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Invalido
Dec 28, 2005

BICHAELING
I've lived in my current row house for two years now. I have no garage but there's a detached shed which has been really messy and underutilized since I moved in, but this week I finally got around to fix it up primarily for bike parking. I repainted the exterior and removed a bunch of junk and some furniture inside, put up some shelving and freed up floorspace in general. Now it easily swallows twice as many bikes as before. My bakfiets will still live outside most of the time since its huge, unless I'm working on it in foul weather or it needs a defrost in the winter, which is also pretty much the only time I run the heat in there. It's an insulated space but I tend to keep it unheated most of the time.

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Phosphine
May 30, 2011

WHY, JUDY?! WHY?!
🤰🐰🆚🥪🦊
I have some sort of slippers in my office, and also bikeshoes that look almost shoe-like, which covers all my "not walking around in stupid shoes"-needs. Last winter, before I stopped ever going to the office, I got into the habit of bringing a change in my panniers and commuting in bike clothing, which did wonders for being disgusting all day.

Jazz Marimba
Jan 4, 2012

Bilirubin posted:

Ortliebs rate as a good pannier bag?

i picked the big ones up a month ago and they’re *amazing*

my only gripe is my laptop weighs more than everything else i carry combined, so if i walk my bike it has a tendency to lean/push/roll to one side. completely unnoticeable while riding though

Bilirubin
Feb 16, 2014

The sanctioned action is to CHUG


Jazz Marimba posted:

i picked the big ones up a month ago and they’re *amazing*

my only gripe is my laptop weighs more than everything else i carry combined, so if i walk my bike it has a tendency to lean/push/roll to one side. completely unnoticeable while riding though

Have to say the laptop compartment is a huge selling point for me.

Great, many thanks again thread! I'm going to start putting a few days a week in the office for my partner's mental well being and my physical needs. Too long staying home has led to the development of some issues that exercise will help solve!

wooger
Apr 16, 2005

YOU RESENT?

Bilirubin posted:

Ortliebs rate as a good pannier bag?

They’re the best, and not even expensive compared to alternatives where I am.

Waterproof enough to use as an ice cooler for beer.

Tough enough that you could just drag them behind your bike and they’d still make it.

Jazz Marimba posted:

i picked the big ones up a month ago and they’re *amazing*

my only gripe is my laptop weighs more than everything else i carry combined, so if i walk my bike it has a tendency to lean/push/roll to one side. completely unnoticeable while riding though

They’re clearly the best way to carry a laptop, yet it’s still a pain to lug 15” workstation laptops about when you know how nice it is to ride with nothing on the back.

bicievino
Feb 5, 2015

kimbo305 posted:

Many people would tell you they're the gold standard.

More the orange standard

SimonSays
Aug 4, 2006

Simon is the monkey's name

wooger posted:

They’re the best, and not even expensive compared to alternatives where I am.

Waterproof enough to use as an ice cooler for beer.

Tough enough that you could just drag them behind your bike and they’d still make it.


Do use them as a beer cooler, do NOT drag them behind your bike. They'll only make it through a few years of that.

The Wiggly Wizard
Aug 21, 2008


I will add to the chorus of Ortliebs being great. Sturdy, waterproof, ingenious quick release

EvilJoven
Mar 18, 2005

NOBODY,IN THE HISTORY OF EVER, HAS ASKED OR CARED WHAT CANADA THINKS. YOU ARE NOT A COUNTRY. YOUR MONEY HAS THE QUEEN OF ENGLAND ON IT. IF YOU DIG AROUND IN YOUR BACKYARD, NATIVE SKELETONS WOULD EXPLODE OUT OF YOUR LAWN LIKE THE END OF POLTERGEIST. CANADA IS SO POLITE, EH?
Fun Shoe

Invalido posted:

I've lived in my current row house for two years now. I have no garage but there's a detached shed

Reinforce the poo poo out of that door if you can. Sheds and detached garages are a prime target for thieves. Buddy of mine just had his road bike gravel bike and fat bike nicked just this morning from his garage.

When we get back from our weekend we're going to be shopping for a new garage door system with automatic car door dead bolts to go along with the reinforced steel man door we installed last year after my first Journeyman and her MTB were both stolen from ours.

learnincurve
May 15, 2014

Smoosh
I got multiple motorbike chains with many onguard and albus locks forming a bike king rat in my big shed.

EvilJoven
Mar 18, 2005

NOBODY,IN THE HISTORY OF EVER, HAS ASKED OR CARED WHAT CANADA THINKS. YOU ARE NOT A COUNTRY. YOUR MONEY HAS THE QUEEN OF ENGLAND ON IT. IF YOU DIG AROUND IN YOUR BACKYARD, NATIVE SKELETONS WOULD EXPLODE OUT OF YOUR LAWN LIKE THE END OF POLTERGEIST. CANADA IS SO POLITE, EH?
Fun Shoe
If things get any worse with theft here my garage security system is going to have FRONT TOWARD ENEMY written on some of its components.

My bikes live in the house at least but that's only half my worries.

EvilJoven fucked around with this message at 16:11 on Jul 17, 2021

evil_bunnY
Apr 2, 2003

Bilirubin posted:

Ortliebs rate as a good pannier bag?
Literally the best for most applications. If you buy one with no zippers it'll probably end up in your will.

Mauser
Dec 16, 2003

How did I even get here, son?!
Pretty much everybody we passed on the GAP trail to Pittsburgh the other month that was carrying anything had the Ortlieb bags as well as me and another guy in our group. They're fantastic and I regularly go grocery shopping with them or bring back a couple ~30lb bags of dirt from the hardware store in them. The only thing I noticed is that you probably want to open them up if you're using the shoulder strap and carrying significant weight because the straps are on the top of the bag which would normally be rolled down

Coxswain Balls
Jun 4, 2001

I found an Ortlieb sitting in a flooded ditch a week after its owner was smoked by a car going 100km/h with all its contents still dry as a bone. The only thing damaged were the attachment hooks so once I can get the hardware shipped to my country at a reasonable price it'll be good as new.

She ended up okay and let me keep it since shipping it back to her would have been costly. I prefer panniers with pockets and compartments instead of a roll top, but it's the gold standard if that isn't a concern for you.

Literally Lewis Hamilton
Feb 22, 2005



Coxswain Balls posted:

I found an Ortlieb sitting in a flooded ditch a week after its owner was smoked by a car going 100km/h with all its contents still dry as a bone. The only thing damaged were the attachment hooks so once I can get the hardware shipped to my country at a reasonable price it'll be good as new.

She ended up okay and let me keep it since shipping it back to her would have been costly. I prefer panniers with pockets and compartments instead of a roll top, but it's the gold standard if that isn't a concern for you.

Ortlieb makes those too! I’ve got these and they’re great.

Big, a little more organization, and you can add attachment add ons.

https://www.ortlieb.com/usa_en/bike-packer-plus

ThirstyBuck
Nov 6, 2010

Update to progress on bike shopping.

There are really no bikes out there. I even stopped by Dick's just for laughs and it looked like a graveyard gallery of only the most horrendous bikes. All 6 of them.

I went back and rode the Sirrus X 4/5s again. The carbon frame model is nicer to ride wrt vibrations than the aluminum frame. Not having owned a carbon frame before, I thought that this was just a bunch of internet bike spurge lords yammering on about stuff that makes no difference. But it actually was more pleasant to be on.

I found a Specialized Diverge E5 Comp to try. It was nice and had all of the attachment points I would want for fenders, racks, and bottles, but I keep coming back to how comfy it was just to throw a leg over the Sirrus and to sit a bit more upright on the flat/riser bar bike. It has a little bit nicer components that the Sirrus models but is also about $1k more.



I think the issue I'm having is that there is a bike I want to like, the Diverge, and the bike that my body tells me is physically more enjoyable , the Sirrus. I already live in the burbs and drive a station wagon, I should just go for broke and get my old man hybrid.


E: I can dog pile on the Ortlieb praise; I've got a 10+ year old set and I just orders some new hooks for the top and they gotten little janky and don't fit tightly on my new racks.

jammyozzy
Dec 7, 2006
<img src="https://fi.somethingawful.com/customtitles/title-jammyozzy.gif"><br>Is that a challenge?
Does anybody have recommendations for a commuting backpack that can swallow a 17" laptop*, a change of clothes and some lunch? The laptop physically won't go in my current bag.

Has to be completely waterproof for ~30 mins so I can carry said laptop through British weather, but I don't mind if that involves a cover that goes over it. A couple of mesh pockets so I can carry a coffee flask on the outside would be nice, but not essential.

*I know the real answer here is get a smaller laptop, but it's a work issued workstation replacement that I'm lucky to have at all so I'm trying to make the best of it.

Literally Lewis Hamilton
Feb 22, 2005



jammyozzy posted:

Does anybody have recommendations for a commuting backpack that can swallow a 17" laptop*, a change of clothes and some lunch? The laptop physically won't go in my current bag.

Has to be completely waterproof for ~30 mins so I can carry said laptop through British weather, but I don't mind if that involves a cover that goes over it. A couple of mesh pockets so I can carry a coffee flask on the outside would be nice, but not essential.

*I know the real answer here is get a smaller laptop, but it's a work issued workstation replacement that I'm lucky to have at all so I'm trying to make the best of it.

Maybe a bit big, but:
https://www.timbuk2.com/products/2550-impulse-travel-backpack-duffel

My Osprey Radial says it’s 15” only but I bet it could fit a 17”.

wooger
Apr 16, 2005

YOU RESENT?

jammyozzy posted:

Does anybody have recommendations for a commuting backpack that can swallow a 17" laptop*, a change of clothes and some lunch? The laptop physically won't go in my current bag.

Has to be completely waterproof for ~30 mins so I can carry said laptop through British weather, but I don't mind if that involves a cover that goes over it. A couple of mesh pockets so I can carry a coffee flask on the outside would be nice, but not essential.

*I know the real answer here is get a smaller laptop, but it's a work issued workstation replacement that I'm lucky to have at all so I'm trying to make the best of it.

The recommendation is still pannier bags. Fully waterproof, keeps that weight off your back. I commuted for a month with a 15” desktop replacement laptop on my back and it’s always gonna be a horrible lump that makes you sweat.

That said, There are plenty of rucksacks that can take a laptop that big, including Ortlieb waterproof rucksacks that would do the job.

https://bikingbackpack.com/best-waterproof-biking-backpacks/

bicievino
Feb 5, 2015

wooger posted:

The recommendation is still pannier bags. Fully waterproof, keeps that weight off your back. I commuted for a month with a 15” desktop replacement laptop on my back and it’s always gonna be a horrible lump that makes you sweat.

That said, There are plenty of rucksacks that can take a laptop that big, including Ortlieb waterproof rucksacks that would do the job.

https://bikingbackpack.com/best-waterproof-biking-backpacks/

Totally this

Cugel the Clever
Apr 5, 2009
I LOVE AMERICA AND CAPITALISM DESPITE BEING POOR AS FUCK. I WILL NEVER RETIRE BUT HERE'S ANOTHER 200$ FOR UKRAINE, SLAVA
While we're on the subject of panniers, I'm curious what folks use for groceries. I picked up these a couple years back and they work great (albeit less so for 12-packs of soda), except the S hook is too small for the girth of the rack on my new Allant. I've seen trailers in use that would probably be a little more viable for large grocery runs, though now that the rack has proven unusable for these and not great for another pannier I've got, I'm worried I'll wind up buying and returninga bunch of stuff.

Groda
Mar 17, 2005

Hair Elf

Cugel the Clever posted:

While we're on the subject of panniers, I'm curious what folks use for groceries. I picked up these a couple years back and they work great (albeit less so for 12-packs of soda), except the S hook is too small for the girth of the rack on my new Allant. I've seen trailers in use that would probably be a little more viable for large grocery runs, though now that the rack has proven unusable for these and not great for another pannier I've got, I'm worried I'll wind up buying and returninga bunch of stuff.

Two cheap rear end baskets on either side of my rack.

https://www.clasohlson.com/se/Cykelkorg-Asaklitt/p/31-9075-2

wooger
Apr 16, 2005

YOU RESENT?

Cugel the Clever posted:

While we're on the subject of panniers, I'm curious what folks use for groceries. I picked up these a couple years back and they work great (albeit less so for 12-packs of soda), except the S hook is too small for the girth of the rack on my new Allant. I've seen trailers in use that would probably be a little more viable for large grocery runs, though now that the rack has proven unusable for these and not great for another pannier I've got, I'm worried I'll wind up buying and returninga bunch of stuff.

Is the s hook not swappable for something that fits?
Or moddable?
Post a photo of it.

I just use the same Ortlieb panniers for groceries as I do for commuting etc.

learnincurve
May 15, 2014

Smoosh

Cugel the Clever posted:

While we're on the subject of panniers, I'm curious what folks use for groceries. I picked up these a couple years back and they work great (albeit less so for 12-packs of soda), except the S hook is too small for the girth of the rack on my new Allant. I've seen trailers in use that would probably be a little more viable for large grocery runs, though now that the rack has proven unusable for these and not great for another pannier I've got, I'm worried I'll wind up buying and returninga bunch of stuff.

In the U.K - Basil 47l on a ebike at around £30 https://www.amazon.co.uk/Basil-Doub...=8-1&th=1&psc=1

Safety Dance
Sep 10, 2007

Five degrees to starboard!

Cugel the Clever posted:

While we're on the subject of panniers, I'm curious what folks use for groceries. I picked up these a couple years back and they work great (albeit less so for 12-packs of soda), except the S hook is too small for the girth of the rack on my new Allant. I've seen trailers in use that would probably be a little more viable for large grocery runs, though now that the rack has proven unusable for these and not great for another pannier I've got, I'm worried I'll wind up buying and returninga bunch of stuff.

I've a Blackburn Local Grocery Bag for groceries: https://www.blackburndesign.com/p/local-grocery-bag-bike-pannier/

It's nice and big. I usually put 1/2 gallon of milk + one full grocery bag on that side, and an ortlieb pannier with another grocery bag on the other side. Bulky things get bungee'd to the front rack or across the top of the rear rack.

learnincurve
May 15, 2014

Smoosh
Early this morning at like 27c I ebike zoomed ice cream home in insulated bags with blue ice blocks past someone in a very expensive convertible and we gave each other a nod, and this is why cycling owns.

ImplicitAssembler
Jan 24, 2013

jammyozzy posted:

Does anybody have recommendations for a commuting backpack that can swallow a 17" laptop*, a change of clothes and some lunch? The laptop physically won't go in my current bag.

Has to be completely waterproof for ~30 mins so I can carry said laptop through British weather, but I don't mind if that involves a cover that goes over it. A couple of mesh pockets so I can carry a coffee flask on the outside would be nice, but not essential.

*I know the real answer here is get a smaller laptop, but it's a work issued workstation replacement that I'm lucky to have at all so I'm trying to make the best of it.

Chrome Citizen bag.
https://www.chromeindustries.com/product/citizen-messenger-bag/BG-002.html?dwvar_BG-002_color=BKLB&dwvar_BG-002_size=NA&cgid=messenger_bags

Commuted with one for 10 years in London. Can carry change of clothes, lunch and a weeks worth of groceries. (Although you may not want to do that in combination with the laptop).
Broke one of clips after 13 years. Emailed Chrome and asked if they sold replacements and they sent a new one free of charge.

leftist heap
Feb 28, 2013

Fun Shoe

Cugel the Clever posted:

While we're on the subject of panniers, I'm curious what folks use for groceries. I picked up these a couple years back and they work great (albeit less so for 12-packs of soda), except the S hook is too small for the girth of the rack on my new Allant. I've seen trailers in use that would probably be a little more viable for large grocery runs, though now that the rack has proven unusable for these and not great for another pannier I've got, I'm worried I'll wind up buying and returninga bunch of stuff.

I bought a cargo trailer and never looked back personally. One of my best purchases.

Cugel the Clever
Apr 5, 2009
I LOVE AMERICA AND CAPITALISM DESPITE BEING POOR AS FUCK. I WILL NEVER RETIRE BUT HERE'S ANOTHER 200$ FOR UKRAINE, SLAVA
Thanks for all the recs! I do like the look of the Blackburn bags.

wooger posted:

Is the s hook not swappable for something that fits?
Or moddable?
Post a photo of it.

I just use the same Ortlieb panniers for groceries as I do for commuting etc.
Could potentially add a second, larger one or try bending this one a little wider (though I assume that risks weakening the hook?)?



leftist heap posted:

I bought a cargo trailer and never looked back personally. One of my best purchases.
A trailer would probably best fit my soda-hauling needs, though need to look into finding one that's sufficiently collapsible for my limited storage space.

wooger
Apr 16, 2005

YOU RESENT?

Cugel the Clever posted:

Thanks for all the recs! I do like the look of the Blackburn bags.

Could potentially add a second, larger one or try bending this one a little wider (though I assume that risks weakening the hook?)?


Yeah chimp strength it till it fits, or take it to a hardware shop to mod / sell you a bigger one. If I understand the setup right, it’s not taking the whole weight of the bag, just holding it flush to the rack, so strength isn’t too important.

jammyozzy
Dec 7, 2006
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Cheers everyone. I'll take a look through all of these.

I actually have some Ortleib panniers, but for multiple reasons they're impractical for my commute so it's a backpack or driving unfortunately.

AfricanBootyShine
Jan 9, 2006

Snake wins.

Speaking of Ortlieb, does anyone have experience with the messenger-bag style panniers they sell? I'm torn between the Commuter and the Downtown, but they seem almost identical to me (aside from the clasp style).

CopperHound
Feb 14, 2012

AfricanBootyShine posted:

Speaking of Ortlieb, does anyone have experience with the messenger-bag style panniers they sell? I'm torn between the Commuter and the Downtown, but they seem almost identical to me (aside from the clasp style).
I can't really speak to the difference, but if you plan to use it messenger bag style off the bike often I would suggest seriously considering the ql3 versions.

FireTora
Oct 6, 2004

Definitely get the QL3.1 if you're commuting with it and need to carry it around. I had the Office-Bag for a year or so and was really happy with it. The messenger flip top would be nicer if you're mostly a fair weather rider.

Bilirubin
Feb 16, 2014

The sanctioned action is to CHUG


Did first commute today, really happy with how this bike rides now that the saddle is adjusted properly. Picked up a spare tube for this new (to me) wheel set, installed a bell, and got the Ortlieb classics. Also got new brake pads because the mechanic thought the rears were contaminated leading to the lower braking power. Good stuff!

e. LMAO at the not at all intuitive, language free pictorial installation instructions. IKEA they are not.

Bilirubin fucked around with this message at 20:51 on Jul 21, 2021

learnincurve
May 15, 2014

Smoosh
I believe the traditional response here is to request pictures?


(Because it sounds like you nailed it and I’m nosy)

Bilirubin
Feb 16, 2014

The sanctioned action is to CHUG


learnincurve posted:

I believe the traditional response here is to request pictures?


(Because it sounds like you nailed it and I’m nosy)

I have a pic of the bike on the previous page, but not with the panniers on. I'll get one of those early next week

leftist heap
Feb 28, 2013

Fun Shoe

Cugel the Clever posted:

A trailer would probably best fit my soda-hauling needs, though need to look into finding one that's sufficiently collapsible for my limited storage space.

A Burley Nomad collapses pretty good. The top part of the frame collapses and the tow arm + wheels can be stored inside. These days I just hang mine up on the wall by the tow arm though.

Bilirubin
Feb 16, 2014

The sanctioned action is to CHUG


got my first work commute in, a 14km total ride, the way in ending with an nice climb that really helps get you ready for the work day. I added some additional miles because I had to sort permits and access for car and bike parking (been away from campus for some time--its weird being back). I started out by futzing with my rear brakes--going to have to look closer into how to extract the pads from this model of Shimano hydraulic, but just cleaning the rotor with alcohol has markedly improved the stopping power so good enough. Threw out my back while doing it though :doh:

I love this bike. The more road oriented gearing, and moving from 26" to 700c wheels is such a huge improvement to efficiency and speed that I am aghast at what I used to put up with. And the pannier attachment mechanism (now that I have the inserts installed) is just brilliantly simple to attach and remove. I love having my back unencumbered.

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Cugel the Clever
Apr 5, 2009
I LOVE AMERICA AND CAPITALISM DESPITE BEING POOR AS FUCK. I WILL NEVER RETIRE BUT HERE'S ANOTHER 200$ FOR UKRAINE, SLAVA
Hooboy. Just biked walked home with two 24 packs of soda in my paniers. Two 12 packs have never been a real problem, but I rapidly realized that the doubled amount would leave me tipped over somewhere, likely drenched in a fountain of exploded soda. Just walking the bike home turned out a little problematic as the weight constantly shifted.

Definitely think I'll pick up the Burly Nomad before I give it another shot.

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