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xtal posted:You should reject anyone who wants power, they're the least deserving of it lmao infantile baby talk
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"It's not authoritarian when I do it" - the anarchist
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Ferrinus posted:you sound like the latest adam curtis documentary. "power" this and "power" that, not a whiff of "class" or "capital" It's a quote mate my bony fealty posted:lmao infantile baby talk Well you were acting like a baby lol
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xtal posted:It's a quote mate a quote you chose, and chose to expand on, because it was completely devoid of materialist content. "power" empty of context isn't why revolutions fail or succeed
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gently caress FASCISTS BASH THE FASH THE ONLY GOOD FASCIST IS A DEAD FASCISt but you know they make some really compelling points about the horrors of authoritarian communism
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xtal posted:It's a quote mate from a british aristocrat who believed that taking away slaves by force was evil
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xtal posted:That's the best part. Wiki says a "communist society is characterized by common ownership of the means of production with free access to the articles of consumption and is classless and stateless, implying the end of the exploitation of labour." the funny thing about that power corrupts pithy phrase is that it was coined by a guy who was a hardcore confederate sympathizer
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wish that lord would actoff
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Are the Hutterites communists or anarchists? Wrong answers only.
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what really pushed me over from anarchist to MLM was realizing that even if 'power' was loving Frostmorune and corrupted all it would touch (thank u for the goon who articulated that dumb comparsion i think about it a lot) its still loving worth it to destroy the bourgise. We can either all die horrible as the upper class loving pulp us for fun and profit or we can take a chance and fight for a better world, no matter the risks.
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sitting in the lotus position on a golden palanquin perched on the peak of the Kunlun, completely enlightened, my third eye fully open and the vibratory frequency of my chi perfectly in sync with the universe: dictatorship of the proletariat? no thank's its got dictatorship right in the name!!
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real socialism means basing your school of thought on the bon mots of some 19th century slaver-defending english aristo, and if you disagree you're obviously just chomping at the bit to introduce double megatyranny
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xtal posted:Well you were acting like a baby lol huh?
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# ? Jul 19, 2021 21:27 |
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xtal stop posting like an anime villain
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Pentecoastal Elites posted:sitting in the lotus position on a golden palanquin perched on the peak of the Kunlun, completely enlightened, my third eye fully open and the vibratory frequency of my chi perfectly in sync with the universe: dictatorship of the proletariat? no thank's its got dictatorship right in the name!! Anarchists don't read theory, give them the wikipedia quote at least: quote:Lenin wrote that the use of the term dictatorship "does not refer to the Classical Roman concept of the dictatura (the governance of a state by a small group with no democratic process), but instead to the Marxist concept of dictatorship (that an entire societal class holds political and economic control, within a democratic system).
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smdh at all this confusion because Marx didn't know what a dictatorship was
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"These gentlemen think that when they have changed the names of things they have changed the things themselves. This is how these profound thinkers mock at the whole world." —Engels, On Authority.
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https://twitter.com/anarchopac/status/1416094377244569605 https://twitter.com/anarchopac/status/1416096767179907076
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mandated delegates in our non-hierarchical society
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AnimeIsTrash posted:https://twitter.com/anarchopac/status/1416094377244569605 anarchists talk like bosses talk. seems suspect.
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Btw I have to stress I love anarchists, I feel like you're our ideological little brothers and sisters. No hard feelings. I'll look after you. You're innocent and just need some guidance.
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confederation of a federation of an assembly of a
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AnimeIsTrash posted:https://twitter.com/anarchopac/status/1416094377244569605
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Ferrinus posted:it varies by the country Ferrinus posted:the big takeaway from this stuff for me is that the big challenge actually facing communism is defeating the west. insofar as your bureaucracy and technical intelligentsia are able to metastasize into a capitalist class that's out of your control, that's a symptom of you getting couped or losing a trade war or something. if you can keep hold of your own economy then there's still obviously going to be corruption, graft, whatever, but those things are just regular-rear end symptoms of living in a society, and able to be managed by that selfsame society, rather than existential threats to worker power mila kunis posted:First, in communist countries there was less economic inequality than under capitalism. The perks enjoyed by party and government elites were modest by corporate CEO standards in the West, as were their personal incomes and life styles. Soviet leaders like Yu ri Andropov and Leonid Brezhnev lived not in lavishly appointed mansions like the White House, but in relatively large apartments in a housing project near the Kremlin set aside for government leaders. They had limousines at their disposal (like most other heads of state) and access to large dachas where they entertained visiting dignitaries. But they had none of the immense personal wealth that most U.S. leaders possess. Sorry for the giant block quotes. Thank you for answering, this is helpful to me. I have been a pretty vociferous defender of leftist governments in the western hemisphere (communist or otherwise), but felt that strange disconnect when discussing China (and, though I don't want to cross that bridge just yet, North Korea). I think this is the final hurdle for me to accept communism. My feelings about it have pretty much been "yes, I wish it HAD worked out, but what we got instead was a corrupt government that just swung right back towards (state) capitalism when it got the chance/when the great leader died." The trajectory of China specifically in the last handful of decades put me in a mindset where I have been completely dismissive of either side (right or left) calling it communist, let alone socialist. I have watched some of Luna Oi's content before, and felt similarly about Vietnam. It seems like there was always an excuse, like "well we are a communist country, but now we have to become capitalist for *reasons*", and to me it just feels like a terrible slippery slope, where those folks will get in power and then it will be near impossible to scrape off the barnacles. I am heartened by your words above, while also admittedly still being skeptical that China will follow through, but I don't know how much of that is simply because hope has been crushed within me due to living in our lovely american hellscape. I feel like the power of capital is so overwhelming that there is almost nothing we can do to stop it. The recent wardrum beating over Cuba I just find insanely frustrating. Capital will suffer no one to oppose it, no matter how small. I will add Blackshirts and Reds to my reading list. Am still taking suggestions for any further study. I still need to watch the videos linked previously, just haven't found time.
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AnimeIsTrash posted:https://twitter.com/anarchopac/status/1416094377244569605 this is the kind of response that cured my anarchism -- the solution to researching a vaccine, initial production of a vaccine, testing a vaccine, scaling up production of a vaccine, and distributing a vaccine is "ask the workers that make the vaccine". yes, the dozens of individual worker collectives involved at each step of this process will come together and generate a coordinated response for all of society, and it won't affect productivity one bit when manufacturing has to constantly engage with the 40,000 distribution networks that each cover 100 square miles this sure doesn't need to be managed by something that has the monopoly of violence but the notion that nothing needs to be managed because local collectives can do it all, hmmmm eventually they just work themselves into something that is literally just boilerplate MLM, or they backpedal and say "oh but this hierarchy has no actual power" BRAKE FOR MOOSE has issued a correction as of 23:28 on Jul 19, 2021 |
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Medicine would actually be more developed under anarchism because the statist licensing process enforces redlining. Communists are pretty much people who understood class war but stopped short of intersectionality.
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lmao
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Kaedric posted:Sorry for the giant block quotes. Thank you for answering, this is helpful to me. I have been a pretty vociferous defender of leftist governments in the western hemisphere (communist or otherwise), but felt that strange disconnect when discussing China (and, though I don't want to cross that bridge just yet, North Korea). I think this is the final hurdle for me to accept communism. My feelings about it have pretty much been "yes, I wish it HAD worked out, but what we got instead was a corrupt government that just swung right back towards (state) capitalism when it got the chance/when the great leader died." The trajectory of China specifically in the last handful of decades put me in a mindset where I have been completely dismissive of either side (right or left) calling it communist, let alone socialist. i would say what finally made me a conscious communist rather than just a vague Socialist or Leftist or whatever was a post by a friend of mine singing the praises of the USSR and mao-era china but which, ironically, dismissed china as having abandoned the capitalist project years ago. he wrote that post in like 2010 or something and nowadays is much more optimistic about pres. xi liberating us with his chengdu j-20 air superiority fighters. actually you know what let me go find the post: https://forum.mrmoneymustache.com/m...4pv776rcftbadt9 quote:
you're basically gonna hear about the threats posed by/corruption inherent to socialist states in proportion to the annoyance or actual threat they pose to western capital, which is why china stuff is ramping up recently, most of latin america is a constant drumbeat, but EZLN or rojava are basically never mentioned... yet. with china in particular i don't even know that our masters in the west see them as a threat because of their communism per se, it might just be that their labor standards and protectionist policies have hardened to the point that a few of our big corporations have gotten colicky about it and our state's job is keeping corporations happy Ferrinus has issued a correction as of 00:10 on Jul 20, 2021 |
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xtal posted:Medicine would actually be more developed under anarchism because the statist licensing process enforces redlining. this is basically a word salad, but i am going to seize on some of your phrasing here to point out that it's only communists who have ever made good on organizing around and solving the various discrimination and bigotry issues that nowadays are often referenced by the word "intersectionality", because communist revolutions have classically also been national liberation struggles
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xtal posted:Medicine would actually be more developed under anarchism because the statist licensing process enforces redlining. lmao just imagine the battles between the vaccine collective, the homeopathy collective, and the naturopath (weed) collective
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The most well-known anarchist pharmacist might have taken a lot of dissociatives and drowned in a bathtub. But they also made cheap, accessible versions of insulin and epinephrine. So, it;s impossible to say if its bad or not
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# ? Jul 20, 2021 00:07 |
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what if we have a full-fledged libertarian battle royale, but get this, nobody is in charge and you can never go out of business
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Watching through my curtains as my town horizontally delegate on whether they should lynch me or not. The verdict is yes. I shed a single tear, content in the knowledge that this was an intersectional process.
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the state didn't wither away in AES countries because they've been engaged in ongoing global class conflict, not because they held on to the One Ring for too long
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:the state didn't wither away in AES countries because they've been engaged in ongoing global class conflict, not because they held on to the One Ring for too long yeah lenin's prediction for the withering away of the state didn't fail to come to pass. rather, the conditions for it to be tested haven't existed yet, because there's still a global bourgeoisie to defend against and ultimately suppress
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xtal posted:Medicine would actually be more developed under anarchism because the statist licensing process enforces redlining. do you even understand what any of those words mean?
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it would be wrong even if all the words were used correctly. amazing post lol
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AnimeIsTrash posted:https://twitter.com/anarchopac/status/1416094377244569605 am i wrong or isn't she the person who spent a quarter million getting a degree in anarchy?
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