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I love the combination of "Cuba is blocking the internet!" and "We need to listen to all of these brave Cubans on Twitter!"
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Pablo Nergigante posted:This whole anti-Cuba thing is one of the most transparently manufactured campaigns I've ever seen and that's saying something Yeah, the combination of how transparently obvious it is with all these people "on the left" completely buying into it has been really pathetic. Like I could at least comprehend why some naive dumbass would buy into the Venezuela stuff from a while back, but this Cuba situation is about as "obviously bullshit" as it's possible to imagine something like this being.
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cuba BRUTALLY REPRESSING protests by giving people healthcare so they don't actually want to protest
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I mean the people on the left buying it seem like people designed specifically to but into it
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The same people on the left "buying into it" also bought into Nicaragua, and Venezuela - if they're not the most gullible morons to ever pass a graduate program then they're ops.
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we have to find that one left-winger advancing the bomb havana line of discussion
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CharlestheHammer posted:I mean the people on the left buying it seem like people designed specifically to but into it its been a very good demonstration of the truth that self-described democratic socialists will automatically and uncritically side with the imperialist terror state over the communist one
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:The same people on the left "buying into it" also bought into Nicaragua, and Venezuela - if they're not the most gullible morons to ever pass a graduate program then they're ops. hey! don't forget bolivia
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Wraith of J.O.I. posted:hey! I didn't see many left wing academics and media personalities buying into Bolivia, but there were a lot of people who think Nordic countries are socialist who did.
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Office Pig posted:we have to find that one left-winger advancing the bomb havana line of discussion i havent seen any left wingers but i have seen a bunch of gronks that think being a lib means they are left saying this poo poo
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my bony fealty posted:its been a very good demonstration of the truth that self-described democratic socialists will automatically and uncritically side with the imperialist terror state over the communist one It was really funny seeing rose emoji people get angry at DSA for actually supporting Cuba against imperialism. https://twitter.com/DSA_Intl_Comm/status/1414400133614145540?s=20
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Slugnoid posted:i havent seen any left wingers but i have seen a bunch of gronks that think being a lib means they are left saying this poo poo that’s the target audience it seems get the voters of the Ocasio lady to support whatever they are up to against Cuba
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Atrocious Joe posted:It was really funny seeing rose emoji people get angry at DSA for actually supporting Cuba against imperialism. hey good on the dsa for now
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can't believe all the loving tankies in this thread riding Fidel castros dick and saying that the US doesn't genuinely care about human rights just because of like "Guantanamo bay" and "the salt pit" and "all of their allies", or violent suppression of peaceful protestors because of "two centuries of brutally crushing domestic dissent" and "supporting Bahrain and Egypt and all the others" next you'll be telling me that their love of democracy is entirely fabricated or that they're not really outraged by the Cuban government spying on their citizens internet usage
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:I didn't see many left wing academics and media personalities buying into Bolivia, but there were a lot of people who think Nordic countries are socialist who did.
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XMNN posted:can't believe all the loving tankies in this thread riding Fidel castros dick and saying that the US doesn't genuinely care about human rights just because of like "Guantanamo bay" and "the salt pit" and "all of their allies", or violent suppression of peaceful protestors because of "two centuries of brutally crushing domestic dissent" and "supporting Bahrain and Egypt and all the others" Sir you are engaging in whataboutism
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We all know Joe "if Haiti just quietly sank into the Caribbean or rose up 300 feet it wouldn't matter a whole lot to our interests" Biden cares deeply about the lives of Caribbean people.
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comedyblissoption posted:idk what you mean by media personalities here, but NPR absolutely full throttle pushed the bolivia coup narratives contemporaneously NPR isn't leftist and never has been.
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its like less than 100 miles to havana from key west
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comedyblissoption posted:idk what you mean by media personalities here, but NPR absolutely full throttle pushed the bolivia coup narratives contemporaneously the washington post published several articles that just drop the "Evo morales did election fraud in Bolivia" line. they also published an article of an actual analysis of the election that indicated there was no fraud. apparently there was no dissonance there, democracy dies in darkness or whatever
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my bony fealty posted:democracy dies in darkness makes a lot more sense once you realize thats not a warning but a threat
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Judge Dredd Scott posted:its like less than 100 miles to havana from key west honestly this is the part where I hope I am wrong tbqh doing the ol' uncle sam comes knocking routine against Cuba is... sound? Like, a full show of strength with ships and aircraft and a land invasion is pretty feasible when it is that close, for the spectacle of it all like, I am absolutely ignorant of military questions and all I have is some knowledge of history, but it doesn't seem that Cuba is proactively backed by China or anything else that invalidates the possibility. Is a public opinion disaster probable or would even matter?
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as someone who was born yesterday i am shocked that npr and wapo would lie about Bolivia
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dead gay comedy forums posted:honestly this is the part where I hope I am wrong tbqh absence of nuclear weapons on the island has made it a target for decades. the issue is that america's opposition is deeply ideological, and it's not like iraq where the effects of destabilization still seem relatively far off and the boogeymen whom spring forth are relayed mostly through the media. bringing cuba itself to yield through subterfuge and a surreptitious undermining of its ability to maintain stability and communist sovereignty sends an extremely powerful message to everyone who needs to know who's in charge of the earth. invading and bombing the country is technically within the government's means, dealing with the fallout is something else entirely.
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Cuba isn't a fractured society that can break down along sectarian lines like everywhere else we've invaded. Racial lines maybe, but there'd have to be years of growing inequalities for that to truly blossom. Cuba's greatest defense is the political strength of the revolution and resistance against any form of neoliberal tyranny. If shock doctrine couldn't work in Iraq it's never going to work in Cuba, so why bother? It makes more sense to play the long game where you strangle the country into submission and hope the Cuban people can be immiserated enough to give up.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Cuba's greatest defense is the political strength of the revolution and resistance against any form of neoliberal tyranny I am in full agreement with that, I am actually more curious about the American government playing their game but progressively worse and making moves it wouldn't decades ago the impression I have is the more the wealthy up there forget that the state should be properly manned in all its aspects in order to better foster their interests (because they are getting so wealthy that it doesn't seem to matter anymore), incompetence keeps building up until the resources can't compensate for it. So now you get these young enterprising people who are nephews and nieces of wealthy families who did tourism in ivy league courses into the state dept and they go, "you know what it is totally a great idea? bring REAL democracy to cuba!"
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Is there anything in Cuba worth taking? Just a few 60 year old hotel and casino properties? Maybe some sugar plantations?
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Cpt_Obvious posted:Is there anything in Cuba worth taking? Just a few 60 year old hotel and casino properties? Maybe some sugar plantations? it has quite the mineral wealth and the soil is excellent
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dead gay comedy forums posted:it has quite the mineral wealth and the soil is excellent America's soil is salty, dark-coloured sand that nothing can grow in without serious chemical help. Maybe the soil has been dying for 75 years because of the Cuban microwave ray!
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Cpt_Obvious posted:Is there anything in Cuba worth taking? Just a few 60 year old hotel and casino properties? Maybe some sugar plantations? think like the fall of the USSR...anything currently under national control, which are huge sectors like healthcare and food distribution and infrastructure, are the first course for the jackals to privatize and turn into rents and exploitations. This doesn't even address the mineral wealth of the country. There is a huge shitload of "free" money for parasite capitalists to latch onto, the end goal is turning it into a much larger version of Puerto Rico
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The parts of Cuba hit by Maria were back up and running within 2 weeks. The parts in PR hit by the same storm still aren't back and have already received all the relief they ever will. Loans to private capital ventures to rebuild though...those are abundant as hell
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Epic High Five posted:The parts of Cuba hit by Maria were back up and running within 2 weeks. The parts in PR hit by the same storm still aren't back and have already received all the relief they ever will. Loans to private capital ventures to rebuild though...those are abundant as hell that is some badass hustling by those companies!
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dead gay comedy forums posted:honestly this is the part where I hope I am wrong tbqh the DoD's own analyses say that while the Cuban military's operational readiness has been seriously eroded due to them not having had to fight a war since the 1980s, they're still quite capable of making an invasion a costly affair it's not like Iraq 2 where the army basically evaporated into thin air or Afghanistan which more or less didn't even have a military in the conventional sense, Cuba has a professional and ideologically committed army and carrying out an invasion would mean that, at some point, the US would have to land troops in Cuba and fight that army. the US would still probably win that conflict, at least tactically, but they'd take a lot of losses doing so, and that's not something the US is really prepared to handle. very few US soldiers actually died in Iraq or Afghanistan and yet every time a few guys got blown up by a roadside bomb or killed in an ambush it was a serious blow to morale; the US does not have the collective will to deal with a helicopter carrier or landing ship getting hit by an antiship missile and 2000 guys drowning in the Caribbean. could the US win that war? yes, almost certainly, at least the conventional phase. they would also definitely take heavy losses doing so, and then the war would immediately transition into a counterinsurgency phase lasting indefinitely. if there were a civil war or full-on insurrection in Cuba and the locals could establish a beachhead for them, that's a different story, but otherwise it'd be a disaster for them, and the generals know it, which is why you aren't hearing any chest-thumping about military intervention in Cuba from anyone who actually has stars on their uniform.
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I would say the biggest deterrent against a US invasion would be less than the formal Cuban military but rather the population itself which honestly I doubt would cooperate in an occupation and if anything would do everything to hinter it. It may be comical but something like parking a truck in front of an Abrams tank can work. Also, as far as American interventions go, in Kosovo/Iraq (1/2)/Afganistan/Libya there was already a clear divide in terms of the population. That really doesn't exist in Cuba as the current protests atest.
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