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Before I forget I wanted to say I'm glad that both you and Tea are aware of Terranigma. It deserves more attention and love.
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Terranigma came out on UK SNES a lot more than a bunch of other titles, to be fair. Was probably easier to get than a Final Fantasy other than Mystic Quest IIRC.
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Jul 17, 2021 15:10
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I mad I never even considered pogoing off the spears. Watching Nat fly past them now I have to think that's the intended way.
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Jul 17, 2021 16:10
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Actually now that I think about it White Palace is probably just what the King did with the money he had left over after his eugenics project.
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Jul 17, 2021 16:26
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I don't think the White Palace is just a dream. Instead the Pale King transported the White Palace to the dreamscape itself after the Hollow Knight failed to contain the infection. For one thing the White Fragment is physically present there, and this is the first time we found a physical object inside the dreamscape (I'm not counting the Dreamnail, since that's made of dream energy). Also we find the King's body but the palace is otherwise intact. If this is supposed to be a dream of the White Palace at it's finest, you'd expect the King to be alive. But if it's supposed to be a nightmare, then I'd expect the stage to be much more, well, nightmarish. (Yes there are spikes and buzzsaws everywhere, but they're much too neat and orderly). Also, we enter the White Palace by dream-nailing a Kingsmold. There's a hidden workshop that reveals that Kingsmolds are made from void and are unable form dreams on their own Finally, there's the Path of Pain, which I do think is more of an actual dream. Aside from being harder, both the stage and the music feel even less real than the rest of the White Palace. Plus what you find at the end doesn't line up is unique to that part of the White Palace alone. SirPhoebos fucked around with this message at 19:01 on Jul 17, 2021 |
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Jul 17, 2021 18:53
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I sat down and binged every episode I missed. Nat 20 I just have to say, you do a lot better on bosses when you don't panic and don't get greedy on healing.
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Jul 18, 2021 07:59
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Alxprit posted:Before I forget I wanted to say I'm glad that both you and Tea are aware of Terranigma. It deserves more attention and love. Tea had a physical copy of Illusion of time when we were young and played it through to completion. It was enough that we both independently went out to find more games in that series and came upon Terranigma as a result. I think it remains one of Tea's favourite games ever and I've shed a tear or two over the ending. AtomikKrab posted:I sat down and binged every episode I missed. Absolutely. The bosses I struggle with the most by a long way are the ones that punish you for dashing away from their attacks. Since I don't internalise how to dodge those attacks as quickly I tend to attempt to heal badly and die as a result. In general to the comments on the White Palace. I really didn't mind the area too much, it was challenging but ultimately not that hard for me. I just largely feel that what it's trying to do has been done better by other games that are more focused on their platforming. Dustforce/Super Meat Boy/Celeste all feel like fairer attempts to do platforming difficulty. Buzzsaws at the end of crystal dash paths are pretty needless and frustrating for example.
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Jul 18, 2021 18:20
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SirPhoebos posted:I don't think the White Palace is just a dream. Instead the Pale King transported the White Palace to the dreamscape itself after the Hollow Knight failed to contain the infection. For one thing the White Fragment is physically present there, and this is the first time we found a physical object inside the dreamscape (I'm not counting the Dreamnail, since that's made of dream energy). Also we find the King's body but the palace is otherwise intact. If this is supposed to be a dream of the White Palace at it's finest, you'd expect the King to be alive. But if it's supposed to be a nightmare, then I'd expect the stage to be much more, well, nightmarish. (Yes there are spikes and buzzsaws everywhere, but they're much too neat and orderly). Also, when you die in the white palace, you die for real. Every other dream just teleports you back outside. If anyone happens to be playing steel soul mode, please don't forget this part!
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Jul 18, 2021 23:04
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Marluxia posted:Also, when you die in the white palace, you die for real. Every other dream just teleports you back outside. There is one other dream in which you can die for real. 
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Jul 19, 2021 21:23
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My advice to Tea: If you really want to see Nat suffer, I suggest forcing him to complete the Delicate Flower quest.
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Jul 19, 2021 21:53
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Yeah it's definitely time to start pointing Nat to the remaining things to do, if you ask me. Although the Hall of Gods helps with that a bit with its boss hints. I hope you point him toward the secret in the Hall Of Gods too
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Jul 19, 2021 21:56
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Don't let Nat stop until he does all the Radiant refights in the Hall of Gods. 
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Jul 19, 2021 22:07
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Watching Nat quickly get a read on Oro & Mato and Tea just losing his poo poo was just  And they're fairly simple, no big surprises with range or hitboxes. It's practically the Mantis Lords.
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Jul 19, 2021 22:18
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Oh yeah, Oro and Mato are a great fight. Mechanically they're very solid, for one thing. Plus the satisfaction of actually getting to face off against one of these great nailmasters that you trained from. And then the escalation of it being a surprise double battle, which really sets the bar for what the end fights of the other pantheons are going to have to be. Also, even if you never picked up on the brothers having drama between them, there's a great sense that seeing them fight together is the end of some sort of personal arc for those two. It's so good.
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Oro and Mato are a great fight. Tough but very fair, all their attacks are well telegraphed and with plenty of openings to heal.
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Dareon posted:Watching Nat quickly get a read on Oro & Mato and Tea just losing his poo poo was just I am only here really to watch Nat cause Tea distress via not failing on bosses.
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Jul 20, 2021 02:25
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Please for the love of god Tea, make sure you direct him to the Zote fight. It wouldn't be a Hollow Knight LP without it.
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Jul 20, 2021 02:31
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And for that matter, because he's the best, the White Defender.
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Jul 20, 2021 03:57
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SirPhoebos posted:My advice to Tea: If you really want to see Nat suffer, I suggest forcing him to complete the Delicate Flower quest. Multiple times  Seconding the Oro and Mato praises. This LP inspired me to get back to my steel soul run and I just got back to godhome and I've been fighting them.
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Jul 20, 2021 06:22
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I'm laughing so much at Nat just entering the first trial without knowing and destroying it without a care. Also, you can inspect the unopened doors to see the portraits of the bosses you're missing. Eeepies fucked around with this message at 07:03 on Jul 20, 2021 |
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Jul 20, 2021 07:00
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The challenge for the true, final ending is pure bullshit but I wouldn't mind Tea directing Nat to the rest of the bosses. Also, the Path of Pain should at least be attempted.
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anilEhilated posted:The challenge for the true, final ending is pure bullshit but I wouldn't mind Tea directing Nat to the rest of the bosses. Oh yeah, at a minimum, up to the third pantheon should be attempted. Sheo and Sly are cool bosses, and I'd like to see Nat try Pure Vessel in the fourth pantheon too, but the final pantheon is... rough. Given how Nat has been blowing through the bosses that we expected to go poorly, it might just be possible, but Absolute Radiance really isn't worth the effort. And seconding Path of Pain.
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Jul 20, 2021 16:13
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Marluxia posted:Oh yeah, at a minimum, up to the third pantheon should be attempted. Sheo and Sly are cool bosses, and I'd like to see Nat try Pure Vessel in the fourth pantheon too, but the final pantheon is... rough. Given how Nat has been blowing through the bosses that we expected to go poorly, it might just be possible, but Absolute Radiance really isn't worth the effort. And seconding Path of Pain. Given how Nat does things Nat will just blow through absolute radiance on the first go,
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anilEhilated posted:The challenge for the true, final ending is pure bullshit but I wouldn't mind Tea directing Nat to the rest of the bosses. That is not a "true, final ending", it's just a different ending.
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SirSamVimes posted:That is not a "true, final ending", it's just a different ending.
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lol I wasn't one of those forum members but it's about time you went there.
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Jul 22, 2021 01:09
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Thank you, Tea!  Also I've never rescued Brett this late so it'll be hilarious for her to immediately ditch the Knight for Zote
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Jul 22, 2021 01:15
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SirPhoebos posted:Thank you, Tea! I wasn't quite as late as Nat was but I never had Bretta hang out with me until my second playthrough. 
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Wait...Tea wants Nat to activate Oversoul? Hopefully nobody ends up summoning a copy of the Pale King using his combat data and a giant mecha.
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Epicmissingno posted:Wait...Tea wants Nat to activate Oversoul? Hopefully nobody ends up summoning a copy of the Pale King using his combat data and a giant mecha. We have the soul, the technology, the Dad... But lack the war orphans
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I just wanted to randomly let the thread know that I got the game when it was on sale and I'm actually playing it myself now! Doing up the latest banners and getting all hype for this late game stuff finally made me cave in. I love everything about this game's aesthetic so much, I just want to wander around it at my own pace, and read all the Hunter journals, and dream nail everything... 
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Jul 22, 2021 07:12
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Welcome, and I hope you enjoy your stay. As for this episode, nothing too much to say. I think the little Void Heart thing is fairly self-explanatory at this point. And now Nat finally gets to the warrior dream I fought FIRST.
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Jul 22, 2021 07:13
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A request for Yorkshire Tea: I know Nat already beat on the training dummy next to Oro, but please direct Nat there to keep hitting it until something happens.
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Jul 22, 2021 19:45
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I'm almost certain that the Soul Catcher / Shaman Stone / Soul Eater are meant to evoke the snail shaman headgear.
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C-Euro posted:I'm almost certain that the Soul Catcher / Shaman Stone / Soul Eater are meant to evoke the snail shaman headgear. Yeah, soul and the spells are clearly associated with the snails. At least one form of the spells we get, we got from a snail, and a solid chunk of spell charms are found nearby too. Both versions of the hadoken came from snails.
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Jul 23, 2021 17:05
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Just managed to get through the White Palace. My completion is now at 107%.
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Also this was a few episodes back, but I think I read once that the retainers in the White Palace only bow to you if you have the King's Brand? But I've never been to the White Palace without it so I can't say for certain. Would be a neat detail if that was the case.
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C-Euro posted:Also this was a few episodes back, but I think I read once that the retainers in the White Palace only bow to you if you have the King's Brand? But I've never been to the White Palace without it so I can't say for certain. Would be a neat detail if that was the case. It would make complete sense to me if that were the case. I don't feel the dev team would have ignored that detail.
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