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Zedsdeadbaby posted:There's no such thing as a boring basho, the ranking system means there's always going to be winners and losers, and it is a fool's errand trying to predict any of it. The last year or so alone has seen multiple instances of the lowest ranked maegashira win the yusho. Half the time the yusho winner is somebody you weren't expecting at all. bear in mind one of those m17 yushos was from terunofuji himself as he worked his way back up the ranks from a serious knee injury. the other was from tokoshorū in a truly bizarre occurance during a yusho with 0 healthy yokozuna and a period where the old ozeki were rapidly dropping down the banzuke. goeido, takayasu, and tochinoshin all lost their rank one after another in sucessive bashos. it was kinda cool to have such an unpredictable period but on the same token it's nice to see the top two guys on the banzuke look like they're on a totally different level from everyone else this month.
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the no crowd basho was awesome too, it did feature no crowds but it was the last time both Hakuho and Kakaryu were healthy as well as having most of the basho dominated by AOIYAMA
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My pet theory is that Hakuho is going to hold off retirement just to see if he can outlast Teru’s knees and yet again be the only Yokozuna standing  I’m joking, but only just.
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Zedsdeadbaby posted:There's no such thing as a boring basho, the ranking system means there's always going to be winners and losers, and it is a fool's errand trying to predict any of it. The last year or so alone has seen multiple instances of the lowest ranked maegashira win the yusho. Half the time the yusho winner is somebody you weren't expecting at all. this is about the answer i was hoping for, thank you.
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Jul 17, 2021 20:47
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Maybe he'll just stick around to style on the other Ozeki who are clearly not Yokozuna material. Hell January was meant to be the Takakeisho Yokozuna run and he went 2-8 before withdrawing, and Asanoyama is banned for a year and should retire. Hoshoryu is the only hope in the up and comers and he hasn't yet had a double digit winning basho and is probably the only guy who people have hope in as he hasn't embarrassed himself compared to the two yokozuna. Ura has the same current record as Hoshoryu but I don't think people think he will get to even sekiwake.
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Jul 17, 2021 20:52
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lol. I've never seen such obvious and utter contempt for an opponent as 'competition' in a sport before.
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Shiroc posted:lol. I've never seen such obvious and utter contempt for an opponent as 'competition' in a sport before. Every basho I keep hoping Shodai will show up with a bit of that Hakuho/Terunofuji-style mean streak and just start bullying guys. You see glimpses of it every now and again, but even during his Yusho and Ozeki run it was a rarity. When you're dominating and creative you're a sumo genius, when you're maddeningly inconsistent and creative it's labeled clown sumo. In spite of everything, Shodai still came within an inch or two of winning last night
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Jul 17, 2021 21:43
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It feels like Hakuho's won half of his fights this basho during the staredown. Tobizaru got so intimidated that he entirely forgot how to sumo, and Shodai wasn't that far off.
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Hakuho's first scrap was the closest he came to losing a bout, and I think that was just him shaking the rust off after a year away. It certainly reflects well on Meisei who always puts in a good effort
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GoatSeeGuy posted:Every basho I keep hoping Shodai will show up with a bit of that Hakuho/Terunofuji-style mean streak and just start bullying guys. You see glimpses of it every now and again, but even during his Yusho and Ozeki run it was a rarity. When you're dominating and creative you're a sumo genius, when you're maddeningly inconsistent and creative it's labeled clown sumo. Shodai is just a weird rikishi because he's made it to ozeki cleanly. He's obviously very good on a relative scale at least. I just have no idea at what. Terunofuji is stronger than everyone. Asanoyama had solid fundamental sumo until horny jail (and did get ozeki cheap). Takakeisho's pushing attack is amazing when it hits. Shodai is just there with the NHK commentators occasionally assuring me he's very good at beltless sumo but it never looks that special to me.
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Shiroc posted:Shodai is just a weird rikishi because he's made it to ozeki cleanly. He's obviously very good on a relative scale at least. I just have no idea at what. Terunofuji is stronger than everyone. Asanoyama had solid fundamental sumo until horny jail (and did get ozeki cheap). Takakeisho's pushing attack is amazing when it hits. Shodai is just there with the NHK commentators occasionally assuring me he's very good at beltless sumo but it never looks that special to me. Yeah, I keep having to remind myself that Shodai is good. He got ozeki after a pretty respectable string of five consecutive kachi-koshi runs that included 4 fighting spirit prizes and a yusho, and this will be his fifth basho at ozeki. He's come closer than anybody else to beating Terunofuji and Hakuho this basho. He's obviously very good at something, but I have no idea what it is.
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Bruce at Tachiai describes Shodai as having cartoon physics sumo, and that's about right.Vargatron posted:I NEED a Meisei KK on the final day!!! Not quite sure if I'm on an Ozeki run in fantasy sumo, but I'm pleased with my stable's second week performance! You're not on an ozeki run, but a strong showing this tournament will definitely put you on one. You're at M1e, so a winning record gets you into san'yaku! Takuan posted:This is my first time following sumo and I've really been getting into it. I understand there's special drama in this tournament due to the last glorious ride(though maybe not!) of an all-time great with Hakuhoand the rise of a new top guy in Terunofuji, but putting those to the side how does this tournament compare to the average in terms of overall entertainment? Trying to figure out how to set my expectations going forward. I'd say this basho is just a hair above average in terms of hype/storylines, and maybe a hair above average in terms of exciting individual bouts. That said, every basho has its storylines and surprises, and there are always at least like 5 epic bouts with crazy outcomes. Sumo is a really good spectator sport. Man she is really good at making sumo content. We're right at the end for fantasy! We've got 8 rikishi going into the final day with 7-7 records, so the chaos continues. Looking forward to hearing special prize announcements. Day 14 standings: Makuuchi code:code:Kenning fucked around with this message at 22:58 on Jul 17, 2021 |
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Jul 17, 2021 22:53
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No matter how he does it Hakuho is cool
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I have been steadily dropping after a promising early start, but once freed from the wakalbatross that was FORCIBLY HUNG around my neck and a few other questionable choices I will unleash a whole new and terrifying form of fantasy sumo on the thread. Mark my words.
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Jul 17, 2021 22:59
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Kenning posted:I love Hakuho.
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As it is the traditional tirebreaker and I find myself, inexplicably, in a tie at the moment, I will predict that this basho's macaron will be YELLOW.
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Jul 17, 2021 23:17
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It's PINK you fool
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I also think the macaron will be pink.
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Jul 17, 2021 23:21
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Going into the last day second to last and hoping for a white macaron.
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Terunofuji Fuji Fuschia The macaroon will be blue.
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If I could pick one moment from the basho to go into the NHK's closing montage, it'd be Tobizaru trying to make Hakuho flinch and him just completely blanking it. Calling a pink macaron.
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Jul 17, 2021 23:29
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gotta be white for a change to go with the new rope they're gonna have to make
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it's going to be red as the rising sun. at the end of the day i watch bashos for the sumo on display and there is always good sumo to be seen. Khizan posted:It feels like Hakuho's won half of his fights this basho during the staredown. people new to sumo seem to disdain the tedium of the ritual but it's basically a pre-fight press conference and weigh in for a normal fight only done in complete silence and alongside an unchanging ritual. the head games being played are massive. hakuho didn't line up at the back of the dohyo to beat shodai. he did it to keep teru up at night wondering what the gently caress he's going to have to deal with besides the greatest yokozuna ever
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Teru is not someone who seems to be rattled easily, but if anyone can it's Hakuho, especially after a basho where he showed that despite his body being broken he still is by far the best in the sport.
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Marching Powder posted:it's going to be red as the rising sun. def gonna try to watch live for this to get the full experiemce
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Kenning posted:I'd say this basho is just a hair above average in terms of hype/storylines I haven't been watching that long, but I'd put the storyline here at decently above average. Terunofuji is capping an absolutely insane comeback after a demotion to jonidan. He went from M17e to M1e with a yusho, got komusubi in the next basho, made a successful ozeki run out of his first three matches at sanyaku rank, and then got yokozuna in his first two bashos as an ozeki. It's a literal goddamn speedrun of the sumo rank system. Meanwhile, Hakuho has been too injured to compete for a year now, aside from his shaky three bouts in March, and the prevailing opinion about him was that he was just holding on so he could perform the dohyo-iri for the Olympics, and that he really should retire because his body just cannot stand the abuse anymore. When he announced he was competing in July, I think most people assumed he'd be kyujo by the fifth or sixth day. Instead, it's like he's been resurrected for one last basho, just so that Terunofuji would have some real competition. It's just this perfect confluence of events. The strongest comeback run ever is running into the last stand of the greatest rikishi ever, and both of them are 14-0.
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Blue macaron. So hyped for this final day.
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The only basho that tops this for me personally is the tokushoryu yusho because it was like an underdog sports movie we grew up watching. For a sport where excess displays of any emotion are frowned upon watching tokushoryu conquer takakeisho and burst into tears isn't just one of the best moments in my sumo watching career, it transcends sport. And it was my first basho. I'm almost jealous of those for whom this is where they've chosen to start. Almost.
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Thauros posted:
abi had some sort of calf injury and dropped his next three matches after that post. he recovered after that, and is now 11-3 and tied for the division lead with mitoryu. they've already faced off so there will be a playoff if they both win tonight. obv abi will not be making makuuchi from the bottom of juryo now but i'd recommend keeping tabs on the division in october if you have the time as he, enho, and hokuseiho should all be in it. speaking of hokuseiho, he was 6-0 and had his final match on this morning's show. i was wrong about there not being any other undefeated rikishi in makushita, missed ishizaki at ms56. he had a sucessful collegiate sumo career and debuted with a perfect 7-0 record in sandanme at the last basho. both were 6-0. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEUZNbJmiYU hokuseiho won for a perfect 7-0 basho at ms2. he should get a p decent juryo seeding from that slot.
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Khizan posted:I haven't been watching that long, but I'd put the storyline here at decently above average. yeah every basho has some intriguing storylines but this has been so perfectly booked it would seem a bit over the top and cliché if you did it in a sports movie
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I think its time for an orange macaron
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Goin' green.
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Macaron will be white for the purity of sumo that is a future yokozuna contesting the greatest yokozuna for a zensho yusho.
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Gold Macaron. Hakuho will win with perfect Yokozuna sumo and be gracious with Terunofuji, stopping him from falling off the dohyo once it's clear he's won. His interview will be stoic and dignified, a couple of tears as he realises the yushos he won were the friends he made along the way. Then the macaron cones out. He wrestles it from the yobidashi, takes an enormous bite and, spraying the foam crumbs from his mouth, walks backwards down the hanamachi, flicking double birds.
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Elissimpark posted:Gold Macaron. Olympic spirit, this is the correct answer.
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I swear Hakuho just rolled out of bed and chose violence, decided 'if this is my last basho, I'm slapping the poo poo out of Shodai'. Going with the gold macaron as well!
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We will witness the greatest bout in the history of sumo. The kami themselves will appear in visible form before the audience to congratulate the winner. After a long mono-ii, the decision will be reversed due to an obviously inadvertent tape caused topknot pull.
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I am of the opinion the two will manifest stands ala Jojo and the fight will take place on a separate yet inextricably connected plane of existence.
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