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| Golf GTI / R / R32 |
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196 | 0.02% |
| Impreza WRX / STi |
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| Mazdaspeed 3 |
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| Veloster Turbo |
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| Focus ST |
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| Other Hot Hatch |
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| Elantra GT |
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1000001 | 99.92% |
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:It totally makes sense to buy a lower performing milder hatch with better features etc for less money if you have other performance cars - hence my decision to buy a lightly tuned Alltrack rather than a true hot hatch. A lot of people are looking for on car to do it all, though. Not sure the Alltrack would cut it in those circumstances. For sure, if this Stinger plan works out I still want to find a Mazda2 or a Fiesta for daily use.
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Jul 21, 2021 15:58
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Rhyno posted:For sure, if this Stinger plan works out I still want to find a Mazda2 or a Fiesta for daily use. I had my Elantra in Ohio for about a year and was pretty set on replacing it with something bigger and softer because the environment just sucked there for it. What’s wrong with just having the stinger as a daily?
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Jul 21, 2021 16:10
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RIP Paul Walker posted:I had my Elantra in Ohio for about a year and was pretty set on replacing it with something bigger and softer because the environment just sucked there for it. What’s wrong with just having the stinger as a daily? I want the rwd version and roads suck here in winter. I'm not worried about my ability to drive, it's other drivers and the inability to do so that concerns me. Also they salt heavily here. I'd much rather have a winter DD to soak up that poo poo.
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Jul 21, 2021 16:23
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Rhyno posted:I want the rwd version and roads suck here in winter. I'm not worried about my ability to drive, it's other drivers and the inability to do so that concerns me. Also they salt heavily here. I'd much rather have a winter DD to soak up that poo poo. just drive what you want, put winter tires on it, and wash it regularly
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Jul 21, 2021 16:24
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Ok Comboomer posted:just drive what you want, put winter tires on it, and wash it regularly I'd rather not.
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Jul 21, 2021 16:26
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Rhyno posted:I'd rather not. can a winter car not also be a car that you want?
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Jul 21, 2021 16:28
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Ok Comboomer posted:just drive what you want, put winter tires on it, and wash it regularly I drive a rwd car model that only came out for two years. I look forward to driving it in the winter. 
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Jul 21, 2021 16:32
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I semi- take it back. My E36 was meticulously garaged every winter for 18 years by its rich enthusiast PO until I bought it in 2012, and now it’s spent the past 9 years living outside in the Boston area, with six of those as a daily driver. It’s definitely aged back a good number of those “saved” years in that time.
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Jul 21, 2021 16:52
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I understand both sides of this argument (my Elantra got driven back to Oregon when I knew I’d be returning to portland and I brought back a different car), but if I were going to stay in Ohio I’d have let nature take its course. Also RWD LSD in the snow owns, and driving small sporty hatchbacks in the Midwest sucks.
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Jul 21, 2021 17:07
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RIP Paul Walker posted:the Midwest sucks. Some things can't be saved no matter what you drive imho
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Jul 21, 2021 17:35
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KakerMix posted:Some things can't be saved no matter what you drive imho The new Lincoln continental hides the Midwest from you when you drive it.
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Jul 21, 2021 18:07
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to me it's dumb to not drive what you want year round unless you have a winter specific use case. if you live somewhere with winter cars are disposable and a stinger isn't such a valuable car as to care imo. i'd daily the M5 in the winter if the purpose of a winter driver for me wasn't to go skiing
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Jul 21, 2021 19:42
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It’s not crazy to extend the car’s life by limiting winter driving. Salt can be a real bitch, without talking about sand and other drivers.
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Jul 21, 2021 20:52
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that's setting aside the fact that you are then driving something dumb and bad that you don't wanna drive for like 30-40% of the year
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Jul 21, 2021 21:14
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just buy two of the same car
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Jul 21, 2021 21:20
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:to me it's dumb to not drive what you want year round unless you have a winter specific use case. if you live somewhere with winter cars are disposable and a stinger isn't such a valuable car as to care imo. i'd daily the M5 in the winter if the purpose of a winter driver for me wasn't to go skiing Yeah, not for a Stinger. Maybe for something way more expensive like a hellcat, or a roadster if you have a family and don't drive it much anyway then there's no point driving it during the winter. Or obviously anything old and collectible too.
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Jul 21, 2021 21:35
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What counts as old and/or collectible regarding whether or not I should be driving it more/less often? I have anxiety about possibly being so bad at stick that I'd destroy a Civic Type R and
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Jul 21, 2021 22:31
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Just drive it
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Jul 21, 2021 22:34
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unless you're a drooling idiot you'll just put a little extra wear on the clutch disc (a wear item) learning stick
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Jul 21, 2021 22:45
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cars are consumable objects meant to provide utility and ideally pleasure to the owner so you should drive the gently caress out of whatever you own in all conditions
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Jul 22, 2021 00:42
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BlackMK4 posted:Just drive it It's this. Just drive your car.
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Jul 22, 2021 00:50
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BlackMK4 posted:Just drive it
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Jul 22, 2021 01:01
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Hot hatch thread: drive the gently caress out of whatever you own in all conditions. Or really, AI: drive the gently caress out of whatever you own in all conditions. This is my ethos.
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Jul 22, 2021 01:23
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But everybody in BFC tells me I need to not to drive like that and not buy things I like because I need more debt like I need a hole in my head and my impulsiveness is guaranteed to wrap any fun car I get around a traffic pole
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Jul 22, 2021 02:07
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Nomyth posted:But everybody in BFC tells me I need to not to drive like that and not buy things I like because I need more debt like I need a hole in my head and my impulsiveness is guaranteed to wrap any fun car I get around a traffic pole A car is a car is a car. It is a large, complex physical thing that's going to get poo poo on, rained on, salted on, dirty, scratched, bumped and abused. There is nothing you can do about this. If not by you, then by the world at large. Upside is they can be fixed, replaced, washed, waxed, paint-corrected, and even repainted. If you're stuck on all the other stuff that comes with a car that's after 'drive' then I'm not sure what you are looking for. A car exists to be driven. The rest of the stuff that comes afterwards is in service to that.
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Jul 22, 2021 02:37
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You guys keep acting like I shouldnt be driving my 253k Saturn vue in the winter, and I absolutely don’t get it. Why would I drive my new car in the salt when my old one has plastic body panels?
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Jul 22, 2021 03:12
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Nomyth posted:But everybody in BFC tells me I need to not to drive like that and not buy things I like because I need more debt like I need a hole in my head and my impulsiveness is guaranteed to wrap any fun car I get around a traffic pole They are probably right, but this is AI where most of us made and probably keep making arguably dumb financial decisions over cars. Gotta find your right balance
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Jul 22, 2021 03:28
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Dr. Lunchables posted:You guys keep acting like I shouldnt be driving my 253k Saturn vue in the winter, and I absolutely don’t get it. Why would I drive my new car in the salt when my old one has plastic body panels?
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Jul 22, 2021 03:59
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:to me it's dumb to not drive what you want year round unless you have a winter specific use case. if you live somewhere with winter cars are disposable and a stinger isn't such a valuable car as to care imo. i'd daily the M5 in the winter if the purpose of a winter driver for me wasn't to go skiing  
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Jul 22, 2021 04:01
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Dr. Lunchables posted:You guys keep acting like I shouldnt be driving my 253k Saturn vue in the winter, and I absolutely don’t get it. Why would I drive my new car in the salt when my old one has plastic body panels? Because you bought a new car so you didn't have to drive lovely Saturn?
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Jul 22, 2021 04:04
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Dr. Lunchables posted:You guys keep acting like I shouldnt be driving my 253k Saturn vue in the winter, and I absolutely don’t get it. Why would I drive my new car in the salt when my old one has plastic body panels? Your 253k Saturn Vue was someone's new car at one point, illustrating where your new car will eventually end up. If not with you, then with the next owner or the one after it. If you only care about visuals then sure I suppose you won't have visible rust, but it's still a Saturn Vue to start with, and the chassis will collapse no matter what the body looks like if it isn't maintained. As already mentioned, is your new car better then your Vue? Would you rather be driving that? Does it really make financial sense to have two whole (I assume) registered vehicles rather than just having the one better one just to avoid putting miles on it?
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Jul 22, 2021 04:11
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dang, getting lessons in impermanence from the hot hatch thread
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Jul 22, 2021 04:42
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prom candy posted:dang, getting lessons in impermanence from the hot hatch thread Life is too short to drive trash if you can help it 
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Jul 22, 2021 04:46
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Nomyth posted:What counts as old and/or collectible regarding whether or not I should be driving it more/less often? I have anxiety about possibly being so bad at stick that I'd destroy a Civic Type R and Eh, the type R already has a terrible gearbox and the clutch is a wear item. I taught my wife to drive stick in it and it doesn't feel any better or worse as a result. does that really matter? It puts a big dumb grin on my face any time I go past 3500 on the tachometer and it does ok on 10 hour drives when I need it to. Get the car that makes you smile and also does what you need. When it's not a dick move to do so, drive it like a drat maniac. There is almost nothing in life so valuable that 'saving' it is better than actually enjoying it.
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Jul 22, 2021 05:14
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everything dies
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Jul 22, 2021 06:55
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It’s not Automotive Insanity because of all the reasonable, rational decisions being made. GOSH. That’s why I sold my 50k mile gen 3 Mazda3 hatch with ACC and all the modern features you’d expect from a new car today really. I then spent 50% more to buy a 10 year old 84k mile BMW wagon with a minorish accident! I’m all for drive the poo poo out if the thing you love, but I can also totally understand not wanting to have to rinse the undercarriage constantly of a car you like. People talking poo poo saying ‘just a stinger’ (lmao at first I wrote just a singer which would be some real flexing) are honestly kind of not cool, if that car is special to OP where they want it to last longer and not dispose of it as well as not have to rinse the drat thing constantly in the cold rear end weather, then we should probably be like ya man get a winter car, save your nice car, enjoy your nice thing how best gives you joy! Worrying about idiots losing control of their cars and slamming into a car you really like I think is pretty understandable!
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Jul 22, 2021 06:59
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TheBacon posted:It’s not Automotive Insanity because of all the reasonable, rational decisions being made. GOSH. If I treated my $3500 E36 the way people here told me to treat it 9 years ago I wouldn’t have it right now. People treating old Hondas the way they did for decades is why you can sell the right ‘92 Civic for $30k now, and why E30s are probably out of my reach forever
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Jul 22, 2021 07:04
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KakerMix posted:Your 253k Saturn Vue was someone's new car at one point, illustrating where your new car will eventually end up. If not with you, then with the next owner or the one after it. The plastic on the Saturn is really the whole reason it’s still around and doesn’t have fist sized rust holes all around the body. It’s kind of a reach to say I’d only be interested in aesthetics without maintenance when talking about : a) a Saturn Vue and b) a car I’ve personally maintained for the past 180k It’s paid off and costs almost nothing to insure. Is it as fun to drive as the FiST (which also costs almost nothing to insure)? Absolutely not. But it drives, and insurance + registration costs less than a set of winter tires. Extending the life of one vehicle by driving another makes a lot of sense to me in this case because the Saturn is on its way out anyways. It’s basically what everyone’s saying anyways: drive the car, it’s a consumable. But I can only drive one car at a time, and road salt kills cars fast, plus 6 months of winter, so why not kill the Saturn?
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Jul 22, 2021 12:24
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work from home, save your cars
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TheBacon posted:I’m all for drive the poo poo out if the thing you love, but I can also totally understand not wanting to have to rinse the undercarriage constantly of a car you like. People talking poo poo saying ‘just a stinger’ (lmao at first I wrote just a singer which would be some real flexing) are honestly kind of not cool, It's just an opinion dude, to me a Stinger is not worth keeping in the garage for an entire winter season to drive some other lovely car while my nice, new and comfortable powerful Stinger sits and collects dust....It wouldn't be worth it to me. I mean when I lived in Wisconsin I knew guys that drove winter beaters, and I never understood why they would subject themselves to that all winter long. My uncle had a new Trans Am, and while it was nice it wasn't some kind of rare car or anything special, but he drove this old rear end Delta 88 land barge all winter long and it was a horrible car. gently caress that.
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Jul 22, 2021 13:37
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