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Well, I’ve tried like a thousand things short of desoldering, but I can’t quite seem to get rid of plate ping from my Durgod Fusion. It’s a really fun board, it’s got Bluetooth and wireless, its a unique shape and color, but the ping is real. I’ve tried foam, tape, dampening sponge, but can’t seem to remedy it. I bet if someone desoldered it and used different switches along with foam between the PCB and plate, the pinging would be gone. Anyone up for a trade? It’s got Cherry Silent Blacks and it’s the gray/black/red model. It’s got some scuffs on the DURGOD plate where the wireless plugin dongle hides from when I’d travel with it in my bag.
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LochNessMonster posted:drat that’s pricy. Any idea if there are designs for 3d printing a case? Hey friend: here's the design I settled on. Probably gonna augment it with wood wrist rests, but this should get you to a starting position (let me know if you need me to shoot you the mirrored STLs because for some reason nobody ever does here and it's annoying as hell.)
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GnarlyCharlie4u posted:I have 4 Durgods from a few years ago and the keycaps are actually kinda nice. I've never had an issue with any of mine. Wow did you just gatekeep who gets to talk about keyboards? Hahahahahhahahahahhahahaha. That's amazing. Like I don't even do that poo poo when I disagree with people (who are absolutely wrong) about videogames and I'm a tremendous rear end in a top hat. I don't like industries that abuse their customers (so like all of them). It's either a business and they should offer a competitive product or it's a hobby and they should do it for the sake of the hobby and not some ego stroking. The reason why there's so many keycap designs is because it's easy to do. That's why. Anyway I got IQUNIX L80 Formula Typing and have decided I don't think I like slanted keyboards it feels weird to me. The Gazzew U4T Boba Switches - 62g I put in it are nice, maybe I should have gone heavier. Duck and Cover fucked around with this message at 04:44 on Jul 19, 2021 |
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Ringo Star Get posted:Well, I’ve tried like a thousand things short of desoldering, but I can’t quite seem to get rid of plate ping from my Durgod Fusion. It’s a really fun board, it’s got Bluetooth and wireless, its a unique shape and color, but the ping is real. I’ve tried foam, tape, dampening sponge, but can’t seem to remedy it. I bet if someone desoldered it and used different switches along with foam between the PCB and plate, the pinging would be gone. I don't want to trade but I'd be happy to mod and/or swap your switches for just the cost if parts for you if you want. But personally I wouldn't dump any more money into that board. My guess is that it's probably the springs like Constellation I mentioned, or possibly the leaves. I don't have any personal experience with Cherry silent switches, but literally every other cherry I've had has terrible spring crunch and leaf ping.
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GonadTheBallbarian posted:Hey friend: here's the design I settled on. Probably gonna augment it with wood wrist rests, but this should get you to a starting position Oh that looks really sweet and even allows for tenting. I’d very much appreciate a copy of the mirrored STL. Haven’t messed around with STLs myself yet. I’m sure I’d be able to figure it out but if you have them available I’d be happy to save myself the hassle!
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This thread seems to be getting oddly contentious. If everyone could take a step back and take a deep breath before continuing to post about this topic, it would be greatly appreciated.Duck and Cover posted:and I'm a tremendous rear end in a top hat. Maybe work on that. People don't like interacting with assholes.
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I have a drop shift. I like my drop shift. My computer does not like my drop shift. It randomly freezes up and stops responding until I unplug/replug the USB. I’ve done an RMA and have the same problem with the replacement and I’m ready to admit defeat and accept that this is some weird incompatibility. So I need to replace my drop shift. What is the closest alternative on the market? My shortlist of requirements: Hotswap (non negotiable. I’m not soldering and I’ve already spent enough on better switches etc.) 1800 layout like the shift is ideal, but I’m willing to go to full size if there are really no good alternatives. I want a numpad. Some minor amount of spacing between the main block and arrow keys/numpad is a must though. The super compact 96%’s feel cramped and weird to me. Removable USB (this is the main thing steering me away from the GMMK, along with just disliking their whole… vibe, from the name, etc) And lastly some kind of lighting; doesn’t need to be full per key RGB (though that’s nice I guess), but a little backlighting for typing in the dark is a must for me. Does my unicorn keyboard exist?
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At this point I would rather just go full size. The reason I liked the shift is it cuts an inch or so off the width of the board without giving up the numpad; separate numpad + TKL is… taking up more space than a full size, not less.
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CaptainPsyko posted:I have a drop shift. I like my drop shift. My computer does not like my drop shift. It randomly freezes up and stops responding until I unplug/replug the USB. I’ve done an RMA and have the same problem with the replacement and I’m ready to admit defeat and accept that this is some weird incompatibility. BM980, but I'm uncertain what the quality is like. https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005002509519466.html?spm=a2g0o.store_pc_allProduct.8148356.2.b27d5599KvrT2I Recent reddit thread about it: https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/ojbmbm/kprepublic_bm980_w_boba_u4t_eg_v2_stabs/ With accompanying video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L01jvXTZXY4 edit: Also, if you spot a board you really like, and it's not hotswap, you can always pay someone to solder mill max sockets to it. Thus making it hotswap. .Z. fucked around with this message at 19:15 on Jul 19, 2021 |
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Keychron is the only place I can think of offhand that's gonna get you all those requirements in a full size or TKL board. Most of the enthusiast brands don't deal in pre-built keybs that large and the major brands don't do hotswap.
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CaptainPsyko posted:I have a drop shift. I like my drop shift. My computer does not like my drop shift. It randomly freezes up and stops responding until I unplug/replug the USB. I’ve done an RMA and have the same problem with the replacement and I’m ready to admit defeat and accept that this is some weird incompatibility. Oddball chance, but have you tried using it with a powered USB hub? I've seen issues where built-in USB wasn't providing quite enough juice, leading to your issue there. Much cheaper fix, potentially, too. I was having similar issues myself using an unpowered KVM, and swapping to a powered version fixed it. USB is stupid.
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GnarlyCharlie4u posted:I don't want to trade but I'd be happy to mod and/or swap your switches for just the cost if parts for you if you want. That’s awfully kind of you! I think you’re right, I shouldn’t really dump more money into it. I have a buddy with a soldering kit but he’s got kids and I got a kid so free time to meet up and use it is nearly nil. I think I’ll just shelf it for display and the occasional use until additional free time comes up and I can get it desoldered to take apart the switches and lube them up, maybe put in some foam between the PCB and plate as well.
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Internet Explorer posted:This thread seems to be getting oddly contentious. If everyone could take a step back and take a deep breath before continuing to post about this topic, it would be greatly appreciated. Agreed. But, like, we can still post about this topic right? D&C, I'm not trying to gatekeep discussion about the topic, and I apologize if I came off as offensive. I actually think it's a very important thing to discuss. It just seemed like you were pretty upset about the state of the keyboard hobby and projecting some things, and not entering the discussion in good faith. I was just suggesting that if you just wanna argue about how much this hobby sucks and if it really upsets you so much, then maybe you should take a break from posting in this thread about it and go vent your frustrations elsewhere. Again, if I overstepped, I apologize. Far be it from me to tell you what is healthy for you. That being said, I think we do share some common ground. I already mentioned that I would very much like more things in the hobby to be "available to the masses." Probably more so than most people who are not deeply rooted in following community activity and projects. You know what sucks worse than seeing a keyboard you like and not being able to buy it? Following the project for a year, making meaningful contributions to it, promoting it and sharing it, and then come group buy time, either not being able to get one of the limited slots for that keyboard, or not being able to afford that keyset. I also do not like industries that treat customers poorly, but I don't see how that is relevant to our discussion. Are you insinuating that GMK lead times and product prices are tantamount to customer abuse? I don't necessarily agree with that verbatim. But I one hundred percent believe that GMK lead times are absolutely hosed (in part by the pandemic, in part by increased community growth, and in very large part by their inability to adapt quickly), and their prices are absurd. Signature Plastics SA is EVEN WORSE! From what I can tell, part of the issue is that newcomers to the hobby see a lot of GMK sets and either assume or are told that GMK is "the best" and everything else is bad, so they only look to buy GMK sets. This perpetuates the problematic cycle of overloading GMK with sets to produce which increases lead times even further and encourages them to raise prices more as well. SA is overly expensive for different, but no less problematic reasons. Their production was also greatly affected by covid, but also they have been struggling to recover from a plastics supply shortage. JTK never really did much in the first place but they were essentially obliterated by the pandemic. I doubt we will see anything significant from them for a while, and I don't think they will even be taking new orders any time soon. Keyreative, despite it's best intents, has really been dropping the ball, albeit not maliciously. They had very serious QC issues with the 3rd party factories they contracted with, which they are attempting to remedy by bringing production in-house. This whole process has not gone well, partly because they essentially had to start from scratch, and partly because they seem to be completely inept or disinterested in communicating not only with customers but also with vendors and designers about what is actually happening behind the scenes. I have purchased a number of KAT and KAM sets that I don't think I will even see before 2023. In short, they are loving up real hard. However, there are other profiles available that do not have as bad of lead times and prices and a lot of community members and designers are starting to make the switch. DSS is another Signature Plastics profile that seems to be relatively quick to turn around specifically because of the lower interest in it. There are DSS group buys every month that get turned around in a matter of weeks and they're not as expensive as SA sets because they require far less plastic to create. DCS is another SP profile that unfortunately runs infrequently, but is still excellent quality and doesn't have the same long lead times that GMK is currently experiencing. It's still somewhat expensive though. DCS Delftware ran recently if anyone is looking for an example of this profile. Hammerworks CRP is similar to DCS in that it is a similar shape to GMK's Cherry Profile. But unlike GMK (and similar to DCS), it is dye subbed PBT, not ABS. It is slightly more affordable generally but also because of the way that it is produced, but also you usually have the option to pick from smaller kits of keys to buy just what you need for a particular layout rather than having to buy a large kit of all the keys and winding up with a lot of unused plastic. CRP Round 4 and CRP C64 are recent examples. I ordered C64 in November and received it in June. So 7 months from clicking 'buy' to it landing on my doorstep, even including delays. Enjoy PBT is another high quality manufacturer that produces both reverse dye-sub PBT and doubleshot ABS sets and seems to be very successful at getting those productions delivered in around 6 months despite the pandemic and the plastics shortage. Surprisingly, Geekark has even been up and coming lately. They're working on including 40's support in their offerings so that some of the more compact (non ortholinear) boards can also make use of their profile. PBT Frost is a recent example of a successful GB from them: https://protozoa.studio/pages/pbt-frost $88 got you all the keys. Not a bad deal imo. I think there is real potential for them to fill the gap in the community between price, availability, and layout support. I'm really rooting for them to become more popular, even though at the moment they only offer Dye-sublimated PBT. Infinikey is not exactly one of my favorite manufacturers but I would be remiss to not mention them. I do own a couple of their sets and while they have had a lot of QC issues, I don't believe it is necessarily due to a lack of their ability so much as it is a mishandling of aspects of the groupbuy by their vendor; TkeKeyCompany. I genuinely want them to do better so that more people can have affordable, good quality keycaps, but they have a long way to go with regards to QC and customer service before they will get my recommendation. This list is by no means comprehensive and doesn't encompass all the available manufacturers that AREN'T producing knockoff sets, just the ones that I can think of offhand. A few others that I can think of that I won't go into detail about are Vortex, Monstargear, Idobao, Domikey, and most recently Polycaps. None of which, to my knowledge, currently produce knock off sets, but instead create their own colorways. NicePBT also exists but I think there was some kerfuffle with them and Cannonkeys about selling their keysets outside of contract with CK, AFTER CK paid to have them produced. But where our views diverge is that you seem to be a proponent of making knock off sets. My issue with this point specifically has nothing to do with availability, or accessibility, only that I abhor the theft of others work. Not to get all "you wouldn't download a car" on you but that really does not jive with my morals. I don't think I should be entitled to any set of keycaps I want just because a company is willing to steal the hard work of a designer just to turn themselves a profit. As I just mentioned, there are a plethora of manufacturers that make keycaps of non-stolen designs in a range of prices, with varying lead times, some are even carried in stock on vendors websites. Novelkeys, Cannonkeys, KineticLabs, and Drop all have in-stock keycaps. I'd be lying if I said I didn't wish there were more options and for cheaper, but wouldn't you agree that it's better to develop and support a system that rewards the people that create the keycaps you like? Supporting a system whereby all the designs you appreciate are stolen does nothing to encourage anyone to continue to make designs you might like. It's outright theft and not good regardless of whether or not you view this community as an industry OR a hobby. Duck and Cover posted:The reason why there's so many keycap designs is because it's easy to do. That's why. Hell, why don't they even bother to work with designers to produce their keysets more affordably? It's not like that hasn't been done before. Duck and Cover posted:It's either a business and they should offer a competitive product or it's a hobby and they should do it for the sake of the hobby and not some ego stroking. CaptainPsyko posted:I have a drop shift. I like my drop shift. My computer does not like my drop shift. It randomly freezes up and stops responding until I unplug/replug the USB. I’ve done an RMA and have the same problem with the replacement and I’m ready to admit defeat and accept that this is some weird incompatibility. That's a tough one, but if you find something that ticks all the boxes please share. I think you can still get a Cherry G80 but that's not gonna have removable usb. If you ever get to the point where you want to spend $450 on a board, I think the Rekt1800 might be back in stock again https://cannonkeys.com/collections/brutalist-series/products/rekt1800-keyboard All the other boards with a numpad are that weird super compact 96 key like layout. GnarlyCharlie4u fucked around with this message at 21:54 on Jul 19, 2021 |
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CaptainPsyko posted:I have a drop shift. I like my drop shift. My computer does not like my drop shift. It randomly freezes up and stops responding until I unplug/replug the USB. I’ve done an RMA and have the same problem with the replacement and I’m ready to admit defeat and accept that this is some weird incompatibility. The Drop keyboards draw an ABSURD amount of power so if you are daisy-chaining or even using a long USB cable, it may disconnect randomly. Try using a shorter USB cable and plugging it into a powered USB hub / directly into your PC. If this works, you hopefully don't have to buy a whole new keyboard. GnarlyCharlie4u posted:Infinikey is not exactly one of my favorite manufacturers but I would be remiss to not mention them. I do own a couple of their sets and while they have had a lot of QC issues, I don't believe it is necessarily due to a lack of their ability so much as it is a mishandling of aspects of the groupbuy by their vendor; TkeKeyCompany. I genuinely want them to do better so that more people can have affordable, good quality keycaps, but they have a long way to go with regards to QC and customer service before they will get my recommendation. FWIW, other vendors who have contracted with IFK have had the sets show up perfectly fine and with correct colors. TKC just refuses to do real quality control and their products suffer as a result. interrodactyl fucked around with this message at 22:34 on Jul 19, 2021 |
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GnarlyCharlie4u posted:Agreed. But, like, we can still post about this topic right? Yes, sorry I was vague, was on a call. Just also like... consider whether or not it's worth it.
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interrodactyl posted:The Drop keyboards draw an ABSURD amount of power so if you are daisy-chaining or even using a long USB cable, it may disconnect randomly. Yeah that's kinda what I was getting at. But also TKC did deliver on 808-Boom and that looked pretty great. There was a slight delay because Langelandia refused to accept the original deskmat and made them redo it. But all in all that set turned out fantastic. But also TKC bad, so gently caress 'em. Internet Explorer posted:Yes, sorry I was vague, was on a call. Just also like... consider whether or not it's worth it. 
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Yeah I’ve tried plugging the drop directly into the PC and have the same issue. It initially occurred when using it plugged into the powered port on my monitor. What’s funny is, plugged into the same port on said monitor, I have zero issues using the keyboard with my MacBook. It’s just when I’m running the windows PC. It’s weird AF.
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CaptainPsyko posted:Yeah I’ve tried plugging the drop directly into the PC and have the same issue. It initially occurred when using it plugged into the powered port on my monitor. Getting a powered USB hub may still be cheaper than trying to get a new keyboard in the specs that you want, so I'd suggest that next.
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CaptainPsyko posted:At this point I would rather just go full size. The reason I liked the shift is it cuts an inch or so off the width of the board without giving up the numpad; separate numpad + TKL is… taking up more space than a full size, not less. Also consider how much you'd need to use the keypad. If you'd be on it all the time then yeah it takes up more space but if it's occasional use you could stow it when you aren't using it and reclaim the space. I was skeptical of this approach with a TKL+keypad but a friend encouraged me to try it and it works for me.
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If it's a custom mech can you just make a numpad layer and use that? You won't even need to move your hands to access the numpad.
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Interesting post, surely sheds some light on things we already know but probably forget in day 2 day life. Like getting paid an honest wage for delivering high quality work. Nobody wants to work in Chinese sweat shop conditions themselves but we all want the price tag it provides.
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LochNessMonster posted:Interesting post, surely sheds some light on things we already know but probably forget in day 2 day life. Like getting paid an honest wage for delivering high quality work. Nobody wants to work in Chinese sweat shop conditions themselves but we all want the price tag it provides. Yeah I mean "no ethical consumption under capitalism" and all that but it's nice to be reminded that there's actually humans involved in the production side of this hobby. It's not just robots. That's not to say I agree with GMK on everything, or even most things. But I do appreciate this.
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I guess I understand. In order for a small business to pay its workers not just a livable wage but a thriving wage, prices do need to take that into account. A real shame that ordering anything from them takes so long though. That's the biggest part for me. I don't mind paying up for something that's meant to be of premium luxury quality-- the quality is the point. But having to wait so long really leaves a bad taste in my mouth and it's starting to bug me that pretty much every hobby of mine is falling into this system of "pay now and maybe you'll get it in a year or something".
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Framboise posted:"pay now and maybe you'll get it in a year or something". This is particularly bad for me and my fickle tastes. I'll think something is pretty cool and get in a group buy or pre-order, and by the time it ships I've stopped wanting it  Hoping I still want that Mode SixtyFive in December, lol
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Framboise posted:I guess I understand. In order for a small business to pay its workers not just a livable wage but a thriving wage, prices do need to take that into account. A real shame that ordering anything from them takes so long though. That's the biggest part for me. I don't mind paying up for something that's meant to be of premium luxury quality-- the quality is the point. But having to wait so long really leaves a bad taste in my mouth and it's starting to bug me that pretty much every hobby of mine is falling into this system of "pay now and maybe you'll get it in a year or something". oh don't feel bad. Their queue is absolutely hosed and its entirely their own doing. But I mean as long as people are dumb enough to hand over their money and wait then, why not right? HappyCapybaraFamily posted:This is particularly bad for me and my fickle tastes. I'll think something is pretty cool and get in a group buy or pre-order, and by the time it ships I've stopped wanting it Exactly, who the gently caress knows what you're gonna like in a few months, let alone a year and a half. Half of my keycap buying strategy is "just buy 40's kits and then try to snag basekit extras when it delivers."
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Just got some of those durock lavenders - they sound great but wow they are heavy, I'm used to reds and clears (45g and 35g), the 65g of these lavenders is some serious resistance compared to that. I assume swapping out the springs will be perfectly fine? I've got a bunch of extra Kailh red's I'm probably never going to use, so I could just steal them out of those.
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I fancy building up a tactile switch tester to get a feel for what exists outside of the MX Brown bubble, is there a good list anywhere of the most relevant ones nowadays? I found this but I don't know how complete it is: https://switchandclick.com/top-5-best-tactile-switches-for-your-mechanical-keyboard/ There's a good store here I can order single switches from but it's pretty overwhelming, they have over 120 different tactiles in stock repiv fucked around with this message at 14:03 on Jul 22, 2021 |
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Boba U4T seem like the tactile go to right now. Durock Sunflower POM T1 are supposed to be really good too.
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repiv posted:I fancy building up a tactile switch tester to get a feel for what exists outside of the MX Brown bubble, is there a good list anywhere of the most relevant ones nowadays? https://github.com/ThereminGoat/switch-scores/blob/master/Composite%20Overall%20Total%20Score%20Sheet.csv https://github.com/ThereminGoat/switch-scores ThereminGoat is a very well regarded switch reviewer who takes a lot of different things into account. This hobby is all preference, but it's worth looking at the top few tactile switches in the overall score sheet in the first link and then reading a bit about them in the PDFs for the second. The switch and click choices are...fine? But their explanations don't make a lot of sense and aren't consistent in explaining what they care about.
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Is there a thread standard recommendation for a hotswappable (and ideally programmable) 60/65%? Or I'd be willing to go 40% too if there's something really fun there. (I'm really enjoying the two boards I have but they're both tough to modify, having Topre and Alps switches respectively, so I figure I might as well get another board focused on max flexibility so I can mess around with switches and keycaps.)
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repiv posted:I fancy building up a tactile switch tester to get a feel for what exists outside of the MX Brown bubble, is there a good list anywhere of the most relevant ones nowadays? Kimdi-keys also let's you order some singles, this would be my recommendation:  That covers most of the more popular brands and types of tactile switches. My personal recommendation is the Boba U4T for incredibly tactility and quality, the Kailh Polia (clearance sale on NovelKeys) as an excellent budget option, or the Gazzew Boba U4 if you want something quiet but still feels very tactile.
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Scythe posted:Is there a thread standard recommendation for a hotswappable (and ideally programmable) 60/65%? Or I'd be willing to go 40% too if there's something really fun there. Really depends on your budget. The Tofu is an incredibly popular 65% hotswap board, but it'll run around $200: https://kbdfans.com/collections/65-diy-kit/products/dz68rgb-customize-keyboard-diy-kit?variant=28550375276592 The NK65 is also pretty popular at sub-$200, though the Tofu would be my first choice: https://novelkeys.xyz/collections/keyboards/products/nk65-v2-aluminum-edition?variant=34917914706087 There's also the Drop Alt that you can get barebones for $160, though I'd recommend paying the extra if you can to get the Tofu or NK65: https://www.amazon.com/Massdrop-ALT-Mechanical-Keyboard-Programmable/dp/B083TP3TDB/ The Keychron K6 also has a hotswap option and it's around $70: https://www.keychron.com/products/keychron-k6-wireless-mechanical-keyboard?variant=31441088315481
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