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Hey all, I managed to snag a Gigabyte 3070Ti today only to find out it's comically large with three fans and won't fit in my ATX case. The card is almost the full width of the case, and is slightly taller than the width of the drive mount which takes up the opposite side so I can't just slide it in diagonally. My case is about 8 years old (and unfortunately has no labeling so I don't know the name), has the standard layout changed around a bit? Or is the expectation with enthusiast cards that you go the extra mile and buy cases with a special layout?
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Jul 19, 2021 05:49
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Modern cases allow for the new normal, yeah. But you can also sometimes rip poo poo out of old cases to make it fit. The good news is that relative to all the other stuff, cases are pretty cheap. Define r series from fractal design are a thread favorite.
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Jul 19, 2021 06:00
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sdasdas posted:Hey all, I managed to snag a Gigabyte 3070Ti today only to find out it's comically large with three fans and won't fit in my ATX case. The card is almost the full width of the case, and is slightly taller than the width of the drive mount which takes up the opposite side so I can't just slide it in diagonally. My case is about 8 years old (and unfortunately has no labeling so I don't know the name), has the standard layout changed around a bit? Or is the expectation with enthusiast cards that you go the extra mile and buy cases with a special layout? If anything, modern cases have gotten smaller. The main difference is that there aren't any drive bays hanging out at the front of the chasis anymore. 2.5" drives are attached to the various panels in an unobtrusive way, and 3.5" drive cages, if there are any at all, are tucked away in a corner somewhere (usually by the PSU). I'd see if you can remove those drive bays first. VelociBacon posted:Modern cases allow for the new normal, yeah. But you can also sometimes rip poo poo out of old cases to make it fit. The Define series are some people's favorites but I don't think there's any consensus on case preference at all, really. The define series in particular is not ideal for airflow. I wouldn't recommend it unless you want that solid front panel design (or if you want 5.25" external drive bays). I'd much sooner recommend Fractal Designs' Meshify 2 line, all of which are perfectly solid. Phanteks' mesh-fronted Eclipse and Enthoo cases are also good, as are the Corsair 4000D and 5000D cases, CoolerMaster's mesh cases, Be Quiet Silent Base 802 and Pure Base 500DX, Lian Li Lancool II Mesh and Lancool 215, NZXT 710, and probably some others I'm forgetting. Pick whichever one of those suits your fancy and you're good. There are also quite a few good gimmicky cases like the Lian Li O11 (a personal favorite) and the Seasonic Syncro (when combined with their special power supply). With those gimmicky cases, you have to be extra sure about your cooling plan. You can get away with some sub-optimal case designs with smart planning and/or sheer power (more fans rarely hurts (though sometimes they do actually hurt)) I feel like small form factor cases have also become a lot more popular, but that's a whole other can of worms (SFF/ITX thread here: https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3776587) edit: I checked Newegg's best sellers to see if there was anything notable I missed, and there wasn't, but I was surprised to see the O11 Dynamic in the #2 spot. I know it has a lot of appeal for not being lame gamer aesthetic and having a minimal modernist look, but I would've thought it would be more niche with its non-standard fan slot layout and emphasis on water cooling (and no included fans, making it a rather expensive case once you add the cost of fans to it). It's really popular anyway, though. I know I've been considering doing my next build in one. It seems neat. Dr. Video Games 0031 fucked around with this message at 11:38 on Jul 19, 2021 |
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Jul 19, 2021 06:17
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Dr. Video Games 0031 posted:I was surprised to see the O11 Dynamic in the #2 spot. I know it has a lot of appeal for not being lame gamer aesthetic and having a minimal modernist look Lol, looking at that case I'm pretty sure it's as high up as it is because it allows for the maximum amount of RGB unicorn vomit fans to be on display at once
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Jul 19, 2021 12:00
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Butterfly Valley posted:Lol, looking at that case I'm pretty sure it's as high up as it is because it allows for the maximum amount of RGB unicorn vomit fans to be on display at once I haven't used it, but it's apparently a very well-built case with some smart design features. I'm a fan of the shorter and fatter form factor where the PSU is located on the other side of the motherboard tray. Ultimately though people just like showing off and looking at their rigs.
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Jul 19, 2021 13:01
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I believe you need to take the top off that case to remove any panels.
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Jul 19, 2021 13:19
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VelociBacon posted:I believe you need to take the top off that case to remove any panels. Yeah. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmYcKg0x4bw&t=189s
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Jul 19, 2021 13:29
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Dr. Video Games 0031 posted:I haven't used it, but it's apparently a very well-built case with some smart design features. I'm a fan of the shorter and fatter form factor where the PSU is located on the other side of the motherboard tray. Ultimately though people just like showing off and looking at their rigs. Oh yeah I'm not saying anything against the build quality or features, but it seems clearly designed for that section of the market who want to fill it with flashy RGB components which I would say are generally the opposite of minimalist
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Jul 19, 2021 14:58
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Dr. Video Games 0031 posted:I haven't used it, but it's apparently a very well-built case with some smart design features. I'm a fan of the shorter and fatter form factor where the PSU is located on the other side of the motherboard tray. Ultimately though people just like showing off and looking at their rigs. It’s a really nice case to build in, lots of space and well-designed. You do have to take the top off to remove any panels, but it’s two thumbscrews and the top is what retains the side panels so it’s actually easier overall than a Meshify or similar. (Having built in both, I prefer the O11 to work in.)
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Jul 19, 2021 15:06
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Three hours and cleaning up blood from the sharp cooler fins and I figure out one of the ram sticks is bad. gently caress me. At least one works so I can install windows and at least prep/update the system. I will never not check for post prior to installing the cooler again.
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Jul 19, 2021 15:12
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So, it looks like Asus is selling the 3070 Ti in a bundle with a PC case off their own site? Is there a catch to this that I'm missing somehow? I kept looking to see if it was a scam or a fake store but as far as I can tell it's legit; I'm just wondering why it's still in stock this morning if that's so.
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Jul 19, 2021 16:30
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That's their 39.7L "ITX" case; pretty sure it was not reviewed well by anyone.
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Jul 19, 2021 16:35
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denereal visease posted:That's their 39.7L "ITX" case; pretty sure it was not reviewed well by anyone. I admit I wasn't thrilled by the case; I just didn't think that a mandatory bundle with an unpopular product was enough to stop a genuine graphics card from flying off the shelves.
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Jul 19, 2021 16:39
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Quick question as it's been a few years since I last got a new graphics card. (Boy things have changed!) The new one I've ordered has this on the spec: Minimum of a 750 Watt power supply. Two available 8-pin or 6+2pin PCIe power dongles Am I being dumb in assuming I can just use two 6+2 PCIe power dongles? I currently have a EVGA 850w currently installed but it has no 8 pin dongles. It would be great to save myself buying yet another PSU.
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Jul 19, 2021 17:49
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Yes, that's what 6+2 pins are for.
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Jul 19, 2021 17:52
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CoolCab posted:Yes, that's what 6+2 pins are for. Awesome, I was worried I needed one of them as a 8 pin figuring it might be different. Good to know!
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Jul 19, 2021 17:55
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Don't be a dumb gently caress like me and struggle to get the Bluetooth working before realizing the Wi-Fi antenna also is the Bluetooth antenna. I've been up all night with this poo poo LOL.
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Jul 19, 2021 19:24
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I've had a chance to do some but not exhaustive research. Just to recap, quoting my use-case below. Little fishes posted:What country are you in? My first stab at a build: PCPartPicker Part List CPU: AMD Ryzen 9 5900X 3.7 GHz 12-Core Processor (£504.81 @ Technextday) CPU Cooler: Scythe FUMA 2 51.17 CFM CPU Cooler (£52.27 @ Overclockers.co.uk) Motherboard: Asus ROG STRIX B550-F GAMING (WI-FI) ATX AM4 Motherboard (£137.96 @ Infinite Computing) Memory: Crucial Ballistix 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3600 CL16 Memory (£193.85 @ Newegg UK) Storage: Western Digital SN750 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive (£108.48 @ Ebuyer) Storage: Western Digital Blue 3 TB 3.5" 5400RPM Internal Hard Drive (Purchased For £0.00) Storage: Western Digital Blue 3 TB 3.5" 5400RPM Internal Hard Drive (Purchased For £0.00) Storage: Western Digital Caviar Black 1 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (Purchased For £0.00) Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 7950 3 GB Video Card (Purchased For £0.00) Case: Fractal Design Define R6 USB-C Blackout ATX Mid Tower Case (£139.15 @ More Computers) Power Supply: Corsair TXM Gold 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply (£75.98 @ Amazon UK) Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Pro OEM 64-bit (£15.00) Monitor: Dell 1909W 19.0" 1440x900 60 Hz Monitor (Purchased For £0.00) Monitor: BenQ EL2870U 28.0" 3840x2160 60 Hz Monitor (Purchased For £0.00) Total: £1227.50 Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available Generated by PCPartPicker 2021-07-19 19:26 BST+0100 I think both the case and motherboard are likely overkill. I liked the look of the case, the filters/sound-proofing and front USB-C. I ended up paying a little more for the motherboard as it had USB 3.2 Gen 1 Headers, Wi-Fi/Bluetooth and a better than average sound chip. Does USB backwards compatibility extend to the headers? The case is Gen 2 but the motherboard is Gen 1. It's still a ways to go. Feel free to hurt my feelings.
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Jul 19, 2021 19:39
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LorneReams posted:Don't be a dumb gently caress like me and struggle to get the Bluetooth working before realizing the Wi-Fi antenna also is the Bluetooth antenna. I've been up all night with this poo poo LOL. A lot of times the Bluetooth part of the adapter requires a cord into a free USB hub on the main board, too!  https://twitter.com/lorriehancock18/status/1416587544892887042?s=21 Please consult a medical professional if your erection lasts longer than five hours...
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Jul 19, 2021 20:17
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LorneReams posted:Don't be a dumb gently caress like me and struggle to get the Bluetooth working before realizing the Wi-Fi antenna also is the Bluetooth antenna. I've been up all night with this poo poo LOL. I'm torn between thinking "why does it need a Bluetooth antenna" and "honestly, my PC Bluetooth has always sucked, maybe I do need an antenna."
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Jul 19, 2021 20:30
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My google searches are insane. One is "Will blood on heat sink fins cause issues" and "what pin is the negative on the reset button"
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Jul 19, 2021 20:42
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LorneReams posted:My google searches are insane. One is "Will blood on heat sink fins cause issues" and "what pin is the negative on the reset button" Blood improves airflow
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Jul 19, 2021 20:52
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Pilfered Pallbearers posted:Blood improves airflow Improved ventilation + liquid cooling = winning
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Jul 19, 2021 20:55
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Rand Brittain posted:So, it looks like Asus is selling the 3070 Ti in a bundle with a PC case off their own site? Is there a catch to this that I'm missing somehow? I kept looking to see if it was a scam or a fake store but as far as I can tell it's legit; I'm just wondering why it's still in stock this morning if that's so. The catch is that it's extremely overpriced and the case sucks. You can find the 3070 ti at similar prices all over the place, this isn't that odd. Little fishes posted:I think both the case and motherboard are likely overkill. I liked the look of the case, the filters/sound-proofing and front USB-C. If you like the look of the case then that's the most important thing, but here's the thing about sound dampening. A well-ventilated case with fans running at low RPMs will almost always run cooler and be just as quiet or even quieter than sound-dampened cases with fans running at high RPMs to make up for poor ventilation. I dunno when you last built a PC (it may have been a while judging by your 7950 HD), but PWM case fans are common now. Those let you fine-tune the speed they spin according to how hot your PC is getting (the fan curve). Cases can get pretty quiet now even with nothing but mesh between you and them. That said, Fractal's corner vents for the Define cases are... okay. They'll get the job done with enough fans. So if you like the case's look and features then go for it. But if your temps don't seem to be doing well with it, then consider slapping an extra intake fan or two into the bottom slots.
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Jul 19, 2021 21:03
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Dr. Video Games 0031 posted:The catch is that it's extremely overpriced and the case sucks. You can find the 3070 ti at similar prices all over the place, this isn't that odd. Oh, okay. I was aware that this sort of thing was going on with third party vendors (in terms of "well, if you really want one you can always become part of the problem and pay Too Much to a scalper", but I didn't know manufacturers had this sort of thing going on as well.
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Jul 19, 2021 21:37
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sdasdas posted:Hey all, I managed to snag a Gigabyte 3070Ti today only to find out it's comically large with three fans and won't fit in my ATX case. The card is almost the full width of the case, and is slightly taller than the width of the drive mount which takes up the opposite side so I can't just slide it in diagonally. My case is about 8 years old (and unfortunately has no labeling so I don't know the name), has the standard layout changed around a bit? Or is the expectation with enthusiast cards that you go the extra mile and buy cases with a special layout? Thanks for the advice all, I did buy the Corsair 4000D as it was quite a bit cheaper and has plenty of space. Because the drives are in a separate compartment there's almost half the wires in the main area of the chassis, it's strange seeing the inside of a computer look so tidy.
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Jul 20, 2021 01:36
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I built a computer for the first time in like 12 years! Ryzen 3600 1050ti 32GB RAM I originally bought most of it in January, and was trying to get a reasonably priced RTX card (lol). Finally caved in and got the 1050ti as a placeholder. It's still an upgrade over my old card. Spent 4 hours unboxing everything and putting it together. It booted the windows install USB stick on the first try, I was so relieved. I got a black full ATX case with a glass window, and then bought all black parts with no LEDs. This amuses me. Also it has 4 empty media slots and 6 empty HDD slots. This also amuses me. Gonna throw some cheap big storage drives in there later, but it is just so big and black and empty right now and I love it. Getting everything downloaded and installed then going to bed. Tomorrow I'll see how it handles games I've been looking forward to.
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Jul 20, 2021 03:17
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WITCHCRAFT posted:I built a computer for the first time in like 12 years! Good stuff! Love that feeling.
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Jul 20, 2021 04:50
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Dr. Video Games 0031 posted:
It has been a while, it feels like I'm starting over from scratch. Thanks for this, feels like good advice. I switched the case to the Meshify 2. The compact looked nice but I need the extra 3.5 inch bays, for now at least. Is there anything glaringly dumb with the rest of the build? I think I'm there.
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Jul 20, 2021 12:48
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Restarted to install windows update and now I can't get any video output at all, can't even boot to BIOS Now we're cooking with gas!!
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Jul 20, 2021 13:00
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WITCHCRAFT posted:Restarted to install windows update and now I can't get any video output at all, can't even boot to BIOS Unplug all but one monitor and maybe try plugging that monitor into the mobo instead of the GPU. See if your mobo has a display for error codes and reference them online or in the manual.
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Jul 20, 2021 13:04
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VelociBacon posted:try plugging that monitor into the mobo instead of the GPU Unfortunately this won't won't because the Ryzen 5 3600 doesn't have integrated graphics 
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Jul 20, 2021 14:20
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Mobo has error lights but none are on. They do light up, like if i pull all the ram out the ram error light will be on. But it isn't grumpy about whatever is causing my video output problem. I have reseated the gpu and ram, plugged the monitor into the mobo instead, tried a different cable/ monitor, tried the gpu again with different monitor. The computer powers on and mobo lights indicate it is booting up, but I cant get any video out. Last night when I finished putting it together, I installed windows, ran updates/restarted several times, installed steam and a few games, checked thzt they ran withut crashing, then went to bed. This morning windows wanted to install another update, i restarted again and am now stuck with no video output, not even the mobo logo or bios menu. Still poking at things and googling... dont have another gpu or hard drive to swap out and test, and the lack of video means i cant try a fresh windows install. Windows update, why you gotta do me dirty like this?
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Jul 20, 2021 14:22
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WITCHCRAFT posted:Mobo has error lights but none are on. They do light up, like if i pull all the ram out the ram error light will be on. But it isn't grumpy about whatever is causing my video output problem. Can you try the gpu in a different pci-e slot?
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Jul 20, 2021 14:27
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Maybe a dumb question since it sounds like you're being fairly thorough, but did you try double checking the pci-e power cables in addition to reseating the card itself? Just make sure all the cables are plugged in firmly actually. Maybe something is slightly loose. That's an issue that has caused me similar grief in the past.
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Jul 20, 2021 14:29
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unseat and reseat the ram, selectively boot with different ram stick configurations, clear CMOS (either via a jumper or with a battery pull your mobo manual will have the advice). check connections. I'm sure you've done most or all of these but they sometimes do the trick. so you have another video card to test? even an old one
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Jul 20, 2021 15:01
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Also just mash the gently caress outta the bios button. And check other ports on the GPU. Sometimes update fucks with your display defaults.
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Jul 20, 2021 18:53
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ulhFi5N2hc Man I love reviews of bad products (but at this point everyone knows Alienware is bad, right?)
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Jul 20, 2021 21:42
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huh that was the model someone in here was thinking about buying? looks like our concerns about the cooling were well founded.
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Jul 20, 2021 21:46
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note that I got one with the liquid cooler and the cpu was hitting 100c out of the box lol
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