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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-WIyAhXa3w
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Jul 25, 2021 08:01
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This felt very weird
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Jul 25, 2021 08:07
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Brawnfire posted:This felt very weird In which case I apologize for the following: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKJLEbGfT2w
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Jul 25, 2021 08:18
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if anyone was gonna randomly burst into tears on voyager, it should have been tuvok. dude had every reason to.
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Jul 25, 2021 16:02
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It fucks me up that Tuvok is over a century old before Voyager even takes off. Being flung deep into the Delta quadrant and struggling home for 75 years comes off as more of a frustrating inconvenience for him
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Jul 25, 2021 16:11
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Brawnfire posted:It fucks me up that Tuvok is over a century old before Voyager even takes off. Being flung deep into the Delta quadrant and struggling home for 75 years comes off as more of a frustrating inconvenience for him It was until his other half showed up.
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Jul 25, 2021 16:35
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What the hell?! Uhura has a first name?!
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Jul 25, 2021 16:42
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Outpost22 posted:What the hell?! Uhura has a first name?! I'm pretty sure it was only actually spoken in the JJTrek movies, so it's only canon-by-association back in the main timeline.
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Jul 25, 2021 17:00
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Powered Descent posted:I'm pretty sure it was only actually spoken in the JJTrek movies, so it's only canon-by-association back in the main timeline.
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Jul 25, 2021 17:59
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Michaeldim posted:In which case I apologize for the following: This is super extra weird, voyager already had the best intro.
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Jul 25, 2021 19:35
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DS9 would have had the best intro from season 4onwards if they had just updated the visuals and kept the original score.
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Jul 25, 2021 19:44
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DS9's intro is a nice song but it's very long and slow, and so are the visuals, so it makes for a kind of boring intro which I skip 100% of the time. The updated version with percussion in s4 doesn't change that at all for me. I think Voyager's is by far the best of all the shows, and I don't particularly like Voyager. Interesting visuals over a good song that moves. TNG's might be the 'iconic' theme but I don't actually like listening to it and visually it's basic, so I always skip it as well. First 15 seconds are the best part.
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Jul 25, 2021 19:53
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I like the score changing a bit to kind of go with the fact that on the show, DS9 goes from being a backwater early on to the most important station in the Quadrant.
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Jul 25, 2021 19:53
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Control is all like "I'm trying to capture Michael Burnham because she has access to the sphere data" and Spock is like "there must be a *reason*, and it's because you are the most erratic person in the galaxy and the only one capable of defeating sn AI. It is destiny." The simultaneous thing of Pike accepting his eventual injury in order to take the crystal and Voq and Lorel's son having been meant to guide Pike indicate that the show's thematic take is that fate and destiny are real, something said in so many words repeatedly by Lorca. So the show is like "Lorca is right" because the show doesn't seem to remember that he was a bad guy. (Obligatory "yes, you can have a compelling story where the villain is right about the way the world works but does something bad or wrong with that information. But this show is not doing that in a satisfying way.") Also what is with nu trek and vision-induced bystander trauma? The Remonstrance or whatever in Picard is so horrible that it makes people in the double secret murder police beat their own faces to death with the nearest rock, but it's basically the Matrix. Showing a soldier a severe injury he receives in the line of duty makes him lose himself so badly he has to recoil and scream and recite a mantra. Would seeing yourself dying and profoundly injured be traumatic? Sure. Would a decorated captain who has encountered death and maiming in the line of duty be totally undone by it for a minute during an exercise before which he was warned about the likelihood of psychological trauma? Maybe. Would *no human ever* be able to endure that? Come on. This is a highly specific and lovely trope, yet two different shows used it identically and failed in the exact same, highly avoidable way. betaraywil fucked around with this message at 20:00 on Jul 25, 2021 |
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Jul 25, 2021 19:58
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Someone once said DS9’s intro would have been vastly improved by it visiting all the locations in the area like Game of Thrones did and I agree wholeheartedly with that. Go through the inside and around the outside the station, visit Bajor, the badlands, inside the wormhole, Cardassia, and bring in the Great Link or Martok’s ship once those are things. Like a lot of things DS9 did at the start it felt like it had to do what other Treks did and the other Treks had an intro with just the outside of the ship so that’s what DS9 had to do.
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Jul 25, 2021 19:59
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Kibayasu posted:Someone once said DS9’s intro would have been vastly improved by it visiting all the locations in the area like Game of Thrones did and I agree wholeheartedly with that. Go through the inside and around the outside the station, visit Bajor, the badlands, inside the wormhole, Cardassia, and bring in the Great Link or Martok’s ship once those are things. Like a lot of things DS9 did at the start it felt like it had to do what other Treks did and the other Treks had an intro with just the outside of the ship so that’s what DS9 had to do. Or they could've went this route: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59_Wzssx4iA
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Jul 25, 2021 20:00
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I skip all intros, every single time.
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Jul 25, 2021 20:04
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Best part of DS9 intro is the tingly noise at the start when you go through the comet/asteroid tail. I was at a friends out who had proper 5.1 surround sound set up, and it was loving glorious. And it has spock face in it.
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Jul 25, 2021 20:08
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I liked the trailer intros that this guy did for each season of DS9. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKLsGlQ3CHE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DdpdbHdQ81I https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqEIIOYjG5Y https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uDXux7OEYc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8DpDhmE01A
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Jul 25, 2021 20:32
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Okay this thread is huge but I gotta talk about this regardless if it's been gone over. In In The Pale Moonlight which has always been one of my favs, on a recent rewatch, I had the epiphany Garak was lying about contacting anyone on Cardassia to try to get evidence of a Dominion plot to go after the Romulans. It's even basically explicitly confirmed when Garak tells Sisko to bullshit Vreenak with 'lost a dozen good men bringing it across the line', after telling Sisko all the operatives he contacted on Cardassia were killed within 1 day of speaking to him. So I go on some searching after I realized that and someone astutely pointed out that the acquiring the data rod was bullshit too. If you pay attention to how he frames it in the elevator ride, it goes along with his previously shown methods of lying where he couches truth with an obfuscation of deceptive language referring to himself in the third person. He also deflects what he's going to use the bio mnemetic gel for. 'Presumably something to do with genetic experimentation'. Now, Trek during this time was really good with setup/payoff stuff. Bashir tells Sisko what the dangerous substance can be used for when voicing his objection, finishing with 'developing organic explosives' before Sisko cuts him off with his reiteration of the order to package up the gel. Who would likely have something like the extremely limited optilithic data rod as described in the episode? Why, the same guy who was being groomed to take over as the head of the Obsidian Order of course. Someone also pointed out in an earlier season where Garak is going off on a dangerous mission and tells Bashir the location of a hidden panel in his shop that has a data rod inside it and tells him to eat it if Garak doesn't come back. Exactly the sort of thing he'd say, tell a lie with the truth alongside it, disguised as part of the lie. None of this is ever discovered or realized by Sisko, and the audience is never directly told. Motherfucker saw an opportunity when Sisko asked him for help and singlehandedly set up the circumstances to pull the Romulans into the war by manipulating Sisko and utilizing patience. This episode, more than any other, shows just what he is capable of and how he would absolutely be at the top of Cardassia's spy/operative game. To me this also puts this episode on an all time high of Trek episodes as a whole. Justin Credible fucked around with this message at 20:42 on Jul 25, 2021 |
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Jul 25, 2021 20:39
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Plus he realizes how stupid it would be to even consider contacting old resources on Cardassia given that he was specifically singled out by the Dominion to remain incarcerated after the treaty between his people and the Founders was signed. He knows how to pull one over on the Romulans but he learned the hard way to never underestimate the Dominion.
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Jul 25, 2021 20:43
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Exactly, he pulled off similar Romulan political fuckery when he was a gardener on Romulus.
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Jul 25, 2021 20:45
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mmhmm. mhmm. i see you make some good points *thinks about garak measuring my inseam*
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Jul 25, 2021 20:59
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CBS also painted itself into a corner with the Disco 3 by saying that "regardless of what anyone does, the Starfleet collapses in few centuries". Unless they give Disco3+ the ST:TAS treatment and say that "after the timejump it became the Burnham timeline and gently caress that, unless we specifically refer to it somewhere". They have what, 5 shows now in development and all of them go towards the "does not matter, dilithium stops working, ships get trashed, and federation basically ceases to exist".
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Jul 25, 2021 21:52
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like every other idea kurtzman plagiarizes, he doesn't really understand andromeda.
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Jul 25, 2021 21:56
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Better things aren't possible, please buy this repro commbadge
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Jul 25, 2021 21:57
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Make it so they have to break the Time Travel accords and have to prevent the Burn. Turns out half the galaxy post burn is Borg or those mind control alien things that live in your neck from TNG.
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Jul 25, 2021 22:03
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Picard S1 is in 2399 and Disco S3 is in 3189 or something like that. There's plenty of distance where we at least don't have to think about the dumb decisions they made in terms of what happens to the Federation later on.
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Jul 25, 2021 22:09
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anyone have some good Garack/Bashir fanfic?
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Jul 25, 2021 22:09
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FlamingLiberal posted:I'm not even a huge fan of Disco but it's at least coherent, unlike whatever Picard was supposed to be. I've never gotten more than halfway through a season is Discovery before giving up on it because of my hatred of the characters. I've at least finished Picard. Not that it was good either.
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Jul 25, 2021 22:13
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FlamingLiberal posted:Picard S1 is in 2399 and Disco S3 is in 3189 or something like that. There's plenty of distance where we at least don't have to think about the dumb decisions they made in terms of what happens to the Federation later on. yeah, I don't really think "the burn happens later" is a problem in terms of Trek storytelling. I'd still be interested in post-Picard, pre-burn stories. I'd be interested in a series about the Enterprise C, despite knowing how they end up. I am interested in the series about Pike on the Enterprise before Kirk takes over, despite knowing how he ends up.
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Jul 25, 2021 22:15
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it kinda interferes with the time travelers from voyager, i think?
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Jul 25, 2021 22:17
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Lol if u still give a poo poo what happens to the romulaks
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Jul 25, 2021 22:18
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FlamingLiberal posted:Picard S1 is in 2399 and Disco S3 is in 3189 or something like that. There's plenty of distance where we at least don't have to think about the dumb decisions they made in terms of what happens to the Federation later on. They made it pretty clear in a very heavy-handed way that all other options will lead to the sentient life losing that war against the AI, so the only solution was to take the 100000 years of AI data to the future, and we get what Disco3 showed us. So unless they do timeline splitting, or a full retcon of Disco S3 onwards, that is where they will inevitably end up to. Pike also knows that he will become invalid, and we know that he does absolutely nothing (or was it that he cannot do anything) to prevent that from happening, since taking the time crystal solidifies that part of the timeline.
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Jul 25, 2021 22:23
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Der Kyhe posted:They made it pretty clear in a very heavy-handed way that all other options will lead to the sentient life losing that war against the AI, so the only solution was to take the 100000 years of AI data to the future, and we get what Disco3 showed us. Has it been beaten to death how that core conceit doesn't make any loving sense? Control was already self-aware and self-improving with access to nanotechnology, so it was on track to cause a grey goo apocalypse, but it could have used the sphere data to learn statistical information about how previous AIs (I guess the space cthulhus from Picard?) perfected themselves, allowing it to accomplish that faster. But at no point did it Control need the sphere data. Either the pewpew solution was ineffective and a fragment of Control survived to inevitably reassert itself over a longer timeline (but not that long a timeline) or they successfully eradicated it and there was no reason for Discovery to leave the timeline, because the AI was dead. I guess you could say gimme the GOD drat candy posted:like every other idea kurtzman plagiarizes, he doesn't really understand
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Jul 25, 2021 23:25
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gimme the GOD drat candy posted:it kinda interferes with the time travelers from voyager, i think? The furthest out we had seen from before Disco S3 was Daniels, who was from the 31st century. He was probably alive when The Burn happened.
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Jul 25, 2021 23:31
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FlamingLiberal posted:Nyota was her non-canon first name until JJTrek, yeah. IIRC "Nyota" was introduced in one of the Trek novels from the 70s and used a lot in other novels etc, but never actually spoken on screen until the first JJ Trek movie. It was a similar thing with Sulu and his first name Hikaru - given in an early novel but not canon until ST6.
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Jul 25, 2021 23:51
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1000 Brown M and Ms posted:IIRC "Nyota" was introduced in one of the Trek novels from the 70s and used a lot in other novels etc, but never actually spoken on screen until the first JJ Trek movie. It was a similar thing with Sulu and his first name Hikaru - given in an early novel but not canon until ST6. Nichelle Nichols has given like two or three different stories about how the name was conceived, not entirely dissimilar to how her story about meeting Martin Luther King, Jr., changed quite a bit over the decades. It began as "I met MLK Jr once and he told me he was a fan of Star Trek" and later became "I was ready to quit Star Trek and had written my resignation when I had a chance meeting with MLK Jr and I told him I was ready to quit and he told me I couldn't possibly quit because my role meant so much, and I just couldn't let him down."
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Arcsquad12 posted:The best part about that cake-hole episode is that the psycho space ghost is indistinguishable from the real keiko so she has to spell it out to Obrien that she's a Demon because he doesn't see the difference until she actually threatens keiko's life. O'Brien doesn't notice the difference *because he thinks she's putting on a sexy show for him after being away for a while*. O'Brien and Keiko's relationship, and how she 'treats' him, is a massive Sex Thing for both of them. With tiny breaks to not be inappropriate around their kids. Otherwise, it's 26/7/365 for them. They're massive freaks, and they love each other utterly.
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