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McGavin posted:No poo poo they're campus Conservatives. Can you imagine becoming a Conservative late in life? Like, you make it to your 40s with a functioning brain and then suddenly realize that you want to make life worse for everyone around you? That's some Captain Planet supervillain poo poo right there. The material conditions of life when you move to the suburbs and suddenly are forced to care very deeply about property values break a lot of brains
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Jul 15, 2021 18:01
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Muscle Tracer posted:"If you're young and conservative, you have no heart: if you're old and liberal, you have no brain!" was conventional wisdom in my household growing up. yeah and those people grew up eating lead paint chips and it loving shows
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Jul 15, 2021 18:05
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Yeah, but that was what, 20-30 years ago? I don't think anyone growing up outside of Conservatism (that isn't a Q-cultist) can look at what the Conservatives have become during that time span and be like "Yes please, I'd like to get in on that." I mean, look at Jason Kenney's bio: Like a human pig, he loves to pollute, using his wealth to acquire complex pig-themed polluting gadgets. He has a distorted sense of vanity (fat pride), and is an inveterate glutton, even eating a small fish that was originally destined as lunch to his henchman, after Kenny himself ate a big fish. He does not appear to be very brave - once Justin Trudeau arrives, he often resorts to begging or pleading, usually desperate to be saved from his own plan, which has backfired. However, he throws his weight around and can be very cruel as he has attempted to harm the Liberals on more than one occasion.
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Jul 15, 2021 18:12
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https://twitter.com/elishadacey/status/1415716784515305475?s=20
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Jul 15, 2021 18:13
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Even if they believe it, I cannot fathom how anyone thinks "The residential schools were run with the best of intentions" is a thing that you should say right now. It's up there with "Hitler had a lot of good ideas" in terms of things that should not be coming out of your mouth as a politician.
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Jul 15, 2021 18:15
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infernal machines posted:Even if they believe it, I cannot fathom how anyone thinks "The residential schools were run with the best of intentions" is a thing that you should say right now. speaking of that Hitler had a lot of good ideas thing: https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/07/politics/donald-trump-adolf-hitler-book-claims/index.html
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Jul 15, 2021 18:28
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Legit Businessman fucked around with this message at 01:10 on Sep 10, 2022 |
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Jul 15, 2021 18:32
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infernal machines posted:Even if they believe it, I cannot fathom how anyone thinks "The residential schools were run with the best of intentions" is a thing that you should say right now. It's such obvious bullshit because we know that the quality of education the kids received was dogshit, too, with many graduating "high school" with elementary-level knowledge. The goal was to destroy their culture with the expectation they'd all be janitors or maids. Cursory knowledge of the schools disproves the "best intentions" stuff.
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Jul 15, 2021 18:35
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infernal machines posted:Even if they believe it, I cannot fathom how anyone thinks "The residential schools were run with the best of intentions" is a thing that you should say right now. It's even more cowardly imo. Sadly, far from the worst take on the child prison camps I have seen in the last week, after reading that American Conservative article and Robyn Urback's "Burning churches is the same as burning mosques after 9/11" crap. It's pretty cathartic to see someone get put in their place for it (yes, I realize the bar is very low) Lassitude posted:It's such obvious bullshit because we know that the quality of education the kids received was dogshit, too, with many graduating "high school" with elementary-level knowledge. The goal was to destroy their culture with the expectation they'd all be janitors or maids. Yes, the term "residential school" is as much of a euphemism as "Vocational Education and Training Centers". At least with some of them, like Kuper Island, they were called "Industrial Schools" which paints a slightly clearer picture. Starks fucked around with this message at 18:40 on Jul 15, 2021 |
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Jul 15, 2021 18:35
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Arivia posted:speaking of that Hitler had a lot of good ideas thing: https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/07/politics/donald-trump-adolf-hitler-book-claims/index.html That illustrates the point pretty well.
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Jul 15, 2021 18:36
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Bell owns this country and its politicians more than any other industry or interest group. Best case is probably a fine that amounts a fraction of a fraction of a percent of their quarterly profit.
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Jul 15, 2021 18:47
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pokeyman posted:Winning back from who? The only thing I can think of that was imposed upon Manitoba is closing the USA border. Everything else has been under the authority of the legislature that he leads. The interesting thing is that this could be a winning narrative in a sense. "You have two choices: continued restrictions, or vaccinations and freedom!" It's like dealing with small children, don't force them to do anything; rather, give them a choice between two or more alternatives which are all acceptable to you. Win that freedom back by getting the vaccine, lads!
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Jul 15, 2021 19:52
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Femtosecond posted:
This is a perfect description of Pierre Poilievre.
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Jul 15, 2021 19:54
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https://twitter.com/smithjoanna/status/1415746158069157893
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Jul 15, 2021 20:09
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Feel like all y'all mixed dosers can appreciate this. https://twitter.com/averycutedog/status/1415463389640355848?s=20 I think I'm just about 4 weeks out from my first dose; kind of hoping the pharmacy contacts me for the follow up soon so I don't have to spend the effort on my part figuring stuff out.
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Jul 15, 2021 20:46
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I too was hoping Shoppers Drug Mart would follow up with me like they said they would, they didn't and I ended up calling the pharmacy directly to book, but it took like 30 seconds to do, so whatever.
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Jul 15, 2021 20:50
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Muscle Tracer posted:"If you're young and conservative, you have no heart: if you're old and liberal, you have no brain!" was conventional wisdom in my household growing up. Yeah but this saying was coined by people whose fortunes and quality of life generally improved as they got older. It makes zero sense to anybody born after 1975 or so.
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Jul 15, 2021 20:50
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Willatron posted:Yeah but this saying was coined by people whose fortunes and quality of life generally improved as they got older. It makes zero sense to anybody born after 1975 or so. It might have also helped that Conservatism back in 1975 wasn't transparently a rejection of reality and an embracing of Nazi adjacent ideals. Note that I said "transparently".
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Jul 15, 2021 21:43
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Tornado hit Barrie 30 seconds down the road from where I work holy poo poo. We were rushed into the giant fridges in the building for protection like some stupid movie plot. Jesus christ.
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Jul 15, 2021 21:44
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Well you're in a fridge so you're pretty much indestructible now. But for real stay safe, poo poo's wild.
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Jul 15, 2021 21:46
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Willatron posted:Yeah but this saying was coined by people whose fortunes and quality of life generally improved as they got older. It makes zero sense to anybody born after 1975 or so. just to be clear, i don't agree with my parents on this one.
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Jul 15, 2021 21:51
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I think it's safer to say that people become more pragmatic as they get older, and it's probably justifiable. In an older time, that could mean becoming more conservative, well before "conservatism" became the word for unchecked lunacy. Hopefully it will also mean the young folks who travelled down the right-wing rabbit hole will find their way out as they get older and more aware of the world.
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Jul 15, 2021 21:55
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PT6A posted:I think it's safer to say that people become more pragmatic as they get older, and it's probably justifiable. In an older time, that could mean becoming more conservative, well before "conservatism" became the word for unchecked lunacy. Hopefully it will also mean the young folks who travelled down the right-wing rabbit hole will find their way out as they get older and more aware of the world. I agree with this and I can see how having stuff like a stable career and kids can lead some to....not reject certain ideals but not support them either. I've seen people who in their 20s were shouting for more housing and safe injection sites turn in NIMBYs because they bought a place or worry that the social housing place is too close to their kids school.
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Jul 15, 2021 22:14
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Madkal posted:I agree with this and I can see how having stuff like a stable career and kids can lead some to....not reject certain ideals but not support them either. I've seen people who in their 20s were shouting for more housing and safe injection sites turn in NIMBYs because they bought a place or worry that the social housing place is too close to their kids school. You can be small-c conservative because you're comfortable and don't want thing to change without being capital-C Conservative. This is easier in Canada than in certain other countries because here we have the Liberal Party which is very much a small-c conservative party.
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Jul 15, 2021 22:23
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MB Cons been saying the quiet part out loud and digging deeper and deeper all day: https://twitter.com/ScottBilleck/status/1415780914710392840 And Brian from today's presser announcing the cabinet shuffle: quote:The people who came to Canada "didn't come here to destroy anything. They came here to build. They came to build better," he said last week.
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Jul 16, 2021 00:32
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My life is easy now, so I guess this whole exploitation this isn't that bad after all!
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Jul 16, 2021 00:33
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Has Chartrand denounced the new cabinet minister yet?
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Jul 16, 2021 00:46
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Cocaine Bear posted:My life is easy now, so I guess this whole exploitation this isn't that bad after all! As I become the exploiter rather than the exploited I gain a whole new appreciation for exploitation
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Jul 16, 2021 02:35
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Gringo Heisenberg posted:MB Cons been saying the quiet part out loud and digging deeper and deeper all day: dig up stupid
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Jul 16, 2021 02:40
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Gringo Heisenberg posted:And Brian from today's presser announcing the cabinet shuffle: I mean okay, I'm not going to blame the settler John Chitty's and Jean-Baptiste Richelieu's too much, but England and France came here to build via fighting wars against the people that were already here with bonus damage from novel diseases soooo... I would also love to know how you can talk about Métis peoples while somehow not referencing Europeans at all. Not to mention "the people who came after them" could only be Europeans. But also, it's literally impossible to talk about the settlers who built Canada while not referencing colonialism. It's the same loving thing, you don't get to pretend that they just kinda showed up and nothing bad happened and boom, there was Canada!
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Jul 16, 2021 13:33
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Arcsquad12 posted:Has Chartrand denounced the new cabinet minister yet? I haven't seen anything yet. The MMF is normally pretty quick with statements sent to all citizens so we'll see if there's anything today. Red river echoes is a Metis group with a more radical perspective and critical of Chartrand. Give them a follow if you do that sort of thing
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Jul 16, 2021 14:16
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That's what's so infuriating about this. He's gaslighting everyone. There was no peace. They came to conquer. Like, the Metis were born of the French forcefully taking Indgenous peoples and breeding. Our history is bloody as hell. gently caress, this rear end in a top hat just keeps digging. When is it gonna stop? Like, you can't keep doing this in this day and age when things can be disputed in a matter of seconds.
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Jul 16, 2021 14:19
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It's ok guys, the settlers came to build. It only counts as the bad kind of genocide if they're twirling their moustaches and cackling about how many natives they're going to murder.
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Jul 16, 2021 14:32
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Unfortunately, some of them definitely did that too
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Jul 16, 2021 14:34
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"Our" Métis, hmm? What was it Arivia said about people who merely get the shibboleths wrong out of ignorance being indistinguishable from the people who screw them up on purpose to inflame?
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Jul 16, 2021 14:54
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infernal machines posted:Unfortunately, some of them definitely did that too Sure, but that doesn't excuse the super nice settlers who did an oopsie and accidentally genocided a population building their nice little farm. "Accidentally" might be the wrong word, but my point is at the level of genocide, intentions don't really matter.
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Jul 16, 2021 14:55
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So, looping back to my previous comments on state actors admonishing each other over human rights violations, I'm to going to say that there's nothing surprising about what Pallister et. al. is saying, and in fact it's more or less in line with what Trudeau is saying, conservatives are just worse at the doublespeak. Trudeau hasn't actually rejected our colonial ancestors or any of the narratives of survival and perseverance Canada attaches to them, he just looks mopey and says he understands. The narrative that the liberals are pushing for why residential schools happened the way they did is past naïveté. It's the same thing as with any other civil rights/progressive movement that is swallowed up into the liberal hegemon, at least symbolically. "The reason that our white ancestors were terrible was because they just didn't know any better, they hadn't learned that natives were humans yet, just like they had learned that women were humans, or that gay people were human. There was no deliberate malice, it was just being in the backward past! Now, however, Canada is a bastion of human rights! And we're righting these wrongs by apologizing and/or having committees. But the fundamental liberal core of Canada's identity remains the same, we were always multicultural, we were always a land of immigrants yearning to be free. Ignore the slavery of our early days, or the Chinese exclusion act, or every other terrible act of oppression the Canadian state enacted. Those are in the past!" This narrative conveniently avoids asking at what point our society transitioned from an evil oppressive one, to a bastion of liberal rights and democracy, obfuscating everything behind the general lazy idea of the march of progress. Because the truth is that the government deciding to slam a pipeline through native lands is a continuation of the same legacy that everybody is pushing so hard to divorce modern Canada from. Residential schools were enacted as a way to get rid of people who had claim to the lands that they wanted to exploit economically. That's why, in the late 19th to the early 20th century, you see the numbered treaties get enacted superfast across the bulk of the Canadian landmass. Because all of a sudden all that land that nobody gave a poo poo about was suddenly worth something, in mineral and oil rights. At the same time you see the residential school system set up as a way of purging these groups whose continued existence was a direct threat to the exploitation plans of the Canadian elite. The Canadian public may have evolved somewhat in its position with regards to the first Nations, Inuit and Metis. But the Canadian state is still directly threatened by the sovereignty that they hold. So they are continuously fighting against it still, and there's never been a break in that fight. So how do you mesh this continued state viciousness with Canada's self-image abroad, and in particular with the broad need to defend a western style democracies against perceived competitive threats? You invent the above, the narrative that let you split the actions of the Canadian state in the past from the present one. Like how the Americans separate slavery from their current carceral state, or all the European countries literally pretend that their colonial Epoque didn't happen at all, or that their atrocities in Africa and Asia are in ancient history and not happening through the 1970s. If anything, I think Pallister and co. are being more genuinly honest in their stupid racism and white supremacism, not being able to recognize the inherent contradictions of Canadian history currently being exposed and tapdance around it with vague gestures the liberals do.
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Jul 16, 2021 15:09
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enki42 posted:Sure, but that doesn't excuse the super nice settlers who did an oopsie and accidentally genocided a population building their nice little farm. I agree, I'm just pointing out that even "they had good intentions" is a lie in a lot of cases. They had intentions. Trying to obfuscate a genocide because some people maybe meant well is disgusting, but, also, most people did not mean well. At the very best they were indifferent. Plenty didn't think Aboriginals were people, and so had no qualms about what happened to them. Then you have people like the great Sir John A. Macdonald, father of confederation, who definitely had some thoughts on the value of Aboriginal peoples in Canada.
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Jul 16, 2021 15:09
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Pallister has always been honest. He's always been honest about being a religious fundy shithead with open contempt for secularism and minorities. I've never considered him a liar, he's just an openly hostile monster.
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Jul 16, 2021 15:14
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The first residential schools open in 1880. We aren't talking about courer-des-bois and New France here. Most of the genocide we are specifically focusing on here happened post WWII. Like the nutritional experiments, the deliberate starvation that was enacted in Kenora, among other places, was in the 50s. Post genocide convention. It's convenient to lump all this into this hazy past of atrocities, but really, this is a legacy of modern Canada, democratic canada. It's way past the point at which Canada developed a national identity. It's absurd the way we distance these events in our collective memories from the present. We still have yearly honouring of Vimy Ridge, but this poo poo is part of some distance past that surely doesn't apply anymore!
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Jul 16, 2021 15:17
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