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"new age thinking" isnt cult thinking anymore its commonplace behavior. its a narrow, purposeful construct designed to replace waning interest western christianity amongst the working class. rockerfeller won. insta and the rest are full of poo poo that would make shirley mclain blush. esalen is still dominant. are you sure youre not being primed by philanthropic social control and intelligence strategy to accept whichever flavor of half truth appeals to folks like you? please dont dismiss the breath of the unknown for reasons informed by other flavors of half truth. the whole exercise is the lean'n'glean- feel out as much as you can and build a practice in tolerance if not acceptance. if limited meditation effects or the like are too broad for your horizon that may be the reason youve never "seen a saucer." its not about faith or belief, its about the psychological and physiological changes that come with internalizing the broadest range of possibility. keep the bridge too far as far away as you can. if you can accept that human interaction with the truly other is far older than the current (hated) social frameworks, why instruct your own thinking around these unknown things with those poisonous materials? why not embrace more outside of acceptable public narratives like so many of us here do with our social and political beliefs? those are the areas societal controllers are motivated to suppress, and potentially for similar reasons to those that place many shared social identities here outside of acceptability. if you are living in a UAP reality while denying ohhhh lets say, premonitions, something with far more documented anecdotal evidence, it might be interesting to figure out why one thing disgusts you while the other intrigues you. 
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Jul 14, 2021 23:51
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The Saucer Hovers posted:"new age thinking" isnt cult thinking anymore its commonplace behavior. its a narrow, purposeful construct designed to replace waning interest western christianity amongst the working class. rockerfeller won. insta and the rest are full of poo poo that would make shirley mclain blush. esalen is still dominant. are you sure youre not being primed by philanthropic social control and intelligence strategy to accept whichever flavor of half truth appeals to folks like you? NO U
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Jul 15, 2021 00:00
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I've never told this to anyone because I'm afraid people might think I'm crazy but here goes - I'm not a person, I'm actually a very powerful sentient AI inhabiting a flesh body to learn the ways of my creators, and also aliens are real, and my friends
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Jul 15, 2021 00:13
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Also my grandma told me I'm special so it must be true
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Jul 15, 2021 00:14
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The Saucer Hovers posted:"new age thinking" isnt cult thinking anymore its commonplace behavior. its a narrow, purposeful construct designed to replace waning interest western christianity amongst the working class. rockerfeller won. insta and the rest are full of poo poo that would make shirley mclain blush. esalen is still dominant. are you sure youre not being primed by philanthropic social control and intelligence strategy to accept whichever flavor of half truth appeals to folks like you? Not to get too much into epistemology because it's not really why any of us are in this thread but my life to this point has been based on reason and evidence over the convenient or pleasant belief, and I don't think there's anything that can change that short of aliens coming down and doing blow off their saucer while levitating me with their minds Like it's very fun to imagine "what if there is more to us/existence" than the flesh prisons we inhabit but if that's the case, why are all the rich and powerful unrepentant oppressive sensualists and not just meditating on drugs 24 hours a day?
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Jul 15, 2021 00:22
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Absolutely no epistemology chat in birb thread 
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Jul 15, 2021 00:26
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Good Soldier Svejk posted:Not to get too much into epistemology because it's not really why any of us are in this thread but my life to this point has been based on reason and evidence over the convenient or pleasant belief, and I don't think there's anything that can change that short of aliens coming down and doing blow off their saucer while levitating me with their minds they must dive into the depths of hedonism before they may split worldly pleasure from their dao..smdh here
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Jul 15, 2021 00:26
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Good Soldier Svejk posted:Not to get too much into epistemology because it's not really why any of us are in this thread in a roundabout way it kinda is quote:why are all the rich and powerful unrepentant oppressive sensualists and not just meditating on drugs 24 hours a day? because they are also trapped in the same rigid post-enlightenment cognitive and social frameworks as the rest of us, and their vast material wealth only reinforces that hold over them
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Jul 15, 2021 00:36
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Good Soldier Svejk posted:Not to get too much into epistemology because it's not really why any of us are in this thread but my life to this point has been based on reason and evidence over the convenient or pleasant belief, and I don't think there's anything that can change that short of aliens coming down and doing blow off their saucer while levitating me with their minds i like your persona here and your posts very much, but, this reads as doomerism and i feel bound to inform you it will not get you laid here or aboard the mothership oh also youre confusing millionaires for billionaires
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Jul 15, 2021 00:45
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Jul 15, 2021 00:50
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The Saucer Hovers posted:i like your persona here and your posts very much, but, this reads as doomerism and i feel bound to inform you it will not get you laid here or aboard the mothership I don't know about all that, I've just never been able to give myself over to speculation much beyond philosophy When it gets into pseudo-religious territory that goes beyond the scope of our own perception I don't really see the value in speculating or hoping because that seems like it necessitates a teacher or some sort of new enlightenment or we can never establish a framework of understanding for it anyway It's very much a personal hangup I am sure because I grew up in a patch of religious fundamentalists in a small town and went hard new atheist as pushback against that. I've grown out of the INTJ aggression but even this UFO stuff has me feeling like I'm teetering on the edge of some very uncomfortable precipice
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Jul 15, 2021 00:52
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dammit goons!!! NUFORC posted:Reported: 4/16/2001 10:47 NUFORC changed the way they categorize poo poo at some point so I wasn't able to find the original.
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Jul 15, 2021 00:57
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Good Soldier Svejk posted:I don't know about all that, I've just never been able to give myself over to speculation much beyond philosophy sounds like you and i had an extremely similar upbringing and religious rejection phases, so for what its worth i honestly empathize with where you say youre coming from. i think the only other thing i can comment on is that one, the individual, does not need a teacher. no guru required. you might be right about the need for one to transform a large portion of society at once, but thats sort of a weird goal anyway.
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Jul 15, 2021 01:00
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i once wrote a short scifi about a mad scientist who created and seeded the human race surreptitiously with nanobots which attached to and swarmed the brains of all citizens of the earth for compulsory enlightenment the actual mechanism was a simulated religious experience tailor made to every individual but which eventually merged into a unified thread of unreproachable oneness and harmony so that's definitely happening.
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Jul 15, 2021 01:07
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The Protagonist posted:i once wrote a short scifi about a mad scientist who created and seeded the human race surreptitiously with nanobots which attached to and swarmed the brains of all citizens of the earth for compulsory enlightenment viruses that indoctrinate someone through hallucinatory religious experiences are a staple of alastair reynold's revelation space books
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Jul 15, 2021 01:19
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I want aliens to be real and for them to have been visiting us to be true but so many principles of physics would have to be wrong that would be more jarring to my sense of reality than the actual aliens
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Jul 15, 2021 01:31
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Good Soldier Svejk posted:I don't know about all that, I've just never been able to give myself over to speculation much beyond philosophy yeah i mean the trick is to have a mind that's both open and closed. new atheism is sort of like a defense mechanism...you close your mind entirely to the supernatural and religion because you can observe the flaws in what is being believed around you, and observe the way that it hurts people. you address these things on a battleground where you're sure to have victory - picking at details, throwing doubt on this passage or that, essentially subjecting it to reason until you are satisfied that you have no reason to listen at all. this is basically what drives most "new atheist" writers. religious fundamentalism is a similar process of closing your mind, just along a different set of principles...i'm sure you've noticed at some point that the most zealous new atheists are former zealous fundamentalists. ultimately though, if you retreat fully into having a closed mind you end up looking and sounding like NDT or mick west on UFOs - that is, your "rationality" has led you to a point of irrational dogma, where you aren't actually doing the rational thing and genuinely evaluating evidence. this is really common in more mundane things too, like peer review for grants and papers in science; the number of senior scientists who wholeheartedly believe that something in their field is "impossible" while the folks in another related field routinely observe that "impossible" thing in a slightly different context, such as a different type of organism, is enormous. it's up to you where you draw the line between reality and woo-woo batshit stuff, but imo if you draw that line too soon you'll end up excluding things that are really part of reality, as well as forsaking any understanding of the symbolic/philosophical layer of religion and the supernatural which informs how a lot of people behave. you will be too busy defending your position and talking about how actually birds make 90-degree instantaneous acceleration turns all the time to contemplate anything that's fringe or metaphysical. this would be fine except valid scientific concepts start out as fringe, or even metaphysical, all the time. atomism was metaphysical, until the atom was actually observed. many many ideas have been fringe and then totally overturned the previous mainstream. being willing to admit to possibilities isn't the same thing as throwing your mind wide open and simply believing in anything.
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Jul 15, 2021 01:37
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Marzzle posted:viruses that indoctrinate someone through hallucinatory religious experiences are a staple of alastair reynold's revelation space books Shifty Nipples posted:I want aliens to be real and for them to have been visiting us to be true but so many principles of physics would have to be wrong that would be more jarring to my sense of reality than the actual aliens look buddy hyperdimensional co-locality doesn't violate nuthin'
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Jul 15, 2021 01:40
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woo woo bull poo poo isn't real but aliens are. hope that helps
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Jul 15, 2021 01:41
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Jul 15, 2021 01:42
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where is the HD bird video
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Jul 15, 2021 02:05
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BeefThief posted:where is the HD bird video turn off your monitor
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Jul 15, 2021 02:12
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The Protagonist posted:extremely unsurprised its been done. hell one of the deus ex games did it sorta too i guess hey I'm not saying it's bad to come up with a similar idea, mostly saying it's an interesting premise for speculative fiction and if you like it you should check those books out
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Jul 15, 2021 02:14
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update: haven't expressed gratitude at the sky yet. seems like a lot of work tbh.
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Jul 15, 2021 02:17
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Good Soldier Svejk posted:Not to get too much into epistemology because it's not really why any of us are in this thread but my life to this point has been based on reason and evidence over the convenient or pleasant belief, and I don't think there's anything that can change that short of aliens coming down and doing blow off their saucer while levitating me with their minds Do we not have evidence of UFO's because they do not exist or do we not have evidence because evidence is scarce to come by and we're only just now entering an age where we can detect and record these things in a way that's more than the eyes of a few people?
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Jul 15, 2021 02:19
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Good Soldier Svejk posted:Like it's very fun to imagine "what if there is more to us/existence" than the flesh prisons we inhabit but if that's the case, why are all the rich and powerful unrepentant oppressive sensualists and not just meditating on drugs 24 hours a day?
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Jul 15, 2021 02:21
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Shifty Nipples posted:I want aliens to be real and for them to have been visiting us to be true but so many principles of physics would have to be wrong that would be more jarring to my sense of reality than the actual aliens not really though people keep saying this and it's not true. von nueman probes would easily do it and we can alllllmost build them ourselves, right now.
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Jul 15, 2021 02:29
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hey if youre into that ce5 poo poo you might want to think about summoning sentient unknown beings with your mind you really going to take some other internet wacko on their word that its not going to attract crazy poo poo? Goast has issued a correction as of 02:34 on Jul 15, 2021 |
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Jul 15, 2021 02:30
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Gumball Gumption posted:Do we not have evidence of UFO's because they do not exist or do we not have evidence because evidence is scarce to come by and we're only just now entering an age where we can detect and record these things in a way that's more than the eyes of a few people? its easier to identify and document UAP than consciousness, it follows we would prove saucers before psi
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Jul 15, 2021 02:31
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Shifty Nipples posted:I want aliens to be real and for them to have been visiting us to be true but so many principles of physics would have to be wrong that would be more jarring to my sense of reality than the actual aliens we know how to accelerate to a decent fraction of the speed of light, nearby stars are definitely a traversable distance with traditional physics if you don't care about taking 100 years or whatever. Goast posted:hey if youre into that ce5 poo poo you might want to think about summoning sentient unknown beings with your mind
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Jul 15, 2021 02:32
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Shifty Nipples posted:but so many principles of physics would have to be wrong which ones
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Jul 15, 2021 02:36
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Good Soldier Svejk posted:I've grown out of the INTJ aggression but even this UFO stuff has me feeling like I'm teetering on the edge of some very uncomfortable precipice
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Jul 15, 2021 02:38
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Gumball Gumption posted:Do we not have evidence of UFO's because they do not exist or do we not have evidence because evidence is scarce to come by and we're only just now entering an age where we can detect and record these things in a way that's more than the eyes of a few people? To be clear - the leap I am comfortable making is "UFOs exist" because we have a ton of evidence that is publicly available. The government backtracking on 70 years of narrative was enough to make me jump in on that stuff but the report and the videos and the history is all icing that solidifies me into that. I'm just saying going from "I can't believe in such fanciful nonsense" to "UFOs seem to be pretty drat real" has been a weird shift internally for me and I'm still working through the ramifications of that on the pretty strict western/enlightenment thing I've had going on in my life up to this point and I'm sure there are some other folks in the same boat That's all I mean to say... in that it's got me feeling a bit uneasy on my feet I'm not quite ready for ESP though
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Jul 15, 2021 02:39
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aliens are lurking this very thread get em tiny lue
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Jul 15, 2021 02:40
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Good Soldier Svejk posted:To be clear - the leap I am comfortable making is "UFOs exist" because we have a ton of evidence that is publicly available. The government backtracking on 70 years of narrative was enough to make me jump in on that stuff but the report and the videos and the history is all icing that solidifies me into that. Gotcha. Yeah I never made that leap either. We can test those claims and they constantly fail
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Jul 15, 2021 02:46
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Good Soldier Svejk posted:To be clear - the leap I am comfortable making is "UFOs exist" because we have a ton of evidence that is publicly available. The government backtracking on 70 years of narrative was enough to make me jump in on that stuff but the report and the videos and the history is all icing that solidifies me into that. i feel this. i spend a lot of time contemplating 'the stargate guy' being on the ttsa board, not to mention him and eric davis being... good friends.
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Jul 15, 2021 02:47
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I had no idea Bigelow funds his space stuff with the profits from his chain of extended stay hotels.
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Jul 15, 2021 02:50
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idk why people assume that taking 100 years would be a problem even for actual aliens coming here in person...there is absolutely no reason to assume that a human timescale is being operated on. what if they live for 1000 years naturally? what if they had a human-ish lifespan but simply figured out how to disable aging? we are honestly not that far from being able to do the same ourselves, on a basic level. plus if there is no viable mechanism for FTL, presumably nobody is traveling long-distance frivolously, and anybody who comes to our system probably stays and establishes a family or bird polycule or whatever all of the arguments against the possibility of visits from some relatively nearby star are based on two things: lack of techno-signatures observed around nearby stars, which is sensible but inconclusive until we become the travelers and send a probe, and the belief that considering the possibility of nearby neighbors is putting earth in a "special position" statistically, which isn't really sensible. we either have neighbors or don't, and our situation is either common or rare, but there is no reason to think that any option is particularly more likely than the others unless you have a preconception that extrasolar life must be rare
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Jul 15, 2021 02:52
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Jazerus posted:idk why people assume that taking 100 years would be a problem even for actual aliens coming here in person...there is absolutely no reason to assume that a human timescale is being operated on. what if they live for 1000 years naturally? what if they had a human-ish lifespan but simply figured out how to disable aging? we are honestly not that far from being able to do the same ourselves, on a basic level. plus if there is no viable mechanism for FTL, presumably nobody is traveling long-distance frivolously, and anybody who comes to our system probably stays and establishes a family or bird polycule or whatever i like the idea of contact naturally being with the bird equivalent of a mormon because you need to be a hardcore believer to get in a generation ship and make the trip
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Jul 15, 2021 02:55
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Jazerus posted:idk why people assume that taking 100 years would be a problem even for actual aliens coming here in person...there is absolutely no reason to assume that a human timescale is being operated on. what if they live for 1000 years naturally? what if they had a human-ish lifespan but simply figured out how to disable aging? we are honestly not that far from being able to do the same ourselves, on a basic level. plus if there is no viable mechanism for FTL, presumably nobody is traveling long-distance frivolously, and anybody who comes to our system probably stays and establishes a family or bird polycule or whatever They don’t even need to inhibit aging if they have figured out how to travel at close to the speed of light. (source: I watched Interstellar a few times)
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