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Maybe you'll get pinged and need to self isolate. How are English goons spending their first day of the big Covid surrender, true British Dunkirk spririt? 
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Mebh posted:Presumably 90 percent of the data harvested are cat pics. Reading the story about the Phone Malware just reminded me of the TV show “Person of Interest.” The main character in that designed something a software program that worked like this malware. Including it working without having to interact with the other persons phone. (I think it was built around actual real world problems with phones back then of being able to forcibly pair phones to bluetooth devices as an exploit.) Crazy how life imitates art.
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I'm watching Person of Interest at the moment and my god the main character is a dull sack of potatoes But the show is interesting enough for me to persist. Just started s02 where I understand it (but not the main character, sadly) gets a lot more interesting.
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Jul 19, 2021 11:00
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Bear isn't dull?
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Jul 19, 2021 11:04
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The show starts to have a bit more fun in Season 2, that's for sure.
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Jul 19, 2021 11:04
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Is that the one where they invent the panopticon, and the turning point of every episode is 'oh yeah, we'll just use the panopticon?'
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Jul 19, 2021 11:06
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sebzilla posted:https://twitter.com/coyleneil/status/1416479776655749121?s=19 goddamnedtwisto posted:https://twitter.com/KarenPBuckMP/status/1416690899321565184 Absoloutely sending me into a doomer spiral for the future
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Jul 19, 2021 11:18
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JeremoudCorbynejad posted:I'm watching Person of Interest at the moment and my god the main character is a dull sack of potatoes Thing is, I'd still kind of recommend it, because goons love it, and its one of the few TV shows they love that isn't a big name prestige show or about superheroes, so its in its own niche genre for them.
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Jul 19, 2021 11:20
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The problem is fascism is mainstream now At least if you define fascism as mobilising the public against internal and external enemies in order to prop up the establishment and suppress leftist movements. Defending the country against BLM and soros etc Basically anyone talking about wokeists, cultural Marxism etc is speaking in fascist rhetoric by definition afaik It's certainly more mainstream than even broad leftism
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Jul 19, 2021 11:28
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therattle posted:There are certainly strong elements of fascism on the right (hello, Priti!) but not all rightwingers are fascists. For instance, I don't think that the One Nation Tories are really fascist. They also got purged from the party by Bozza and are now irrelevant.
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Jul 19, 2021 11:33
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feedmegin posted:They also got purged from the party by Bozza and are now irrelevant. But they are not irrelevant to my argument that not all right-wingers are necessarily fascists! Anyway, it's not important enough to have a full argument about. In general sure, liberals tend right, and right tends fascist, but it's not absolute and universal.
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Jul 19, 2021 11:35
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If it’s socialism or barbarism and you’re still spending your time punching down the socialists then you’re on the side of fascism anyway and the distinction is irrelevant.
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Jul 19, 2021 11:38
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therattle posted:But they are not irrelevant to my argument that not all right-wingers are necessarily fascists! Anyway, it's not important enough to have a full argument about. In general sure, liberals tend right, and right tends fascist, but it's not absolute and universal. When I see these people put up a principled stand against fascists, I'll reconsider. All the non-fash right wingers always seem to strangely enable the fash - doubly so if it means keeping socialists/leftists out of power. This is doubly true for right wingers like republicans who hated Trump and Boris - they don't hate their policies (brexit might be one exception), just the fact that they look scruffy and don't talk good like all good eton educated boys should. It's about presentation and not content.
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Jul 19, 2021 11:39
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Both fascists and libs are trying to uphold the status quo against the left, dislike troublesome minorities, like war, and venerate an imagined past Theyr not really the same but they align in quite a few places and attempt to take advantage of eachother
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Jul 19, 2021 11:41
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therattle posted:But they are not irrelevant to my argument that not all right-wingers are necessarily fascists! Anyway, it's not important enough to have a full argument about. In general sure, liberals tend right, and right tends fascist, but it's not absolute and universal. I'm sure that was a great reassurance to Otto Strasser after his brother was murdered and he had to flee Germany. If not all right wingers are fascists now, it is only because the fascists aren't quite strong enough or confident enough yet. The ultimate endpoint of fascism is always that there will be no non-fascists.
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Jul 19, 2021 11:41
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I'm not so sure it's that if you scratch a lib they become fash, they just become authoritarian. But fash and libs use eachother as allies of convenience against their common enemy, the left pretty frequently. It appears to be more so than the other way around but maybe it just seems that way to us
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Jul 19, 2021 11:44
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For fascism to succeed for any length of time it requires a broad acceptance by the people it is forced upon, to keep said fascist society running through a class of pliant workers without collapsing under the weight of every member being a full-on backstabbing authoritarian, and every time that state of being is handed to them by pliant liberal stooges making excuses at every turn. They may not *be* entirely fascist, but the success of fascism over an extended period of time relies on them, and we must never forget it.
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Jul 19, 2021 11:47
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Good Luck, Everybody https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1d4SulHVKUk
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Jul 19, 2021 11:47
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-iLvpRIU560 Posted already?
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Jul 19, 2021 11:48
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I had to go to M&S this morning to look at suits and I was impressed how basically everyone was still wearing masks. There were one or two (generally younger) people without them but I think all of the older shoppers were wearing them. Not sure if M&S is mandating it in stores like I know Tesco are though. Very little social distancing going on of course though.
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Jul 19, 2021 11:49
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Also, libs are the ones who will mercilessly mock and belittle leftists for pointing out budding or nascent fascism, by comparing it to Germany 1940 and saying it's not that bad (yet). "How can you call Trump/Brexit/etc the early stages of fascism, it doesn't even have any death camps or dictators Nope, not there yet. There are still elections, this doesn't count. Ok but they aren't really an ethnic group. Not quite. Almost. Almost... Ok, now you can call it fascism  ""Wait, why are you eating my face??"
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Jul 19, 2021 11:52
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I went to see Black Widow at the cinema last night, first time I've been in nearly 18 months. It was practically empty - about six people apart from myself. It was a little unnerving.
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Jul 19, 2021 11:53
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I think the argument is not lib → right → fash, but that historically liberals have usually supported fascism in its early stages, due to their tendency to only see tone and not content. So when a lib journo writes a thought provoking piece in a national paper about how marginalised groups should stay marginalised for the state of the status quo, other libs nod sagely and applaud the reasoned arguments. This has happened during the civil rights movement, the lead up to the second world war, in the absolute shitshow of 2016 and it's happening again over trans rights. But then when a trans shitposter replies telling them to gently caress off and stop inciting hate crimes, the libs get all disgusted about how they used the f word and there's no need for that sort of thing, ignoring the part about inciting hate crimes. Meanwhile the actual fascists who'd been feeding talking points to the lib journo doxx the trans shitposter and get a seat on question time now that there's a 'debate' over who gets human rights. Libs are useful tools for fascists, and their ideological gullibility tends to advance the goals of fascists, in other words. Miftan posted:When I see these people put up a principled stand against fascists, I'll reconsider. Bobby Deluxe fucked around with this message at 12:02 on Jul 19, 2021 |
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Jul 19, 2021 11:54
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Liberals by and large aren't fascists, they're this guy
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Jul 19, 2021 11:55
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Bobby Deluxe posted:I think the argument is not lib → right → fash, but that historically liberals have usually supported fascism in its early stages, due to their tendency to only see tone and not content. Yep. That makes sense. Liberals = right-wingers = fascists is really simplistic.
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Jul 19, 2021 12:07
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Edit: Just do the free stuff like be kind and love your peoples. I am full of the most insufferable poo poo. That being said, I like scampi and lemon Nik-Naks. Salt n Reba McEntire fucked around with this message at 12:35 on Jul 19, 2021 |
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Jul 19, 2021 12:26
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JeremoudCorbynejad posted:I'm watching Person of Interest at the moment and my god the main character is a dull sack of potatoes After my brother told me his fan theory, I found the main character Jim Caviezal much more interesting. Basically after a traumatic childhood, John took his father's name and joined the military to gain the training he would need in life. After being approached by Harold Finch, John agrees to join this outfit because he needs to keep a very close eye on this growing AI for fear of what it will become. The main character is a post Terminator 2 John Connor.
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Jul 19, 2021 12:28
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honestly I think I prefer fascists to liberals because at least fascists are open about what they stand for whereas liberals will vote for fascism and then write extremely wanky articles about how “sensible” and “grown-up” they’re being
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Bobby Deluxe posted:I think the argument is not lib → right → fash, but that historically liberals have usually supported fascism in its early stages, due to their tendency to only see tone and not content. worth noting that the actually-historic communist parties as lead by Ernst "nach Hitler, kommen wir" Thälmann or Maurice "nous agissons en défense du peuple français en ne voulant pas que la jeunesse de notre pays soit jetée en holocauste aux capitalistes anglais en lutte d’intérêts avec les capitalistes allemand" Thorez are not exactly covering themselves in glory there either a glib reading is that the communists constantly assumed that they would naturally triumph from paramilitarized politics and street chaos (narrator: they did not). Unfortunately, the liberals and conservatives and Christian democrats alike also all assumed that the communists would naturally triumph from paramilitarized politics and street chaos. There's a lesson in not drinking one's own koolaid, there.
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Trying to get people who are new to left wing politics to fully grasp that liberals are not on their side is really difficult, I find.
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Salt n Reba McEntire posted:That being said, I like scampi and lemon Nik-Naks. 
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Jul 19, 2021 12:41
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shimmy shimmy posted:There was a big push in the 90s and 2000s for "tort reform", which is to say restricting what you can get in awards to certain (often very low) caps. It was just greedy people trying to get a free buck out of hard-working companies and their scummy, ambulance-chasing lawyers that were the issue. Corporations pushed this line extremely hard, as well as making sure that the 'McDonalds coffee lady' was the butt of every joke possible for years. The McDonalds case is really interesting to me in how a marketing company so effectively changed the almost worldwide narrative of the incident. If you talk to most people who know about it, you'll get some variant of 'Someone spilled coffee on them while driving and carrying the cup between their legs and then complained that they weren't told it would be hot.' You know, spun like the person is an absolute idiot and it was just coffee, how bad can it be? And then you actually read about it and realise that they weren't driving, it was a 70 year old lady who was a passenger and the car was still. McDonalds were keeping the coffee in a near to boiling state constantly and the cups they provided were not double walled so it would literally scald your hand from holding it. And that's even before you get into the injuries the poor lady received. It caused 3rd degree burns to her legs and genitals and in fact nearly killed her. And then you also hear they'd previously had over 500 complaints about customers being burnt and had still not done anything about it. I believe their reasoning for the molten hot coffee was that when people were picking it up and driving to their work/home the execs still wanted it to be hot, and that could be a 20 minute trip. I remember the distorted story being used by literally every company owner I have worked for as an excuse for not implementing some health and safety measure.
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Jul 19, 2021 12:41
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Barry Foster posted:Trying to get people who are new to left wing politics to fully grasp that liberals are not on their side is really difficult, I find. Boy do I hate political movements that co-opt names that evoke the opposite of what they stand for. This might be why I get so mad about Starmer's labour.
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Jul 19, 2021 12:48
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therattle posted:Yep. That makes sense. Liberals = right-wingers = fascists is really simplistic. It's been too long since I've had to recommend Domenico Losurdo's Liberalism: A Counter-History but you should read it. It's easy to find on LibCom if you don't fancy paying for it
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Jul 19, 2021 12:50
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serious gaylord posted:The McDonalds case is really interesting to me in how a marketing company so effectively changed the almost worldwide narrative of the incident. If you talk to most people who know about it, you'll get some variant of 'Someone spilled coffee on them while driving and carrying the cup between their legs and then complained that they weren't told it would be hot.' You know, spun like the person is an absolute idiot and it was just coffee, how bad can it be? I will go out of my way in work and social situations to correct this every time it gets brought up because it’s amazing how pervasive the misinformation is.
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Jul 19, 2021 12:51
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serious gaylord posted:
It's also a good example of what happens when Accountants make decisions. It was cheaper to hire an expensive PR firm to rewrite the narrative than it would be to make changes. Just like how the Ford Pinto was known to be a death trap. But the money men worked out it was cheaper to let people die and settle the cases than it would have been to do a full recall.
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Jul 19, 2021 12:52
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serious gaylord posted:The McDonalds case is really interesting to me in how a marketing company so effectively changed the almost worldwide narrative of the incident. If you talk to most people who know about it, you'll get some variant of 'Someone spilled coffee on them while driving and carrying the cup between their legs and then complained that they weren't told it would be hot.' You know, spun like the person is an absolute idiot and it was just coffee, how bad can it be? She also only wanted $20k to cover her medical bills + lost income. McDonald’s refused that amount and offered $800. It was the jury that increased the punitive damages!
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Jul 19, 2021 12:56
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Lord Ludikrous posted:I will go out of my way in work and social situations to correct this every time it gets brought up because it’s amazing how pervasive the misinformation is. This. Even normally Correct people often come out with the "haha, stupid litigious American pours lukewarm coffee on herself while drifting"-adjacent variants, probably in part because it's reflexive to feel superior to Americans here in Europe. Though I hadn't heard the keeping it hot on the long drive aspect, which is quite an American thing. They will drive a distance for food and drink that I would consider a burdensome trek, but that's car-centric sprawl for you. And no excuse for lava coffee.
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Jul 19, 2021 12:58
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I'm incredibly lucky with the GP. It's a same day system so you phone up at 8.30 and tell them what's up, then the triage nurse calls you back and arranges an in person or phone based appointment with the relevant person (GP/nurse/physio etc) Some days it is a pain to get through but 90% of the time it's fine. The fact that it's literally across the road and only 1 minute from my front door is also pretty cool.
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Lord Ludikrous posted:I will go out of my way in work and social situations to correct this every time it gets brought up because it’s amazing how pervasive the misinformation is. This is a good share for that one: https://youtu.be/s_jaU5V9FUg
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