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I got the Moderns shot on Friday, after getting Pfizer the first time. Saturday was a... special experience. Everything hurt, worse than after getting hit by a car when I was 11. I'm better now, and hopefully the crazy strong immune response is a good sign.
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Jul 19, 2021 17:10
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Servetus posted:I got the Moderns shot on Friday, after getting Pfizer the first time. Crazy strong immune system kill you
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Jul 19, 2021 17:18
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Madkal posted:I am feeling rather charitable lately and am wondering what are some good charities to donate to. Nationwide or British Columbia orientated would be good. CFCC - like a food bank but more "teach a man to fish" than "give a man a fish."
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Jul 19, 2021 18:42
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RuBisCO posted:I've always wondered about how to get started about this, admittedly not yet taking the steps to find out. Do you have any tips? Get involved with your local riding association for your choice of party (NDP is a pretty good bet, their grass roots are pretty strong - in theory). Especially if you can bring some friends with you - it's kind of amazing how much influence you can have and how little people tend to be involved at that level. At selection time, join the campaign of the candidate you want selected and volunteer - or run yourself.
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Jul 19, 2021 18:49
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Here we fuckin’ go https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/ottawa-border-measures-reopening-1.6107988 quote:The federal government announced today it plans to let fully vaccinated tourists visit Canada again soon. So that’ll put the 4th wave at a start date of August 21st… get your summer in now before the borders open!
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Jul 19, 2021 19:49
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ChickenDoodle posted:Here we fuckin’ go 4th wave starts when by kids go back to school + 4 weeks.
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Jul 19, 2021 20:08
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ChickenDoodle posted:Here we fuckin’ go Are you really that worried about fully vaccinated people who have to take a test before they arrive? I’d be more worried about large groups of unvaccinated kids in schools at the start of September (though I personally don’t think we’ll have a 4th wave)
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Jul 19, 2021 20:24
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Frank Dillinger posted:4th wave starts when by kids go back to school + 4 weeks. Starks posted:Are you really that worried about fully vaccinated people who have to take a test before they arrive? You’re absolutely right. While my first comment was mostly in jest this is for real a worry. But hopefully soon they can approve a vaccine for the younger kids. I’ll be interested to see if/when the US is going to reciprocate in kind, as they were probably waiting for us to decide first. I have some friends whose families need to go down there to retrieve left behind belongings. And of course those in places like Point Roberts will be able to get back to life without being trapped behind the line. ChickenDoodle fucked around with this message at 20:32 on Jul 19, 2021 |
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Jul 19, 2021 20:29
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ChickenDoodle posted:You’re absolutely right. While my first comment was mostly in jest this is for real a worry. But hopefully soon they can approve a vaccine for the younger kids. I'm concerned about this part. I know it's politically inconvenient, but kids get and transmit covid. CBC posted:A government official speaking on background to journalists today said that, as of Aug. 9, children under 12 — who aren't yet approved to receive a vaccine — will be exempt from the quarantine requirement after entering Canada and can move around with their parents if they follow public health measures. "If the follow public health measures" is pretty BS when a bunch of provinces basically have none now.
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Jul 19, 2021 20:31
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They're still getting tested as far as I can tell. I'm not sure how much further we could reasonably go without, in essence, saying "hey, things are going to remain massively disrupted until we reach the point of perfect safety for everyone," and I don't know that's a good way to go.
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Jul 19, 2021 20:34
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PT6A posted:I'm not sure how much further we could reasonably go without, in essence, saying "hey, things are going to remain massively disrupted until we reach the point of perfect safety for everyone," and I don't know that's a good way to go. It's a thing that a lot of people evidently want, though.
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Jul 19, 2021 20:38
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https://twitter.com/DGBassani/status/1417189560887427076 Yup. e: Honestly the way those curves are going, this plan might get scuttled by the time it's supposed to happen.
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Jul 19, 2021 20:39
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PT6A posted:They're still getting tested as far as I can tell. PCR tests aren't amazing for asymptomatic people in general but there are concerns about their accuracy with asymptomatic kids specifically. It seems daft to me to do this now when approval for kids is around the corner. I guess maybe our governments don't care about kids getting or transmitting covid given that it seems many aren't planning anything for the return to school. BC certainly dgaf.
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Jul 19, 2021 20:42
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The kids thing still bugs me. We either have a significant portion of unvaccinated adults getting sick when their kids circulate covid at school and bring it home, or enough people are vaxxed that it just hoes through the kids themselves and we've got a new plague super good at killing children. I know that the tests for vaccinating under 12s is coming along but it is going slowly and certainly won't be ready for September. And we'll still have the same procurement song and dance again because the factories will still be pumping out adult shots for when we decide that poorer countries are now permitted to get vaccines. It will be the opposition's main talking point for the fall session so they can run a "Justin Trudeau is killing kids" narrative while fuckfaces like Ford, Pallister and Horgan downplay their complete lack of effort to address shortcomings in the last bout of in-class covid learning.
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Jul 19, 2021 20:43
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Arcsquad12 posted:I know that the tests for vaccinating under 12s is coming along but it is going slowly and certainly won't be ready for September. And we'll still have the same procurement song and dance again because the factories will still be pumping out adult shots for when we decide that poorer countries are now permitted to get vaccines. As far as I know: 1) Vaccine testing data for the 6-12 year olds is still expected in mid-September, for both Pfizer and Moderna. 2) The factories already manufacture vials with multiple doses for adults. Iirc correctly the Adult dosage is ~.3ml and the children's dose is going to be 0.05-0.1ml depending on the test results. Ergo, they'll be using the same vaccine out of the same vials and we shouldn't have procurement issues. 3) The vaccine for 12-18 year olds was approved on May 5th and they started administering to that cohort on May 23rd.  e: If anyone has reputable conflicting information please share. I'm certainly not an authority on vaccine development. Another Bill fucked around with this message at 21:20 on Jul 19, 2021 |
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Jul 19, 2021 20:52
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My 19-year-old daughter and I got moderna last Thursday (both Pfizer the first time around) and today she’s in the hospital for what they think is vaccine-induced myocarditis. Y’all should still get your shots if you haven’t, and she agrees.
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Jul 19, 2021 21:54
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PT6A posted:They're still getting tested as far as I can tell. It would be a great way, to go IF we were willing to actually commit to something other than tepid half-measures so that we could actually reach "perfect safety for everyone". But the boat on that has sailed a long time ago, and even eminently reasonable public-minded people have lost all trust in any level of government's ability to make decisions or, honestly, any kind of progress at all. Fully vaccinated people who have recently taken a test is literally as safe as it's ever going to get.
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Jul 19, 2021 21:58
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TheCenturion posted:My 19-year-old daughter and I got moderna last Thursday (both Pfizer the first time around) and today she’s in the hospital for what they think is vaccine-induced myocarditis. Ooof. Sorry, that's awful. I hope she pulls through okay. I had that same cocktail last week and essentially no side effects at all
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Jul 19, 2021 21:58
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Muscle Tracer posted:It would be a great way, to go IF we were willing to actually commit to something other than tepid half-measures so that we could actually reach "perfect safety for everyone". But the boat on that has sailed a long time ago, and even eminently reasonable public-minded people have lost all trust in any level of government's ability to make decisions or, honestly, any kind of progress at all. Yes, I agree. If we were willing to actually commit to getting this poo poo solved, or had indeed shown any willingness to do so over the past year, perhaps it would be worth holding out longer. We aren't willing, so why worry about the border at this point? We have community spread and no one's doing anything and schools are going to be open with minimal precautions, why then would we decide the border is the sole place in which we should exercise caution? TheCenturion posted:My 19-year-old daughter and I got moderna last Thursday (both Pfizer the first time around) and today she’s in the hospital for what they think is vaccine-induced myocarditis. I'm sorry to hear that, hope everything improves soon!
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Jul 19, 2021 22:02
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RuBisCO posted:I've always wondered about how to get started about this, admittedly not yet taking the steps to find out. Do you have any tips? It largely depends on the party (because different parties have different cultures and different levels of government have different structures, etc) but the best way to get involved is to sign up as a member during the nomination process for whatever office or seat is being contested. So for instance with a left wing municipal party, you would get involved while they are nominating candidates for city council, so you can throw your vote and volunteer time to the slate you want to see up for election, and then coincidentally you're learning more about the party itself, who is pushing what agenda among party staff, etc. Maybe you get to know party staff and decide they're cool and volunteer for them too, etc etc. The same thing works for MLAs and MPs, you just find out what riding you're in, and then keep an eye on the NDP/Green/Marxist/whatever party's nomination contest for that riding. It's the best way to get your foot in the door and it lets you learn who is worth supporting rather than coming late to the party and being faced with some turd sandwich of a "left wing" candidate cough cough Melanie Mark
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Jul 19, 2021 22:54
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Honestly it depends how strictly they are gonna police the 'must be vaccinated' part. Does the US even have a vaccine card or something similar?
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Jul 20, 2021 02:48
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Does anyone have a cbc article handy to tell me how I should feel about the wildfire smoke haze over Ottawa today?
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Jul 20, 2021 03:41
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Arcsquad12 posted:Does anyone have a cbc article handy to tell me how I should feel about the wildfire smoke haze over Ottawa today? Toronto, too There's been visible haze all day and it looked like sunset around 4pm
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Jul 20, 2021 03:44
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Alctel posted:Honestly it depends how strictly they are gonna police the 'must be vaccinated' part. Does the US even have a vaccine card or something similar? Yes, there is a CDC card that everyone gets in the states when getting vaccinated.
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Jul 20, 2021 04:02
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Arcsquad12 posted:Does anyone have a cbc article handy to tell me how I should feel about the wildfire smoke haze over Ottawa today? Well, I did find one place in rural Japan with a weird spike of 800 on the pm 2.5 scale, but everywhere else in Japan was under 50 so I think someone kicked the monitoring station into a campfire or something.
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Jul 20, 2021 04:46
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Apple introduced AQI for Canada into their weather app with their latest iOS update. 
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Jul 20, 2021 05:22
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Danes already have a national ID number and your vaccination status is registered to it. You get a printable certificate with a QR code on it, there's phone apps to show or scan the QR code. If Ontario had decided to do so, just use health card number and set up a database with like a dozen fields or so. Too late now, I guess. vaccines.gov.on.ca or something
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Jul 20, 2021 07:10
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With an election next year, Ford probably realizes that a significant chunk of his base would stay home if he did that. lol https://twitter.com/CharlieAngusNDP/status/1417243417969635335?s=20 Chemtrailologist fucked around with this message at 08:55 on Jul 20, 2021 |
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Jul 20, 2021 08:06
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Arcsquad12 posted:Does anyone have a cbc article handy to tell me how I should feel about the wildfire smoke haze over Ottawa today? It means everything is fine, more smoke means more safety from the sun's punishing rays
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Jul 20, 2021 11:28
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Ego-bot posted:With an election next year, Ford probably realizes that a significant chunk of his base would stay home if he did that. Big Changus strikes again
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Jul 20, 2021 13:05
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Furnaceface posted:Its not exactly hesitancy to get the shot, its hesitancy to get a specific shot. Ontario at least did really well for first shot compliance but second shot seems to be lagging. I cannot stress enough how much of my day is spent answering the phone for people shopping around looking specifically for Pfizer only. Our fully vaccinated population could hit a wall at the current pace and that just makes me angry. Doubly so when I see how eager young people are to get whatever is available despite constantly shouldering the blame by politicians and the media for the slowing vaccination rates and spread of the virus. I'm so confused as to how this happened. There seems to be a fairly widespread view that Moderna is somehow inferior to Pfizer and it's like it just bubbled up out of nowhere. They're pretty much identical in terms of technology, efficacy, and side effects so what the hell happened? Hell, Moderna could be considered better from a logistics view because it doesn't require as cold temperatures for storage. Are you allowed to ask why they're looking specifically for Pfizer, and if so what do they usually say? I wonder if anyone's done a survey to dig into what's driving this.
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Jul 20, 2021 13:42
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I think it's because Pfizer was getting all the news coverage early on since that's the vaccine we were getting more of. I just remember hearing about Pfizer and Moderna barely being mentioned.
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Jul 20, 2021 13:55
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Supposedly Pfizer has been doing really extensive PR/marketing as well
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Jul 20, 2021 14:14
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Brand name recognition is a real thing, people want the dick pill company. Plus the anecdotal reports that Pfizer side effects are less than Moderna
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Jul 20, 2021 14:26
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Vaccine shopping is happening because we’ve already had indications that mixing vaccines may not be a recognized vaccination method in many parts of the world. This is a strategy that Canada has adopted and may leave a lot of people very angry when they find out they can’t enter into many countries. This has already begun to happen.
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Jul 20, 2021 14:30
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MA-Horus posted:Brand name recognition is a real thing, people want the dick pill company. Based on convos I've had with people that are delaying their second shot, it's more about not mixing than getting any one brand. For a while we were swimming in Pfizer and had barely any Moderna and now it's the other way around. I don't even know anyone who got Moderna for their first shot.
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Jul 20, 2021 14:33
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Starks posted:Based on convos I've had with people that are delaying their second shot, it's more about not mixing than getting any one brand. For a while we were swimming in Pfizer and had barely any Moderna and now it's the other way around. I don't even know anyone who got Moderna for their first shot. Which is funny cause out here in BC I’m the odd one out for getting Pfizer both times while my entire family got Moderna twice. And each time they asked us which one we got and we’re able to match up so we didn’t have any mixing. Thinking about it, I don’t think I personally know anyone here who had to mix unless they got AZ…
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Jul 20, 2021 14:40
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Starks posted:Based on convos I've had with people that are delaying their second shot, it's more about not mixing than getting any one brand. For a while we were swimming in Pfizer and had barely any Moderna and now it's the other way around. I don't even know anyone who got Moderna for their first shot. I'm hoping that once essentially everyone in the country who wants it is double vaxxed they allow for triple vaxxing just to fix this issue. I don't leave the country that often but I'm pretty sure having an AZ/P mix is going to keep me from going p much anywhere.
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Jul 20, 2021 15:15
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ChickenDoodle posted:Which is funny cause out here in BC I’m the odd one out for getting Pfizer both times while my entire family got Moderna twice. And each time they asked us which one we got and we’re able to match up so we didn’t have any mixing. Yeah, in Alberta, all of my family got double-Pfizer, and our friends tended to get double-Moderna. I think it's something of a large issue as long as other places aren't accepting vaccine mixing, because it creates a situation where, based entirely on luck, people who have the same protection are either allowed or forbidden from doing things in other countries. I think allowing mixing was probably the best choice, but now it's the Canadian government's responsibility to engage in some diplomacy and make sure that other countries accept our approved dosing, in my opinion. Canadians did the right thing by taking the first available vaccine, now the government needs to stick up for those people.
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Jul 20, 2021 15:15
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Other countries are doing vaccine mixing, following Canada's lead. Thailand, France, Germany.... a quick Google and it looks like India and ASEAN are considering making it their official policy soon too. Don't stress about not being able to travel, this isn't just Canada's problem and will get ironed out probably sooner than later.
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Jul 20, 2021 15:23
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