance fee and you mail that to PdlG headquarters you could win fabulous prizes such as


8. Cristián Contreras Radovic, 'Dr File'
Party: Centro Unido (???)
Coalition: None
Background: TV pundit.
Strong points: His sister, Ángela Contreras, starred in many of the best soaps from the golden age of chilean telenovelas (mid 1990s to mid 00s), like Sucupira, La Fiera and Amores de Mercado.
Weaknesses: Anti-masker, anti-vaxxer, Covid denialist and all-around conspiracy nut.

9. Others
The field's still open for more figures to enter the fray, but them getting major support is unlikely. Any of the candidates defeated in the primaries could choose to run regardless, Pamela Jiles could recant on her previous withdrawal of her candidacy, old faces like Marco Enríquez-Ominami (center-left) and Alfredo Jocelyn-Holt (center-right, currently begging for anti-woke online cred) could have a go, and I think there's been mention of Pinochetist fossil Hermógenes Pérez de Arce running further to the right of Kast. None are expected to gain much traction, but hey, weirder things have happened.

e: added dr file because we live in hell

SexyBlindfold fucked around with this message at 08:26 on Jul 19, 2021

SexyBlindfold
Apr 24, 2008
i dont care how much probation i get capital letters are for squares hehe im so laid back an nice please read my low effort shitposts about the arab spring

thanxs!!!
i guess that wasn't short 😔

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

If you see me posting please remind me that I have Charlie Work in the reports forum to do instead

SexyBlindfold posted:

i guess that wasn't short 😔

all the better

Medieval Medic
Sep 8, 2011

SexyBlindfold posted:



9. Others
The field's still open for more figures to enter the fray, but them getting major support is unlikely. Any of the candidates defeated in the primaries could choose to run regardless, Pamela Jiles could recant on her previous withdrawal of her candidacy, old faces like Marco Enríquez-Ominami (center-left) and Alfredo Jocelyn-Holt (center-right, currently begging for anti-woke online cred) could have a go, and I think there's been mention of Pinochetist fossil Hermógenes Pérez de Arce running further to the right of Kast. None are expected to gain much traction, but hey, weirder things have happened.

e: added dr file because we live in hell

Good writeup, but a minor correction. This is not accurate, this round was legal primaries, so none of the losers of yesterday(Lavin, Briones, Desbordes, Jadue) can be included in the November ballots.

SexyBlindfold
Apr 24, 2008
i dont care how much probation i get capital letters are for squares hehe im so laid back an nice please read my low effort shitposts about the arab spring

thanxs!!!

Medieval Medic posted:

Good writeup, but a minor correction. This is not accurate, this round was legal primaries, so none of the losers of yesterday(Lavin, Briones, Desbordes, Jadue) can be included in the November ballots.

🤔 I wasn't entirely sure if that was the case since I think the law only precludes them from running as part of the coalition they primaried with (ie. I don't think there's an explicit "sore loser" provision like there is in US elections, where even if you break from your primary coalition you're barred from running on a separate ticket), but at least at this moment the point appears moot since all primary losers have endorsed their coalition winner.

SixFigureSandwich
Oct 30, 2004
Exciting Lemon
Castillo has now officially been declared the winner of the Peruvian presidential election.

Grouchio
Aug 31, 2014

u brexit ukip it posted:

Castillo has now officially been declared the winner of the Peruvian presidential election.
The legit Marxist won? Is this the first time this has happened in Peru?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6d3yVq1Xtw

America Inc.
Nov 22, 2013

I plan to live forever, of course, but barring that I'd settle for a couple thousand years. Even 500 would be pretty nice.
Ironically, lifting the embargo on Cuba would probably bring more benefits to global capital than keeping it. Think about the (so-called at least) communist countries that the US has normalized relations with: the USSR, China, Vietnam, Cambodia, and Myanmar. I argue that these countries share a common trait of having liberalized their economies after normalizing relations. Hell, normalizing relations with the USSR probably aided in its collapse under Gorbachev.

If the same were done with Cuba, I imagine the economy would liberalize a bit as well to bring in investment.

E: the embargo is literally just cruelty for the sake of it

America Inc. fucked around with this message at 03:11 on Jul 23, 2021

America Inc.
Nov 22, 2013

I plan to live forever, of course, but barring that I'd settle for a couple thousand years. Even 500 would be pretty nice.

Grouchio posted:

The legit Marxist won? Is this the first time this has happened in Peru?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6d3yVq1Xtw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVrQBr60074

Munin
Nov 14, 2004


no hay camino posted:

E: the embargo is literally just cruelty for the sake of it

The embargo exists to pander to a key demographic in a tightly contested US swing state. It's all domestic US politics bullshit which, as it far too often does, shits things up for people elsewhere.

A whole slew of political consultants are convinced that you cannot win Florida without the Cuban Exile vote and that you can't with that vote if are seen as soft on the Communist government of Cuba. Whether that is actually true or not is a different question but they point to how Democrats have lost ground in the state since Obama lifted the embargo.

Biden should just lift the bloody embargo again already. I don't think he will though because he doesn't really give a poo poo about Cuba but does about domestic politics.

Yinlock
Oct 22, 2008

Munin posted:

The embargo exists to pander to a key demographic in a tightly contested US swing state. It's all domestic US politics bullshit which, as it far too often does, shits things up for people elsewhere.

A whole slew of political consultants are convinced that you cannot win Florida without the Cuban Exile vote and that you can't with that vote if are seen as soft on the Communist government of Cuba. Whether that is actually true or not is a different question but they point to how Democrats have lost ground in the state since Obama lifted the embargo.

Biden should just lift the bloody embargo again already. I don't think he will though because he doesn't really give a poo poo about Cuba but does about domestic politics.

There's also some sunk-cost fallacy involved, U.S instituions have spent an unbelievable amount of time and money on trying to overthrow Cuba. It's personal for a lot of warmongers at this point.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

Yinlock posted:

There's also some sunk-cost fallacy involved, U.S instituions have spent an unbelievable amount of time and money on trying to overthrow Cuba. It's personal for a lot of warmongers at this point.

Especially given how we're seeing a full court press desperately throwing everything at Cuba to see if anything sticks. Brain lasers and so on. I feel like they're trying to divert the Russiagate narrative, all the while trying to ignore how liberals are wondering how they keep marching alongside Proud Boys at the rallies.

Phobophilia
Apr 26, 2008

by Hand Knit
Two takeaways I'm getting from this. Firstly, fishhook theory is absolutely loving real: the sensible centrist liberals of the Biden state department have happily rehabilitated deranged far-right conspiracy theories so long as it serves their idiotically short-sighted agenda. So you have the revival of Covid lab-engineering conspiracy theories, and now the centrist SOS Cuba numbskulls want to deliver an entire island nation to MAGA shitheads, who aren't going to vote for you anyway because they all think Dems are baby eating pedophiles. Yeah this is definitely a good power play.

Secondly, we're all loving doomed. The only human organizations capable of responding to global crises are States, and they categorically refuse to do so. Instead, their response to a trans-national crisis is to exploit them for short-term gains against local rivals. So you had China use its rapid recovery from the covid crisis to assert control over international waters, and now you have the US blockade of Cuba used to exacerbate a biological/economic crisis. And this is over something relatively benign, like the novel coronavirus. God loving help us when we hit 1.5 degrees of warming.

America Inc.
Nov 22, 2013

I plan to live forever, of course, but barring that I'd settle for a couple thousand years. Even 500 would be pretty nice.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna1498

Mexico is sending help to Cuba in what the Mexican president AMLO calls an act of "solidaridad internacional" (international solidarity). AMLO pleaded to the US government to lift the embargo:

https://elpais.com/mexico/2021-07-23/mexico-enviara-a-cuba-dos-barcos-con-ayuda-alimentaria-y-sanitaria.html

quote:

“La verdad es que si se quisiera ayudar a Cuba, lo primero que se debería hacer es suspender el bloqueo, como lo están solicitando la mayoría de los países del mundo”, dijo López Obrador. “Eso sería un gesto verdaderamente humanitario. Ningún país del mundo debe ser cercado, bloqueado, eso es lo más contrario que puede haber a los derechos humanos. No se puede crear un cerco o aislar a todo un pueblo, por razones políticas y por cualquier razón. Nadie tiene derecho a tomar esas decisiones que afectan a los pueblos”, agregó.

The reality is that if one wanted to help Cuba, the first thing one ought to do is lift the embargo, as most of the countries of the world are demanding. That would be a truly humanitarian gesture. No country should be surrounded, blockaded, that is the complete opposite to human rights. No one should erect a wall or isolate an entire people, for political reasons or whatever reason. No one has the right to make these decisions that affect the peoples [of the world].

Meanwhile the Biden admin only plans to raise more sanctions in response to what it claims as violence against protestors by the Cuban government.

America Inc. fucked around with this message at 02:54 on Jul 24, 2021

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America Inc.
Nov 22, 2013

I plan to live forever, of course, but barring that I'd settle for a couple thousand years. Even 500 would be pretty nice.
Hmm this sounds like a hella sketchy deal for vaccines made by the Mexican government:

quote:

A company with four employees, based out of an office in Switzerland and formed only after signing the contract with Mexico, is charged with packing and distributing 35 million doses of the controversial CanSino vaccine for the Mexican people. The president of the company is a Mexican lawyer, currently sanctioned for a financial scheme that surfaced in the Panama Papers scandal.

https://www.univision.com/univision...xistent-company

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