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stephenthinkpad posted:Isn't the main problem of F22 is that the design was so old they couldn't upgrade the electronic communication? Being designed in the 1980s means it was designed for a European battlefield with comparatively shorter ranges than the Pacific and land bases close to the front lines. That means it like most other American planes trade size and range/fuel capacity for performance. The Chinese seeing the pacific as the main theatre needs a larger aircraft with more range. Hence the focus on larger aircraft like the Su-27 and the J-20. This same thing happened in WW2, where the Japanese developed very long range aircraft that were much better suited to the Pacific than European or American designed at the time. A perennially popular alt-history question is if the Germans were able to somehow procure Zeros before the Battle of Britain then it might have turned out much differently, because the main problem the Germans faced was that their BF-109 didn't have the range to stay over Britain for long enough. The Chinese began negotiations with the USSR to acquire the Su-27 in the 1980s before the USSR fell, but the USSR wasn't willing to sell the Su-27 even to its Warsaw Pact allies - Poland and East Germany only ever got Mig-29s, so selling to China was out of the question until the USSR fell and the Chinese were able to sneak the order in amid all the chaos and confusion and Russia being so broke that they were burning the furniture to stay warm. It turned out to be a masterstroke because the Su-27 is a great airframe that suited China's situation very well, hence all the later developments on the platform. Throatwarbler has issued a correction as of 14:31 on Jul 17, 2021 |
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Cao Ni Ma posted:Paquiao bit more than he could chew and got kicked out of the party leader position. Do not speak ill of Philippines Trump or China, you will regret it! a US spy sat program alleging the Chinese are dumping literal poo poo in the South China Sea former Ambassador Albert del Rosario making a completely unsourced claim that the Chinese are planning to interfere in the 2022 elections the rest of his think tank saying that they are going to make the SCS an election issue if it doesn't become one by itself Reuters repeatedly writing stories smearing Sinovac as a bad vaccine there's so much poo poo floating around in the local news and it feels like I'm going insane because it's impossible to talk about how "the US is influencing the 2022 elections" without sounding like a crazy conspiracy theorist combined with a wumao 50-cent tankie apologist
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Jul 17, 2021 14:58
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Top City Homo posted:i don't think he likes Larouche, calls him the "edge of anglo thinking about the world" (basically white supremacist fear of nature and the other) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYWIyG3hUlQ
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Jul 17, 2021 18:27
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Jul 17, 2021 18:51
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gradenko_2000 posted:a US spy sat program alleging the Chinese are dumping literal poo poo in the South China Sea Will Pacquiao still be able to run for President and win?
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Jul 17, 2021 18:56
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:okay i think you've won me over The chad haz vs the virgin neoconservative
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Jul 17, 2021 18:56
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Ardennes posted:Out of the 187 F-22 built, by 2018, only 123 were combat operational and 20 were being used for spare parts. If anything the situation right now is even worse since there is now a lack of staff qualified to work on it. The F-22 is slowly being pushed out the door. https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/aviation/a36421838/air-force-plans-retire-f-22-raptor-downsizing-fighter-fleet/ quote:Now, Air Force Chief of Staff Gen. CQ Brown wants to shrink the number of fighter fleets from seven to just four, according to DefenseOne. Under the plan, the F-15C/D, F-15E, A-10, and F-22 would take one-way flights to the Boneyard. The F-15EX, F-35, and F-16 would all fly on, joined by a new air superiority fighter: Next Generation Air Dominance (NGAD).
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Jul 17, 2021 18:58
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ooh can’t wait for NGAD info
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Jul 17, 2021 19:02
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While we are on the topic of fighters, I have to say I was a bit surprised to find out that Mitsubishi is supposed to be making a new one for Japan by 2030. Somehow I keep forgetting that they are one of the largest arm suppliers there.
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Jul 17, 2021 19:18
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Lostconfused posted:While we are on the topic of fighters, I have to say I was a bit surprised to find out that Mitsubishi is supposed to be making a new one for Japan by 2030. It's just a scam to funnel money to Mitsubishi.
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Jul 17, 2021 19:32
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Danann posted:Turkish TB-2s for example are "cheap" at about $5 million per unit, which is a nice price point in comparison to American MQ-9s and their $32 million price per unit. However the TB-2 is slower than the MQ-9, cruises slower, has less range, has flies lower, etc. Thus while you can have more TB-2s than MQ-9s given a set budget, the systems are less able to respond to sudden developments and are relatively more vulnerable to air defense than their MQ-9 counterparts. i mean, sure. but OTOH, india is buying mig-21s for like $25 million each, which are mach 2 interceptors at some point you have to ask yourself how much of that $32m is grift, lol
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Jul 17, 2021 19:35
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i'm glad my youtube recommendations are now feeding me movies like "Huai-hai Campaign: Battle God General Su Yu and Du Yuming's Decisive Battle" this is when chiang kai shek really got hammered https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUCRALtAOYA&t=10232s
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Jul 17, 2021 19:38
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oh my god those miniatures 
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Jul 17, 2021 19:42
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Ardennes posted:The irony is they pushed it so far they legitimately are now hamstringing the capacities of the US military. how far are we from Byzentine times where a general from the ruling family was given a fleet to defend against the crusader invasion and he just scadadled to the Venetians and sold the entire fleet?
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Jul 17, 2021 19:54
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:i'm glad my youtube recommendations are now feeding me movies like "Huai-hai Campaign: Battle God General Su Yu and Du Yuming's Decisive Battle" that long pan shot loving rules goddamn, what a feat Ardennes posted:The irony is they pushed it so far they legitimately are now hamstringing the capacities of the US military. The entire military industrial complex has done this for a long time, to the degree that it bankrupt and destroyed the USSR. Diverting so many resources to an arms race that doesn't get tested by actual conflicts produces an exponential boon-dogling that seems pretty evident across militaries. The obsession with overwhelming conventional military first strike capability has laser focused advanced nations into preparing for short wars and anyone they're fighting adapting to long ones, and it's easy to race into having a command and fighting structure dependent on a political situation that isn't stable or playing by the rules you imagine to be at work. It's clear the entire cold war military industrial complex is a bloated drag on the nations that adopted it, which continuity costs more and accomplishes less, ever scaling back it's ability to sustain conflict and sucking up obscene amounts of state resources on unutilized capability. Like, guys, Bush was onto something about not wanting to shoot expensive missiles into tents full of camels. But that's basically all we do, and it's clearly a losing strategy.
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Jul 17, 2021 20:11
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Jul 17, 2021 20:13
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:okay i think you've won me over the full debate is also a treasure and i meditate upon it at least once a week https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Cf99XvNtWw&t=461s
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Jul 17, 2021 20:21
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Truga posted:i mean, sure. but OTOH, india is buying mig-21s for like $25 million each, which are mach 2 interceptors The roughly similarly sized Bayraktar Akıncı is probably going to hover around that price point, maybe more maybe less since it is designed with slinging around 907kg bombs in mind.
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Jul 17, 2021 20:21
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anyone remember when baizuo was the right’s word of the day bc they thought they could find common ground with Chinese netizens? I wonder how that’s going nowadays considering even if Chinese nationalists can be socially conservative they despise Americans talking poo poo about China most of all, and especially Americans blaming China for their own failings it feels a lot of the vaguely pro Trump Chinese people have swapped to “haha look at how stupid Trump and America is with covid” or “gently caress America for pushing the lab leak theory”
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Jul 17, 2021 22:12
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GoLambo posted:The entire military industrial complex has done this for a long time, to the degree that it bankrupt and destroyed the USSR. Diverting so many resources to an arms race that doesn't get tested by actual conflicts produces an exponential boon-dogling that seems pretty evident across militaries. The obsession with overwhelming conventional military first strike capability has laser focused advanced nations into preparing for short wars and anyone they're fighting adapting to long ones, and it's easy to race into having a command and fighting structure dependent on a political situation that isn't stable or playing by the rules you imagine to be at work. It's clear the entire cold war military industrial complex is a bloated drag on the nations that adopted it, which continuity costs more and accomplishes less, ever scaling back it's ability to sustain conflict and sucking up obscene amounts of state resources on unutilized capability. I also think that "victory" over the Soviets gave even more rein for the M-I to do whatever it wanted and the results are clear. Not only has there been bloat, but you have weapon systems that just don't work (Zumwalt) or don't have a clear mission profile. The Soviets were relatively easy to beat because they were simply trapped. They didn't have near the economic resources of the West but were trying to compete on an equal level and therefore could progressively be ground into dust. It isn't quite like that any more, if anything the situation has reversed where the PRC can utilize a relatively limited amount of resources to compete (so of it is also just the aforementioned bloat that has made procurement ridiculous.) Top City Homo posted:how far are we from Byzentine times where a general from the ruling family was given a fleet to defend against the crusader invasion and he just scadadled to the Venetians and sold the entire fleet? There will be a "fork in the road" at some point where either the US sort of just flops over like Poland-Lithuania/late Byzantium etc or goes in the other direction. Personally, I feel the more likely outcome is that the US gets into a genuine crisis (possibly climate related) and you end up with centralized more or less fascist state. I think the current situation is allowed to persist because so much money is being made off the grift, but once the Beltway feels like they are legitimately losing their grip, the hammer will probably come down. It really depends on threatened the American elite feels. Ardennes has issued a correction as of 23:18 on Jul 17, 2021 |
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Jul 17, 2021 23:11
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https://twitter.com/HuXijin_GT/status/1415981229858426885?s=20 whats going on now
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Jul 18, 2021 00:11
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Atrocious Joe posted:https://twitter.com/HuXijin_GT/status/1415981229858426885?s=20 China india proxy war
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Jul 18, 2021 00:15
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Ardennes posted:I also think that "victory" over the Soviets gave even more rein for the M-I to do whatever it wanted and the results are clear. Not only has there been bloat, but you have weapon systems that just don't work (Zumwalt) or don't have a clear mission profile. but i wonder where is the competent core of american elite organization? the cops? i cannot point to one branch of government outside of maybe military logistics who could be considered competent at what they do i cannot even point to the private sector. most of consulting firms are very bad at technology it feels like everything is mostly just slick marketing and news re framing to cover up horrendous graft and waste and i don't know who would turn that around
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Jul 18, 2021 00:45
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Top City Homo posted:i cannot point to one branch of government outside of maybe military logistics who could be considered competent at what they do by what metrics? they’re pretty effective at maintaining and increasing their power and achieving their short and medium term political/economic goals. they could stand to be a bit more clever about it but there’s not any pressing reason to be, because you’ve nailed their core competency right here: Top City Homo posted:
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Jul 18, 2021 00:52
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the competent core is either scattered around stuck at mid-level jobs until they reach a high enough level of promotion where the system forces them to become glorified grifters or retire or it simply doesn't exist in the first place and it's all just more money than god papering over all the obvious flaws
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Jul 18, 2021 00:56
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like, how it usally goes in decaying gerontocracies is that every rear end in a top hat with actual skill and ambition is chafing under an increasingly incompetent and senile ruling elite until the whole thing deteriorates badly enough that said assholes start smelling blood in the water and make their move
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Jul 18, 2021 01:03
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Atrocious Joe posted:https://twitter.com/HuXijin_GT/status/1415981229858426885?s=20 China taking a page from the US playbook
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Jul 18, 2021 01:08
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Lostconfused posted:The air force already said that's the plan Yeah, but if anything the program has eroded far earlier than that timeline and it is already apparent the f-22 program is in pretty big trouble as of 2021. If anything between now and whenever the GNAD gets here, the USAF is going to have to rely on F-35s. —— The US still a robust internal security apparatus and plenty of internal soft power. The system is fraying on the edges because of gritting/nepotism but it very clearly still has control over the situation. That said, belief in small government wouldn’t really meld very well with a centralized regime and there will be a sorting process. If anything I think “Hamilton” phenomenon is a sign of this if you know about Hamilton and policies.
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Jul 18, 2021 01:22
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Atrocious Joe posted:https://twitter.com/HuXijin_GT/status/1415981229858426885?s=20 there is a lot of anti-china sentiment in parts of pakistan due to fears/perceptions that china is taking over the country economically. in balochistan (so not where this recent attack happened) it's especially bad, and they've hit targets outside balochistan as well. you may remember a few years back when baloch militants attacked the chinese consulate in karachi, and last summer baloch militants attacked the stock exchange in karachi, claiming they picked that target because of chinese economic domination. in kyber pakhtunkhwa the pakistani taliban has kidnapped and killed chinese people working on infrastructure projects, plus you probably have some uyghur isis guys in the mix across the border in afghanistan, at the least, if not in pakistan itself. the pakistani taliban also carried out an attack in quetta a few months ago, blowing up a hotel where the chinese ambassador had recently stayed (it really looks like he was the target, but they missed thankfully). this is the first i've ever seen people talking about chinese intervention into pakistan over this stuff, not that i am a huge expert on the rhetoric.
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Jul 18, 2021 01:59
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:i'm glad my youtube recommendations are now feeding me movies like "Huai-hai Campaign: Battle God General Su Yu and Du Yuming's Decisive Battle" Soon Taiwan!
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Jul 18, 2021 02:13
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Top City Homo posted:but i wonder where is the competent core of american elite organization? the cops? i cannot point to one branch of government outside of maybe military logistics who could be considered competent at what they do even the military doesn't really understand what it's doing on an ideological level (see top generals tearfully citing the international rules based order when trump asks why we aren't making any money off our overseas bases) or demonstrate the ability to stop all its blood getting sucked out of it by private sector consulting parasites
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Jul 18, 2021 02:42
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lobster shirt posted:there is a lot of anti-china sentiment in parts of pakistan due to fears/perceptions that china is taking over the country economically. in balochistan (so not where this recent attack happened) it's especially bad, and they've hit targets outside balochistan as well. you may remember a few years back when baloch militants attacked the chinese consulate in karachi, and last summer baloch militants attacked the stock exchange in karachi, claiming they picked that target because of chinese economic domination. Yeah the Pakistan politic is very tribal. Only the military establishment understand the need of China's support. Either side running the elections doesn't care about paying the lip service for China. The bus accident I heard initially reported as a regular car accident. So the Global Times tween is a very high profit change of tunes. I wonder what happened.
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Jul 18, 2021 02:45
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I know little of 20th Chinese history beyond basic Wikipedia level and would like to know more. Any recommended books, podcasts, websites or whatever?
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Jul 18, 2021 02:56
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stephenthinkpad posted:Yeah the Pakistan politic is very tribal. Only the military establishment understand the need of China's support. Either side running the elections doesn't care about paying the lip service for China. I don't think this is particularly true. China has worked with Pakistan on a number of both military and civilian infrastructure projects. China is also one of pakistan's biggest trade partners. I think the vast majority of pakistani people understand that China is not the enemy.
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Jul 18, 2021 03:00
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yea I'm sure there are anti-china elements but pakistan as a governmental unit has very good relations with china, hence why this chinese journalist is doing a little saber rattling for them, terrorism in pakistan hurts both parties and china values the relationship
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Jul 18, 2021 03:12
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AnimeIsTrash posted:I don't think this is particularly true. China has worked with Pakistan on a number of both military and civilian infrastructure projects. China is also one of pakistan's biggest trade partners. as a pakistani friend from uni once said they know that the CIA is the main origin for a lot of the terrorists and bad poo poo in general for their area of the world at the time i thought it was all conspiracy poo poo but now i know better and its all 100% true that the CIA is the main source of all the evil poo poo in one way or another. like the entire goal of the CIA for that region seems to either install a puppet govt or keep poo poo destabilized as gently caress by funding terrorists and other criminal orgs like the haqqani network Agrajag has issued a correction as of 03:26 on Jul 18, 2021 |
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Jul 18, 2021 03:24
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brugroffil posted:I know little of 20th Chinese history beyond basic Wikipedia level and would like to know more. Any recommended books, podcasts, websites or whatever? Zmej posted:probably Carl Zha's Silk and Steel podcast. he is a bit rambley sometimes.
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Jul 18, 2021 03:32
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Nonsense posted:Will Pacquiao still be able to run for President and win? he CAN run, but if polling is to be believed, the front-runner is Sara Duterte, Rodrigo's daughter. Pacquiao is in third or fourth place accounting for margin-of-error of course, these surveys are very premature, and there's something like 20-30% of the electorate that's either undecided or expressed a preference for a person that's almost certainly NOT going to be a candidate (official filing of candidacies isn't until October this year). it doesn't look like the left is going to run their own candidate this cycle, and I don't have much hope (nor enthusiasm) for the liberals - they're almost certainly going to fall into the trap of running purely on CHINA BAD, DUTERTE = CHINA PUPPET = BAD, which is going to kill them with voters, and then when they lose they're going to retreat (more) into allegations of election fraud by foreign actors
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Jul 18, 2021 04:53
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wait filipino liberals are running on foreign election interference do they have any proof of this or are we just supposed to assume liberals are respectable and wouldnt make up something so serious
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Some Guy TT posted:wait filipino liberals are running on foreign election interference  ...  ...  this is it this is all their "proof"
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