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Yossarian-22
Oct 26, 2014
Probation
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Dreddout posted:

Sry but if I'm gonna read a screed about why antifa is bad it's not gonna be from the tendency who's poster boy was let out of jail by Mussolini due to not being a threat to italian fascism in any perceivable way

That's mostly memes. Rosa Luxemburg, Paul Mattick, and Anton Pannakoek are equally held up by leftcoms.

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Dreddout
Oct 1, 2015

You must stay drunk on writing so reality cannot destroy you.

Yossarian-22 posted:

That's mostly memes.

Yes I'm aware we are referring to left communism

KomradeX
Oct 29, 2011

AnimeIsTrash posted:

most of us are paid by the CIA

Hey, that's unfair I work for the FBI

AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018
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https://twitter.com/TrueAnonPod/status/1415367436170321934

Doktor Avalanche
Dec 30, 2008

https://twitter.com/InfraHaz/status/1415505168280477697

Top City Homo
Oct 15, 2014


Ramrod XTreme
will no one rid us of these meddlesome priests?

LittleBlackCloud
Mar 5, 2007
xXI love Plum JuiceXx
An anarchist told me today that my opinion that any recommendation of signal should come with a disclosure that it receives funding from us gov is triggering.

PhilippAchtel
May 31, 2011

https://twitter.com/Merzboner/status/1415875639849242625

AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018
Probation
Can't post for 5 hours!

dudes rock

Buck Wildman
Mar 30, 2010

I am Metango, Galactic Governor


Kaedric
Sep 5, 2000

https://twitter.com/Shibefield/status/1415907449794568193

lol

MLSM
Apr 3, 2021

by Azathoth

lol

CHIMlord
Jul 1, 2012

You know, this picture is interesting. What if the two figures are not working in opposition, but rather side by side? What if they're the same person? You gotta deconstruct the old world in order to build a new, functional one in its place.

This should maybe go in the magic thread, but the figures also represent the first (nigredo: dissolution, burning) and last (rubedo: reconstruction and reintegration) of the alchemical Great Work.

Rutibex
Sep 9, 2001

by Fluffdaddy

CHIMlord posted:

This should maybe go in the magic thread, but the figures also represent the first (nigredo: dissolution, burning) and last (rubedo: reconstruction and reintegration) of the alchemical Great Work.

:hmmyes:
that would make a good tarot card. Two of Hammers

mcclay
Jul 8, 2013

Oh dear oh gosh oh darn
Soiled Meat
Ashley Babbit did deserve it and anyone, like Top City Homo, who thinks otherwise is either a loving liberal, a rectionary in disguise or a peral clutching social fascist.

Mao said that the death of someone serving the people is heavier than a mountain and the death of those serving the enemy is lighter than a feather. Ashley Babbit was a fascist, a servant of the imperalist state and a foot soldier of reaction. Like all those who stand against the people her death is a posititve for the revolution. The death of the man who shot her, a fascist pig and guardian of the halls of US imperial power, should also be called for.

When our enemies shoot each other we should not cry and whine and say bad things about those who celebrate it. We should celebrate it too, for by doing so our enemies divide themselves and heighten the contradictions between each other to a fatal point. Better that the bullet of the pig go into a fascist than it go into a communist. By focusing and criticizing the anarchists for this correct line, we both weaken the correct line in our organizations and take focus off the myriad of ways in which anarchists push a poo poo bad false line.

Anyways, Top City Homo is a chud charlatan playing the same right wing 'antifa is a organization' card that FOX and MSNBC love to do. Anti-fascist work is a type of work, not some mass monolith group. Most of the effective antifascists I've known are Maoists and MLs. It is a tool in the tool belt of the revolutionary, and a very niche one at that. I agree with the criticism of it, that it defends more 'humane' forms of capitalism by putting all the focus on the most slavering ghouls of fascism. However it is sometimes nesscarry and should be carried out as part of a united front. Anyone who fetishzes antifa, positively or negatively, and focuses on it when the fascists have been driven off of the street and given a beating should be at the very least seen as a loving dumbass. Black bloc and antifa should only be used when the fash march against us. At all other times work with the masses to help guide them and educate them.

anyways i will have a fries with my list of Posting Enemies.

animist
Aug 28, 2018

LittleBlackCloud posted:

An anarchist told me today that my opinion that any recommendation of signal should come with a disclosure that it receives funding from us gov is triggering.

lol wait I didn't know that

LittleBlackCloud
Mar 5, 2007
xXI love Plum JuiceXx

animist posted:

lol wait I didn't know that

Signal received at least 3 million dollars from the open technology fund which at the time was part of Radio Free Asia. Your messages are probably safe. And they said they had no metadata to give the FBI, but their servers do use the metadata for message delivery, there's really nothing stopping them from doing it at a later date, say during a period of civil unrest. It's probably more of a regime change kind of thing, but lol

It all depends on how much you trust a millionaire boat punk with white dreads who took money from a CIA cutout.

KomradeX
Oct 29, 2011

Rutibex posted:

:hmmyes:
that would make a good tarot card. Two of Hammers

Communist card deck suits, Hammers, Cogs, Tanks, & Stars (?)

mcclay
Jul 8, 2013

Oh dear oh gosh oh darn
Soiled Meat

LittleBlackCloud posted:

Signal received at least 3 million dollars from the open technology fund which at the time was part of Radio Free Asia. Your messages are probably safe. And they said they had no metadata to give the FBI, but their servers do use the metadata for message delivery, there's really nothing stopping them from doing it at a later date, say during a period of civil unrest. It's probably more of a regime change kind of thing, but lol

It all depends on how much you trust a millionaire boat punk with white dreads who took money from a CIA cutout.

don't use any messaging services during for revoluintary activity during a period of social unrest smh

PhilippAchtel
May 31, 2011

KomradeX posted:

Communist card deck suits, Hammers, Cogs, Tanks, & Stars (?)

Sickles

LittleBlackCloud
Mar 5, 2007
xXI love Plum JuiceXx

mcclay posted:

don't use any messaging services during for revoluintary activity during a period of social unrest smh

yes

MLSM
Apr 3, 2021

by Azathoth

mcclay posted:

Ashley Babbit did deserve it and anyone, like Top City Homo, who thinks otherwise is either a loving liberal, a rectionary in disguise or a peral clutching social fascist.

Mao said that the death of someone serving the people is heavier than a mountain and the death of those serving the enemy is lighter than a feather. Ashley Babbit was a fascist, a servant of the imperalist state and a foot soldier of reaction. Like all those who stand against the people her death is a posititve for the revolution. The death of the man who shot her, a fascist pig and guardian of the halls of US imperial power, should also be called for.

When our enemies shoot each other we should not cry and whine and say bad things about those who celebrate it. We should celebrate it too, for by doing so our enemies divide themselves and heighten the contradictions between each other to a fatal point. Better that the bullet of the pig go into a fascist than it go into a communist. By focusing and criticizing the anarchists for this correct line, we both weaken the correct line in our organizations and take focus off the myriad of ways in which anarchists push a poo poo bad false line.

Anyways, Top City Homo is a chud charlatan playing the same right wing 'antifa is a organization' card that FOX and MSNBC love to do. Anti-fascist work is a type of work, not some mass monolith group. Most of the effective antifascists I've known are Maoists and MLs. It is a tool in the tool belt of the revolutionary, and a very niche one at that. I agree with the criticism of it, that it defends more 'humane' forms of capitalism by putting all the focus on the most slavering ghouls of fascism. However it is sometimes nesscarry and should be carried out as part of a united front. Anyone who fetishzes antifa, positively or negatively, and focuses on it when the fascists have been driven off of the street and given a beating should be at the very least seen as a loving dumbass. Black bloc and antifa should only be used when the fash march against us. At all other times work with the masses to help guide them and educate them.

anyways i will have a fries with my list of Posting Enemies.

the problem with antifa is half of them are cops and the other half are anarchists (liberals) hth

KomradeX
Oct 29, 2011


Ahh yeah that's very obvious in hindsight, what replaces Jack, Queen, and King? General Secretary, Premier, Comrade?. Jokers just become Anarchists

mcclay
Jul 8, 2013

Oh dear oh gosh oh darn
Soiled Meat

MLSM posted:

the problem with antifa is half of them are cops and the other half are anarchists (liberals) hth

stalin would've rightly had you shot as a wrecker

MLSM
Apr 3, 2021

by Azathoth

mcclay posted:

stalin would've rightly had you shot as a wrecker

nah he rightly shot anarchists as wreckers hth

animist
Aug 28, 2018

mcclay posted:

don't use any messaging services during for revoluintary activity during a period of social unrest smh

i always think of that u.s. military exercise where the red team used flashing-mirror signals, motorcycle couriers, and lovely fishing boats to beat the super-high-tech blue team

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millennium_Challenge_2002

computers are the tools of the enemy and should be treated as hostile imo

Epic High Five
Jun 5, 2004



It definitely didnt help that they openly declared their intention to wreck the revolution just as soon as they could

mcclay
Jul 8, 2013

Oh dear oh gosh oh darn
Soiled Meat

MLSM posted:

nah he rightly shot anarchists as wreckers hth

he also shot liberals, fascists and deluded wreckers such as yourself, hth

PhilippAchtel
May 31, 2011

KomradeX posted:

Ahh yeah that's very obvious in hindsight, what replaces Jack, Queen, and King? General Secretary, Premier, Comrade?. Jokers just become Anarchists

Master, Journeyman, Apprentice

Maybe replace cogs with books or quills. DPRK is right to recognize intellectual pursuits as a form of labour equal to industrial and agricultural. Keep the tanks though lol.

PhilippAchtel has issued a correction as of 01:20 on Jul 17, 2021

Azathoth
Apr 3, 2001

animist posted:

i always think of that u.s. military exercise where the red team used flashing-mirror signals, motorcycle couriers, and lovely fishing boats to beat the super-high-tech blue team

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millennium_Challenge_2002

computers are the tools of the enemy and should be treated as hostile imo
When you drill down into what actually happened with the wargame there, it's less "low tech vs. high tech" and more rules lawyering being taken to an insane degree, with hilarious consequences. Seriously, it's somehow even dumber than reported.

However, the point about not using electronic communication is very valid though insisting on having a warning about Signal being government funded is not seeing the forest for the trees.

Absolutely nothing should ever be sent electronically that you wouldn't be okay with some government agent reading at a minimum after the fact, if not in real time. Signal is almost certainly safe in the moment, in that you won't have cops reading what you're sending right then, but that's about the most you can guarantee.

I'd bet good money that the device I'm typing this on and the device you're reading this on both have unknown hardware vulnerabilities inserted into them by intelligence agencies that allow them to do pretty much anything they want to do, let alone "good faith" vulnerabilities that just weren't caught.

This is the modern panopticon, and the sooner people realize that anything sent electronically should be considered defacto compromised, the better.

docbeard
Jul 19, 2011

There is no such thing as secure electronic communication.

KomradeX
Oct 29, 2011

PhilippAchtel posted:

Master, Journeyman, Apprentice

Maybe replace cogs with books or quills. DPRK is right to recognize intellectual pursuits as a form of labour equal to industrial and agricultural. Keep the tanks though lol.

Idk Master, Journeyman, and Apprentice sound more guild than Union to me even if modern unions still use the nomenclature, maybe Worker, Peasant, capitalist (?), maybe the Lumpen proletariat instead, but you kind of want a singular name.

Yeah Quills might work best be easier to depict on the cards

Rutibex
Sep 9, 2001

by Fluffdaddy

Azathoth posted:

When you drill down into what actually happened with the wargame there, it's less "low tech vs. high tech" and more rules lawyering being taken to an insane degree, with hilarious consequences. Seriously, it's somehow even dumber than reported.

However, the point about not using electronic communication is very valid though insisting on having a warning about Signal being government funded is not seeing the forest for the trees.

Absolutely nothing should ever be sent electronically that you wouldn't be okay with some government agent reading at a minimum after the fact, if not in real time. Signal is almost certainly safe in the moment, in that you won't have cops reading what you're sending right then, but that's about the most you can guarantee.

I'd bet good money that the device I'm typing this on and the device you're reading this on both have unknown hardware vulnerabilities inserted into them by intelligence agencies that allow them to do pretty much anything they want to do, let alone "good faith" vulnerabilities that just weren't caught.

This is the modern panopticon, and the sooner people realize that anything sent electronically should be considered defacto compromised, the better.

the illuminati bribed alen turing to slip a back door into the vacuum tubes of the first computer and it has been compiled into every program ever since

thotsky
Jun 7, 2005

hot to trot
hth

PhilippAchtel
May 31, 2011

KomradeX posted:

Idk Master, Journeyman, and Apprentice sound more guild than Union to me even if modern unions still use the nomenclature, maybe Worker, Peasant, capitalist (?), maybe the Lumpen proletariat instead, but you kind of want a singular name.

Yeah Quills might work best be easier to depict on the cards

Yeah, I understand that objection. It doesn't bother me so much because it's a ranked system that's focused on workers rather than aristocracy or politicians, and it melds with the theme of each suit being a type or profession. Master of Hammers, Journeyman of Sickles, etc.

But what's the ranking of the suits in bridge? This is the stuff that fractures movements.

PhilippAchtel has issued a correction as of 13:31 on Jul 17, 2021

Dr. Poz
Sep 8, 2003

Dr. Poz just diagnosed you with a serious case of being a pussy. Now get back out there and hit them till you can't remember your kid's name.

Pillbug

mcclay posted:

he also shot liberals, fascists and deluded wreckers such as yourself, hth

yeah we'll he'd probably shoot me before either of you (because i'd want to be his friend but probably end up annoying him)

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


Fun Shoe
sorry for dragging up a million-year old convo, but wanting a vanguard party basicallly just means the opinion that socialism ain't gonna build itself (or at least not in time to stave off barbarism), which ought to be extremely obvious to anyone living in the western world

like, organization loving works, especially when you're doing difficult and dangerous poo poo, and to think you can just do without discipline and a chain of command when going up against the full power of the state is just deluded

Kaedric
Sep 5, 2000

mcclay posted:

Ashley Babbit did deserve it and anyone, like Top City Homo, who thinks otherwise is either a loving liberal, a rectionary in disguise or a peral clutching social fascist.

Mao said that the death of someone serving the people is heavier than a mountain and the death of those serving the enemy is lighter than a feather. Ashley Babbit was a fascist, a servant of the imperalist state and a foot soldier of reaction. Like all those who stand against the people her death is a posititve for the revolution. The death of the man who shot her, a fascist pig and guardian of the halls of US imperial power, should also be called for.

When our enemies shoot each other we should not cry and whine and say bad things about those who celebrate it. We should celebrate it too, for by doing so our enemies divide themselves and heighten the contradictions between each other to a fatal point. Better that the bullet of the pig go into a fascist than it go into a communist. By focusing and criticizing the anarchists for this correct line, we both weaken the correct line in our organizations and take focus off the myriad of ways in which anarchists push a poo poo bad false line.

Anyways, Top City Homo is a chud charlatan playing the same right wing 'antifa is a organization' card that FOX and MSNBC love to do. Anti-fascist work is a type of work, not some mass monolith group. Most of the effective antifascists I've known are Maoists and MLs. It is a tool in the tool belt of the revolutionary, and a very niche one at that. I agree with the criticism of it, that it defends more 'humane' forms of capitalism by putting all the focus on the most slavering ghouls of fascism. However it is sometimes nesscarry and should be carried out as part of a united front. Anyone who fetishzes antifa, positively or negatively, and focuses on it when the fascists have been driven off of the street and given a beating should be at the very least seen as a loving dumbass. Black bloc and antifa should only be used when the fash march against us. At all other times work with the masses to help guide them and educate them.

anyways i will have a fries with my list of Posting Enemies.

mcclay
Jul 8, 2013

Oh dear oh gosh oh darn
Soiled Meat

Dr. Poz posted:

yeah we'll he'd probably shoot me before either of you (because i'd want to be his friend but probably end up annoying him)

Don't say that comrade, I'm sure he'd think you are Very Cool!

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Brain Candy
May 18, 2006

mcclay posted:

Ashley Babbit did deserve it and anyone, like Top City Homo, who thinks otherwise is either a loving liberal, a rectionary in disguise or a peral clutching social fascist.

Mao said that the death of someone serving the people is heavier than a mountain and the death of those serving the enemy is lighter than a feather. Ashley Babbit was a fascist, a servant of the imperalist state and a foot soldier of reaction. Like all those who stand against the people her death is a posititve for the revolution. The death of the man who shot her, a fascist pig and guardian of the halls of US imperial power, should also be called for.

When our enemies shoot each other we should not cry and whine and say bad things about those who celebrate it. We should celebrate it too, for by doing so our enemies divide themselves and heighten the contradictions between each other to a fatal point. Better that the bullet of the pig go into a fascist than it go into a communist. By focusing and criticizing the anarchists for this correct line, we both weaken the correct line in our organizations and take focus off the myriad of ways in which anarchists push a poo poo bad false line.

Anyways, Top City Homo is a chud charlatan playing the same right wing 'antifa is a organization' card that FOX and MSNBC love to do. Anti-fascist work is a type of work, not some mass monolith group. Most of the effective antifascists I've known are Maoists and MLs. It is a tool in the tool belt of the revolutionary, and a very niche one at that. I agree with the criticism of it, that it defends more 'humane' forms of capitalism by putting all the focus on the most slavering ghouls of fascism. However it is sometimes nesscarry and should be carried out as part of a united front. Anyone who fetishzes antifa, positively or negatively, and focuses on it when the fascists have been driven off of the street and given a beating should be at the very least seen as a loving dumbass. Black bloc and antifa should only be used when the fash march against us. At all other times work with the masses to help guide them and educate them.

anyways i will have a fries with my list of Posting Enemies.

no

this anti-dialectical garbage, it replaces analysis with emotion, with 'deserve'. the disregard for the lives of enemies comes not from the idea that they bear some Christian sin but instead the knowledge that they will not stop until they are stopped

to then defend anarchists either forgets or ignores that they are or will become enemies. that they are morally 'better' in some sense in recognizing the current evils is not of use if they will not engage in action that in reality corrects them: this same moral superiority is born of liberals and by them, and fundementally makes them servants of stasis. of course, in the moment it may be possible to share some common cause, but the nature of that alliance is never permanent and always with question of 'what are the consequences'

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