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Babysitter Super Sleuth posted:There’s definitely a video about this that also goes into how completely artificial and hindsight the hate actually is, but I cannot for the life of me remember who did it or what it was called I found one by Second Chance last year and how honestly the hate for Scrappy is... kinda strange.
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Jul 15, 2021 21:02
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Scrappy was popular when he was first introduced but then started to take over the entire show as they tried to cash in on his popularity. Daphne, Velma, and Fred were written out of the show to save money on voice actors and all their roles were taken over by Scrappy. It basically became the Scrappy show and that's why people soured on him. He became associated with the declining quality of Scooby Doo in the 80's.
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Jul 15, 2021 21:06
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Augus posted:Scrappy was popular when he was first introduced but then started to take over the entire show as they tried to cash in on his popularity. Daphne, Velma, and Fred were written out of the show to save money on voice actors and all their roles were taken over by Scrappy. It basically became the Scrappy show and that's why people soured on him. He became associated with the declining quality of Scooby Doo in the 80's. He was transparently what the Poochie joke in Simpsons was inspired a good deal by lol, "When Poochie's not on screen everyone should be asking where's Poochie"
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Jul 15, 2021 21:15
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Also Scrappy was deliberately written to be the opposite in personality to Scooby which meant he was loud, constantly picked fights, and generally caused problems unnecessarily and that stops being funny very quickly.
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Jul 15, 2021 21:28
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I liked Scrappy as a kid, so they did something right.
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Jul 15, 2021 22:16
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I did not.
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Jul 15, 2021 22:32
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Scrappy didn't make it better or worse for me because Scooby Doo was already bad in the first place
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Jul 15, 2021 22:47
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The video I liked put Scrappy on the same level as Shemp from the Three Stooges but everybody knows Joe Besser was the worst Stooge. (Primarily because he didn't want to take full on physical hits like the others did.)
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Jul 15, 2021 23:09
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Augus posted:Scrappy was popular when he was first introduced but then started to take over the entire show as they tried to cash in on his popularity. Daphne, Velma, and Fred were written out of the show to save money on voice actors and all their roles were taken over by Scrappy. It basically became the Scrappy show and that's why people soured on him. He became associated with the declining quality of Scooby Doo in the 80's. Small correction: Daphne was emphatically NOT written out of the show when Scrappy showed up. Fred, Daphne and Velma were written out for a series of 7-minute shorts that were produced and aired during the 1980-82 season, but these were never part of an independent Scooby-Doo series and were only released as part of compilation series that mixed them in with other Hanna-Barbera shorts like The Richie-Rich/Scooby-Doo Show. The actual, stand-alone shows that included Scrappy-Doo (The New Scooby and Scrappy-Doo Show and The 13 Ghosts of Scooby Doo) all included Daphne as part of the regular cast, and actually marked the start of Daphne's character evolution from "The ditzy liability who doesn't do anything" into a competent character in her own right as she mostly took over Fred and Velma's roles as the one that actually got poo poo done. Neo_Crimson posted:Also Scrappy was deliberately written to be the opposite in personality to Scooby which meant he was loud, constantly picked fights, and generally caused problems unnecessarily and that stops being funny very quickly. It's actually gotten a little bit lost during pop cultural osmosis, but Scrappy was never actually a liability for the rest of the gang in the episodes he showed up in. While he was loud and always wanted to fight the monsters they encountered one-on-one and Shaggy and Scooby had to constantly pull him out of the way of the various monsters they ran into out of fear for his safety, his original schtick was that when he actually got a chance to straight up fight any of the monsters like he wanted he just completely wrecked rear end. One of the major recurring gags he had in his original appearances was that, despite being a one-foot tall puppy, he was cartoonishly strong and half the time Shaggy and Scooby had to hold him back not because he was incapable of beating up the monsters, but because he was too much of an engine of destruction with no mind for collateral damage.
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Jul 16, 2021 00:10
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I don't like how Scrappy Doo is meant to be like a puppy but he talks with an adult voice.
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Jul 16, 2021 00:30
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I liked Flim-Flam as a kid.
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Jul 16, 2021 00:43
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Inside a Mind did a Scrappy Doo video many years ago. Haven't rewatched it since it went up, but it's the first thing I thought of when the question was asked. Added bonus, it's only 15 minutes long.
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Jul 16, 2021 00:56
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Nuns with Guns posted:I liked Flim-Flam as a kid. Vincent Price was the real draw.
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Jul 16, 2021 01:26
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Billiam did a Scooby-Doo retrospective that had a lot to say about Scrappy through the years. On mobile or I'd link it.
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Jul 16, 2021 01:42
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DoctorWhat posted:Billiam did a Scooby-Doo retrospective that had a lot to say about Scrappy through the years. On mobile or I'd link it. Here is the playlist: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLThLwahQOJ9aFUboBHIRrbfetU70R0QIo
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Jul 16, 2021 01:49
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Arcsquad12 posted:Vincent Price was the real draw. In retrospect he's the best part, but when you're 8 he's just the silly dracula man. The 2nd best part in retrospect is this song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DoR_gWLHfpw
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Jul 16, 2021 03:52
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what kind of 8 are you if the best part of any show isn't the silly dracula man?
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Jul 16, 2021 04:00
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Speaking personally, I was more into the episodes with Cher and the Harlem Globetrotters.
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Jul 16, 2021 04:04
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Ghostlight posted:what kind of 8 are you if the best part of any show isn't the silly dracula man? It's a show with two talking dogs where they hunt ghosts and at one point have an "It's a Wonderful Life"-esque episode where Scooby goes to a Mad Max future and Scrappy and Flim-Flam are in a biker gang  It's a cartoon that really messes with your child barometer on silliness.
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Jul 16, 2021 04:04
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I admittedly haven't watched anything Scooby Doo since I was over at a friend's house and they were watching one of the movies - I think like Camp Fright or something - and what stuck with me was Daphne's character designer for the movie seemed more than a little thirsty.
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Jul 16, 2021 12:28
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Macaluso posted:Scrappy didn't make it better or worse for me because Scooby Doo was already bad in the first place How loving dare you.
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Jul 16, 2021 16:04
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Always hated obnoxious/belligerent/precocious child characters. Especially one's added to the cast later. I never thought the Scrappy hate was weird honestly. It fit that to me.
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Jul 16, 2021 16:17
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Count me as pro-Scrappy. I'm not like, president of his fan club or anything, but I was always baffled that he was considered some horrible stain on the franchise.
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Jul 16, 2021 16:26
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KingKalamari posted:Small correction: Daphne was emphatically NOT written out of the show when Scrappy showed up. Fred, Daphne and Velma were written out for a series of 7-minute shorts that were produced and aired during the 1980-82 season, but these were never part of an independent Scooby-Doo series and were only released as part of compilation series that mixed them in with other Hanna-Barbera shorts like The Richie-Rich/Scooby-Doo Show. The actual, stand-alone shows that included Scrappy-Doo (The New Scooby and Scrappy-Doo Show and The 13 Ghosts of Scooby Doo) all included Daphne as part of the regular cast, and actually marked the start of Daphne's character evolution from "The ditzy liability who doesn't do anything" into a competent character in her own right as she mostly took over Fred and Velma's roles as the one that actually got poo poo done. Probably doesn't help that there were like 4 different Scooby Doo shows around by the time I was watching cartoons so I could never really keep track. I still think that A Pup Named Scooby Doo was the best because it was actually a cartoon and not 19 animations recycled across different backgrounds over and over again like Scooby Doo Where Are You. John Murdoch posted:Count me as pro-Scrappy. I'm not like, president of his fan club or anything, but I was always baffled that he was considered some horrible stain on the franchise. This is about as hard as I ever came down on Scrappy too yeah. I thought it was weird that he ended up being the big villain in the live action one they made in like 2002. Been going through old podcasts episodes of some of the stuff I'm subscribed to and it stuck out to me enough to actually remember it after work for once.
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Jul 16, 2021 16:55
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star trek tng question, what about Wesley hate, is that legit or not?
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Jul 16, 2021 17:57
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His character was mostly unbearable for the first season and much of the 2nd season as well yeah. But the hate Weaton got was of course unwarranted.
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Jul 16, 2021 18:09
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Probably still over-exaggerated to some degree. Sure, Wesley sucked in early TNG, but so did pretty much everything else. He was pretty bad though.
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Jul 16, 2021 18:11
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Iirc the situation was that they were developing multiple scripts for a single Wesley focused episode but after the writers went on strike they ended up filming them all which had the effect of making Wesley feel like something of a Mary Sue what with him saving the crew of the enterprise every other episode.
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Jul 16, 2021 18:31
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Wesley became less of a hassle after he stopped being a show regular. The child prodigy thing wasn't a bad character choice, but it was how he was used in the series for seasons 1-3, because he was always the one with the solution and always insufferable because of it. Once he left and became a guest star he's a lot more tolerable. The First Duty is the best Wesley episode and I even enjoy the schlock fun of The Game where the whole crew gets brainwashed by a video game and it's up to Wes to save the day.
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Jul 16, 2021 19:07
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Wesley is a walking embodiment of TNG season 1. Got off to a really bad start, but became very inoffensive and occasionally enjoyable after that. Plus, extremely representative of Gene Wesley Roddenberry
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Jul 16, 2021 19:24
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrvdbqJXksU Thought Slime spends 15 minutes talking about The Quartering's weird horny She Ra tweet.
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Jul 16, 2021 20:51
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The Quartering keeps owning himself I see..
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Jul 16, 2021 21:19
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PhazonLink posted:star trek tng question, what about Wesley hate, is that legit or not? his name was Wesley Crusher, because he crushed my desire to watch Star Trek though that one episode where Picard gets mad at him and screams at him is one of my favorites
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Jul 16, 2021 21:29
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muscles like this! posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrvdbqJXksU I really get why Jeremy's alleged wife constantly locks him down in his piss basement and goes out to dinner alone all the time. She's tired of being the hypotenuse in a love triangle between herself, her alleged husband, and a cavalcade of other women who only exist in Jeremy's rapidly baldening head who he's clearly much more attracted to. At this point she is clearly only sticking around because Jeremy is an alleged millionaire.
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Jul 16, 2021 21:33
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Libluini posted:his name was Wesley Crusher, because he crushed my desire to watch Star Trek The First Duty is high in the running for best episode of the series among many fans. Not entirely because Picard delivers a devastating dressing down to the punk… but definitely a significant contribution. (I mean, it made the Picard Song!)
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Jul 16, 2021 22:04
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CmdrKing posted:The First Duty is high in the running for best episode of the series among many fans. Not entirely because Picard delivers a devastating dressing down to the punk… but definitely a significant contribution. You could say the same about Menage a Troi then. The last three minutes of Menage a Troi are amazing, don't get me wrong, but it also requires you to watch the preceding 41 minutes of Menage a Troi to get there...
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Jul 16, 2021 22:09
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Libluini posted:his name was Wesley Crusher, because he crushed my desire to watch Star Trek On a wider tangent, has any "Alright, for the new version of this, we are adding a kid character children can identifiy with!" attempt ever managed to not fall flat on its face? As a child, I remember wanting to be cool jedi/captain/explorer, not his sidekick that maybe gets to untie the main character or get praised by the adults for being such a smart runt who just may do something in the future.
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Jul 16, 2021 22:31
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Sephyr posted:On a wider tangent, has any "Alright, for the new version of this, we are adding a kid character children can identifiy with!" attempt ever managed to not fall flat on its face? Off the top of my head: Sari Sumdac from Transformers: Animated and Ezra Bridger from Star Wars Rebels ended up being fairly well received, though both of them were only new editions to existing franchises but were part of their respective works in said franchise from the beginning. I think the x factor that made them well receive3d was that they received pretty extensive character development and changed/matured as their series went on.
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Jul 16, 2021 22:38
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I don't recall if the Jonathan Brandis character on seaquest was bad or not because I can barely remember anything about the show apart how it managed to get every member of the Deluise family but I *think* he was okay?
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Jul 16, 2021 23:28
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KingKalamari posted:Off the top of my head: Sari Sumdac from Transformers: Animated and Ezra Bridger from Star Wars Rebels ended up being fairly well received, though both of them were only new editions to existing franchises but were part of their respective works in said franchise from the beginning. I think the x factor that made them well receive3d was that they received pretty extensive character development and changed/matured as their series went on. As far as Transformers goes, hasn't it always had characters like that for the viewers to identify with? Sari was just the latest one of that.
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