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i work with mutual aid ppl in my community and they have this little book available to people to explain the tenets of mutual aid. the first example, in the preface, of a positive expression of mutual aid, is Hong Kong protestors in 2020 blowing up a quarantine hospital during Covid Lol.
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scan and post lol
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pnac attack posted:i'm talking about operating at a scale you actually have agency at. governments are made up. if you just pretend they don't exist they pretty much don't. this system cannot stand so develop skills and get with your neighbors and work outside of it as much as you can. that's how everything works at the bottom anyways. if i climb it will be slow, i'm bringing everyone i know and stopping on the 6th or 7th rung. worry about the problems within your sphere of influence. where your actions actually matter. rapists exist and the world's on fire, but what can you do about that that's more useful than being there for whoever you're with? Oh so just sovereign citizen bullshit. How derivative.
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Fortaleza posted:This honeypot thread rules
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seems like pretty bad 'leftism' to view the individual as the most important unit of society, but whatever
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Like it's just rewarmed objectivism with more weed smoking and music lyrics.
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Jul 19, 2021 07:47
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Sedisp posted:Like it's just rewarmed objectivism with more weed smoking and music lyrics. horseshoe theory is right but only when you apply it to anarchism and libertarianism
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my bony fealty posted:horseshoe theory is right but only when you apply it to anarchism and libertarianism Yeah. Seeing a redditor's political ideas personified has been a wild night
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Bro have you ever thought of like how people like they don't exist if you just like pretend they don't. That's hella based bruh
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In Training posted:i work with mutual aid ppl in my community and they have this little book available to people to explain the tenets of mutual aid. the first example, in the preface, of a positive expression of mutual aid, is Hong Kong protestors in 2020 blowing up a quarantine hospital during Covid Lol. Hong Kong is one of the most hyper capitalist and unequal societies on earth, of COURSE anarchists loving love it lmao
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Epic High Five posted:Anarchism is when you mistake a police withdrawal for a conquest and get your zone with hard borders turned into an amusement park for liberals until your own security, made paranoid by a still operating openly mafioso rib stand and a tiktok influencer arming his loyalists, executes two black teenagers The king of anarchists really embarrassed themselves with that one But really, if people are gonna try and blame anarchists in general for every thing that happens, aren't there gonna be some questions back about the millions more deaths from communism? Anarchists are so ineffective they couldn't kill at that scale if they wanted to. xtal has issued a correction as of 12:26 on Jul 19, 2021 |
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No True Anarchist
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One simple trick to avoid all accountability is having no leaders to point a finger at 
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Kaedric posted:What is the answer to this in a post-communist society? Not being glib, actually want to know. We haven’t even got to communism and you are already trying to figure out post communism? Where are you in time and space? You are asking a question that has no answer
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xtal posted:The king of anarchists really embarrassed themselves with that one which millions of deaths are those
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John Charity Spring posted:which millions of deaths are those I was thinking of the three years of famine when I wrote it, but there are probably other examples
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John Charity Spring posted:which millions of deaths are those Communism has not yet replaced capitalism so every death caused by capitalism is a victim of communism.
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xtal posted:I was thinking of the three years of famine when I wrote it, but there are probably other examples Your argument that anarchism couldn't organize a large enough society to fail millions is really not the shining endorsement you think it is.
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xtal posted:The king of anarchists really embarrassed themselves with that one lmfao
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anarchists are SOoOoooOooOoOoO stupid lol
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the only differences between anarchists and libertarians are that libertarians like the market and anarchists don't, and libertarians say "contract" when anarchists say "consent". That's it, because they're both just different flavors of liberal -- the only thing that has any rights or freedoms, is the isolated, sovereign individual, and the only thing that matters is their subjective experience. actually the libertarian is a lot more coherent because contracts are understood to include consequences for the breaking of it, whereas if you act badly (???) a leaderless (???) horizontal group of anarchists will spontaneously self-assemble (???) to dispense mob justice. very cool. xtal posted:The king of anarchists really embarrassed themselves with that one ja, mein
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 drat,,,, yall seen this?? huge if true
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Pentecoastal Elites posted:the only differences between anarchists and libertarians are that libertarians like the market and anarchists don't, and libertarians say "contract" when anarchists say "consent". That's it, because they're both just different flavors of liberal -- the only thing that has any rights or freedoms, is the isolated, sovereign individual, and the only thing that matters is their subjective experience. The two foundational trees of anarchism are individual and collective. Anarcho-communism, for example, is just communism without a state. There's nothing individual about it.
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I understand that anarchists have positive feelings about the collective but the exclusive holder of rights and freedoms in anarchism is the individual, as opposed to communism in which the collective is the thing with the rights and freedoms. This is what makes the former liberalism and the latter not
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there is no such thing as collective rights. rights held in collective are just the privileges of whoever is in charge
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liberalism broke your brain dude lol
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conversely, rights held outside the collective are just the privileges demanded by whoever's in charge they're a near-useless concept in the face of clearly stating class interests, tailor-made for 'mom said i got the nintendo until after dinner, and technically the meal we just had was supper' terminal lib logic Mandoric has issued a correction as of 15:47 on Jul 19, 2021 |
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Rutibex posted:there is no such thing as collective rights. rights held in collective are just the privileges of whoever is in charge 
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i mean all the factories and poo poo were collectively owned in the USSR. but it turns out that it was really the commissars running the factories who actually owned them and now they are billionaires and the workers who dedicated their lives to collective ownership got nothing
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that's not accurate at all
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Rutibex posted:i mean all the factories and poo poo were collectively owned in the USSR. but it turns out that it was really the commissars running the factories who actually owned them and now they are billionaires and the workers who dedicated their lives to collective ownership got nothing
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Rutibex posted:i mean all the factories and poo poo were collectively owned in the USSR. but it turns out that it was really the commissars running the factories who actually owned them and now they are billionaires and the workers who dedicated their lives to collective ownership got nothing 
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Imagine the alternate universe where Lenin and his bros horizontally decided to put all their efforts into opening a free shop in their squat.
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there's no book you could possibly write to convince someone of the merits of communism over anarchism that would be even a fraction as powerful as this thread
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It might have been 10 or 15 pages ago but the really libertarian goon said they were 90% convinced about socialism.
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I never thought the militia would curb stomp MY face
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Pentecoastal Elites posted:there's no book you could possibly write to convince someone of the merits of communism over anarchism that would be even a fraction as powerful as this thread
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Ferrinus posted:that's not accurate at all so the party insiders of the USSR didn't steal the state collective property and make themselves billionaires? please tell me how collective ownership of the means of production still works in russia today
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Rutibex posted:so the party insiders of the USSR didn't steal the state collective property and make themselves billionaires? please tell me how collective ownership of the means of production still works in russia today
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