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hobbesmaster posted:This might actually come up in endwalker, I bet she’s officially there to guard or monitor the remnants of new sharlya, especially the library and antitower. I believe that was her stated excuse for why she was allowed to stay behind, or something like that. Well, that and the forum probably knows better than to try to force the stubborn old witch.
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hobbesmaster posted:This might actually come up in endwalker, I bet she’s officially there to guard or monitor the remnants of new sharlya, especially the library and antitower. I’m pretty sure she’s fully off the grid
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Hellioning posted:I'm fairly certain the 'consequences' are standard 'this ancient forbidden technique lowers your lifespan', IE it's Bad because it will Kill You Eventually but not in a timeframe that is liable to actually show up in the show/game/whatever. yeah i would be pretty surprised if she ends up paying any cost in the MSQ. it's the sort of thing that feels like a big chekov's gun but often just sorta goes unmentioned
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thetoughestbean posted:I’m pretty sure she’s fully off the grid She basically went Galt. She has enough clout to demand to be left alone, and the Forum was probably happy to oblige because it meant she wasn't in Sharlayan calling them out on their poo poo.
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jokes posted:Thankfully it’s usually supposed to be like a couple days or whatever. This was a bit ago, but some of the hardest evidence we have for the passage of time is in Heavensward which we know took a -minimum- of 9 months, as you see a couple go from first meeting to having had a child together over the patches, with their storyline updating with each new patch and ending 3.5, alongside patches starting with explicit references to months passing since the end of the previous patch including between 3.0 and 3.1 and 3.3 to 3.4 Cirina fucked around with this message at 02:48 on Jul 26, 2021 |
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Y'shtolla's natural inclination is to end up in a cave with a whole buncha books. Happened to her In ShB. There's a lil in-between quest dialog where she's all "oh man, I used to complain Motoya's cave just had everything strewn about and now look at this! I've become her! Ugh!!"
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I’d imagine Yshtola and Graha and Alphinaud and Alisaie are permanent central characters. Thancred went from “I burn, I pine, I perish” to “full-on mourning and not handling it well” to “Dad gun. So what?” so what’s left? Probably dying so he can be with Minfilia in death or whatever? Or just abandoning it all to find a new purpose somewhere else? Urianger’s a huge mystical nerd and that’s always in demand narratively. I want to see characters concluded. If it’s about creating a living world they pop back in here and there but their stories should be concluded sometimes or else they overstay their welcome. Yshtola is cheeky but very firmly not driving the narrative and that’s a good place for a poster child, and Graha Tia is kind of a male foil to her characterization. The Twins are just the WoL/Scions’ children, so as far as a core group goes no problems here. As far as trusts go you even have two DPS, a healer, and a guy who can fill any role.
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Jul 26, 2021 04:12
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Estinien owes me, his rear end is responsible for Stormblood. Yes, it worked out, but now I have to put up with Zenos.
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With the conflict between Zodiark and Hydaleyn ended and the threat of calamities and umbral eras ended for good, the Scions of the Seventh Dawn will disband, their job complete. 2 seconds later they'll announce a new group name and say you can't get rid of them that easy.
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Jul 26, 2021 04:38
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Really excited to see how G'raha (My #1 Fan and One of my cherished children) and Esitinien (One of my greatest admirers) take to Zenos doing his whole "My dearest friend slow horny inhale, my greatest foe..." Shtick.
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Gruckles posted:With the conflict between Zodiark and Hydaleyn ended and the threat of calamities and umbral eras ended for good, the Scions of the Seventh Dawn will disband, their job complete. “Grand company of eorzea” I almost hope not, if that’s where endwalker lands that almost makes alphinaud the main character from 2.0.
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Not sure I'd call Estinien one of our greatest admirers but more so a friend who greatly respects us. Still, I am looking forward to Graha seeing Zenos go full Zenos on us.
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Mysticblade posted:Not sure I'd call Estinien one of our greatest admirers but more so a friend who greatly respects us. The man shadow stalked us for months just in case things got dicey and he needed to swoop in to save the day. He's also totally in love with you like all the Ishgardian dudes you hung out with.
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I mean, it's possible. I completely missed that Haurchefant was into us until after he was dead and I didn't realise Aymeric was into me until he asked me out on a date. I just figured Estinien was an anti social sort of guy who wanted to avoid getting work dumped on him by Aymeric.
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I'm just saying the twins need a new dad and estinien has big Step-Dad energy.
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Jul 26, 2021 05:39
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gilgamesh can adopt them when he returns from the void
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Countblanc posted:gilgamesh can adopt them when he returns from the void Im not marrying Greg he's always out chasing Butz
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Gruckles posted:With the conflict between Zodiark and Hydaleyn ended and the threat of calamities and umbral eras ended for good, the Scions of the Seventh Dawn will disband, their job complete. Top tier Scions "resign" to do their own things (including the WoL) and the understudies all step up and take over would be one way to do it, with the organisation "the Scions of the Seventh Dawn" taking a step back in importance to the PC's story - they basically become another part of the plot when needed rather than the central thread.
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ZenMasterBullshit posted:Really excited to see how G'raha (My #1 Fan and One of my cherished children) and Esitinien (One of my greatest admirers) take to Zenos doing his whole "My dearest friend slow horny inhale, my greatest foe..." Shtick. *G'raha's eyes go big and starry eyed again*: THE Zenos?? The famous Zenos who fought the Warrior of Light, died and came back to life to fight him again? I can't believe I get to see such a thing in person
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Macaluso posted:*G'raha's eyes go big and starry eyed again*: THE Zenos?? The famous Zenos who fought the Warrior of Light, died and came back to life to fight him again? I can't believe I get to see such a thing in person Finally, someone who understands
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Macaluso posted:*G'raha's eyes go big and starry eyed again*: THE Zenos?? The famous Zenos who fought the Warrior of Light, died and came back to life to fight him again? I can't believe I get to see such a thing in person “Oh you have a fandaniel too?”
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hobbesmaster posted:“Oh you have a fandaniel too?” ...gently caress.
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I love G'raha Tia, I love Fancy Dan, and I love Zenos.
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I know at least one person who would be white hot with rage at someone calling G'raha the WoL's Fandaniel. 
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Yapping Eevee posted:I know at least one person who would be white hot with rage at someone calling G'raha the WoL's Fandaniel. I think Zenos really needs to push the player's buttons a bit more, I'm sure they'll figure something out.
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Yapping Eevee posted:I know at least one person who would be white hot with rage at someone calling G'raha the WoL's Fandaniel. Is it Fandaniel?
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Terper posted:I love G'raha Tia, I love Fancy Dan, and I love Zenos. Oh, I do too, except maybe downgrade Zenos to like.
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I'm pretty sure Zenos is my Fandaniel. It's fancys all the way dan.
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Yapping Eevee posted:I know at least one person who would be white hot with rage at someone calling G'raha the WoL's Fandaniel. And I want to die to! Oh Yes. I want to die and save everyone with me in a paroxysm of pain and sacrifice!
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Macaluso posted:*G'raha's eyes go big and starry eyed again*: THE Zenos?? The famous Zenos who fought the Warrior of Light, died and came back to life to fight him again? I can't believe I get to see such a thing in person Emet would still be alive in that timeline but after the Calamity I assume he would just go back to sleep.
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iPodschun posted:I know this is about how Graha reacts to Estinien and Lyse but now it has me wondering about the bad timeline. Black Rose gets unleashed after WoL beats Elidi-Zenos at Ghimlyt Dark and triggers the Eighth Calamity, but what happens to Elidibus and Zenos afterward? Would Zenos still try to get his body back with WoL dead or would he just give up without us? Would Elidibus just keep hanging out in Zenos' body? IIRC, Black Rose was Emet's idea, but he dropped it once he had his idea on the First to do things over there instead as a less-lethal option. So, presumably, he'd have worked on his followthrough, unless the Black Rose worked too well and killed too many people for him to move to the next phase of Zodiark Re-Redux.
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the_steve posted:IIRC, Black Rose was Emet's idea, but he dropped it once he had his idea on the First to do things over there instead as a less-lethal option. So, presumably, he'd have worked on his followthrough, unless the Black Rose worked too well and killed too many people for him to move to the next phase of Zodiark Re-Redux. The Black Rose and the events on the First are intertwined. It only happened because of the light apocalypse. He went to the First because the WoL did, he was all in on using the evil death gas before then, Zenos is the one who didn't like the Black Rose, because it spoils the sport of hunting or whatever. The apocalypses on the reflections are the things that cause the calamities to happen back on the Source. So when the 7th or whatever had its water apocalypse, it caused the big flood to happen through like historical forces. It's all very vague and mystical, but we know that they're linked. If Hades had killed the WoL and completed the Flood of Light, then the Black Rose thing would have gone forward.
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iPodschun posted:I know this is about how Graha reacts to Estinien and Lyse but now it has me wondering about the bad timeline. Black Rose gets unleashed after WoL beats Elidi-Zenos at Ghimlyt Dark and triggers the Eighth Calamity, but what happens to Elidibus and Zenos afterward? Would Zenos still try to get his body back with WoL dead or would he just give up without us? Would Elidibus just keep hanging out in Zenos' body? I think there’s a short story on the website that implies the Bad Timeline went awry enough that the Ascians’ plans are hosed. Midgardsormr and Omega help the future Ironworks rebuild after they send G’raha back in time
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Future Timeline Emet Selch could be a good card to play in the event of flagging subscription numbers, that's a real nice treat they've given themselves to mine for a future story arc
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There needs to be something happening on the Source to prime it to receive the aether from a reflection; the Thirteenth turned into the Void because there was no corresponding disaster ready. It's what happens when the Ascians cause an apocalypse on one of the shards with no further set-up.
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I actually don't think our timeline's Emet-Selch is dead. He just got trucked with a laser, there was nothing trapping his soul so that it could be burnt to a crisp like there was for Elidibus, Lahabrea, Igeyorhm, or Nabriales. He was The Toughest Ascian so there's no way he wouldn't have survived that.
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the_steve posted:IIRC, Black Rose was Emet's idea, but he dropped it once he had his idea on the First to do things over there instead as a less-lethal option. So, presumably, he'd have worked on his followthrough, unless the Black Rose worked too well and killed too many people for him to move to the next phase of Zodiark Re-Redux. Bad timeline - WoL beats Elidi-Zenos, Black Rose gets released on Eorzean forces as response but is unexpectedly potent due to Black Rose being Light-aspected + the First being consumed by Light, Calamity is triggered New timeline - Graha's interruption means Elidi-Zenos doesn't lose, WoL gets called to the First and starts defeating Lightwardens, Emet realizes something is wrong (maybe due to Black Rose testing being no longer as potent?) and starts following us on the First There would also be other stuff going on in the bad timeline like Gaius and Alphinaud continuing toward Garlemald with Alphinaud not getting pulled to the First, Estinien not joining Gaius the way he does in the new timeline, Zenos maybe not killing Varis. It's all inconsequential now but I think it's fun to ponder over for a few minutes. Chillgamesh posted:I think there’s a short story on the website that implies the Bad Timeline went awry enough that the Ascians’ plans are hosed. Midgardsormr and Omega help the future Ironworks rebuild after they send G’raha back in time
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Chillgamesh posted:I actually don't think our timeline's Emet-Selch is dead. He just got trucked with a laser, there was nothing trapping his soul so that it could be burnt to a crisp like there was for Elidibus, Lahabrea, Igeyorhm, or Nabriales. He was The Toughest Ascian so there's no way he wouldn't have survived that. I mean, he did show up to save us from Elidibus, and he had some sort of afterlife powers as Hades, so he could show up again. Probably not for a while, or as a major antagonist, but in some form. In 3 years, I could definitely see visiting some city on a brand new continent and just running into Emet-Selch in his old fancy Imperial outfit on some random city street 
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iPodschun posted:I skimmed through that story again and didn't see much about what else happened afterward with the Ascians. There's no mention of a Ninth Calamity but I assume Elidibus would have continued working toward the full rejoining after the Eighth Calamity was successful. I think the fact that nothing happened on the Source after 200 years to prevent them from sending G'raha back in time implies that, at least, Zenos and the Garleans aren't around any more, and since the largest society on the Bad Timeline Source would be the people of the Ironworks working with Midgardsormr and Omega, that would imply the Ascians weren't manipulating anyone. I guess they could have all gone to another shard though.
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