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Purgatory Glory posted:For those in areas where hospitals are overrun, what do they deniers have to say? "Nurses are lying, there's so much capacity!" Back when poo poo was really bad here a local COVID denier group tried to do a "Film your hospital Day", encouraging their followers to get "video evidence" that all the news that hospitals were filling up was just lies by filming all over hospitals or something. These people are actually that insane, yes.
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I figured they'd just be like, why would we need to go to a hospital? It's just a cold!Rolo posted:Thanks, I hope so too. I'm only on like day 5, that's how big of a baby I am being. Also I just took one of those ugly naps where I slept for 3 hours and woke up sweaty. For some reason I thought you had had it longer. This makes sense now. Days 2-8 or so, I felt like absolute rear end. It gets better! Hopefully soon!
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Purgatory Glory posted:For those in areas where hospitals are overrun, what do they deniers have to say? "Nurses are lying, there's so much capacity!" Round these parts we had a "first amendment auditor" (these sovereign citizen esque guys that go around filming and harassing people) trying to film people going into the hospital and saying they were crisis actors or whatever. Police got him jailed on a bunch of stuff.
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Rolo posted:Health Update: chest still burns even though I’m not coughing anymore. Energy low. Cloudy headed first 2 hours of every day. gently caress covid, gently caress the police, gently caress the GOP. Sounds like you’re ready to go to brunch!
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Jul 26, 2021 04:56
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Strep Vote posted:there is no safe way to eat inside a restaurant in an airborne pandemic, i hope this helps you avoid covid in the future This has been my strategy. No meal is worth the current risk. I’ll happily enjoy my food at home or somewhere outdoors.
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liz posted:This has been my strategy. No meal is worth the current risk. I’ll happily enjoy my food at home or somewhere outdoors. the nice thing about eating outdoors is that despite being the middle of summer, nobody else wants to do it. they all want to stuff into the restaurant so outdoors is empty and peaceful
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Jul 26, 2021 05:34
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You can catch Delta outdoors. It's as contagious as smallpox.
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Jul 26, 2021 05:44
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HazCat posted:It's as contagious as smallpox. Correct, to well within the error bars of both pathogens.
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Jul 26, 2021 05:51
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Pistol_Pete posted:I've been following this chart pretty much since Covid started: They seem to have forgotten to factor in the school and uni holidays and that they are staggered across the country in the models - there is more freedom to set term dates (mini goes back on something like the 16th of September this year) these days rather than the same immovable dates across the whole country. So it makes absolute sense that the cases would start to drop from last Monday. Not that awesome because it just proves that it’s utter insanity not to vaccinate teenagers.
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Purgatory Glory posted:For those in areas where hospitals are overrun, what do they deniers have to say? "Nurses are lying, there's so much capacity!" At the start of the pandemic we had a few groups unmasked deniers actually break into the closed down wards in hospitals and try to claim this was evidence of no covid, rather than evidence that hospitals always have a few non-icu wards mothballed because that’s how hospitals work. They got arrested and the fad ended very quickly
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Purgatory Glory posted:For those in areas where hospitals are overrun, what do they deniers have to say? "Nurses are lying, there's so much capacity!" Some of our hospitals were so full they put ICU beds in the parking lot. This made anti-vaxxers very angry because this proves the number of beds are limitless so it's just another made up stat to scare people. No they didn't hire any extra docotrs or nurses to cover the increased capacity, just beds under a tent in the parking lot.
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learnincurve posted:They seem to have forgotten to factor in the school and uni holidays and that they are staggered across the country in the models - there is more freedom to set term dates (mini goes back on something like the 16th of September this year) these days rather than the same immovable dates across the whole country. So it makes absolute sense that the cases would start to drop from last Monday. Yeah, I've never rated those models: crunching dozens and dozens of variables together and extrapolating outwards results in such a hugely wide range of possible outcomes that I fail to see what use the models are. If you're a leader needing to make decisions and you ask your scientists for a ballpark figure about where they think we'll be in two months time on current trends, being told: "Well, the model predicts somewhere between practically no infections and millions and millions of infections" is of pretty limited use. If you go past the headline results and dig into the small print, it's page upon page of caveats about how they can't really quantify half the variables, so they're either giving them enormous ranges, or just making a best guess.
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Pistol_Pete posted:Yeah, I've never rated those models: crunching dozens and dozens of variables together and extrapolating outwards results in such a hugely wide range of possible outcomes that I fail to see what use the models are. If you're a leader needing to make decisions and you ask your scientists for a ballpark figure about where they think we'll be in two months time on current trends, being told: "Well, the model predicts somewhere between practically no infections and millions and millions of infections" is of pretty limited use. If you go past the headline results and dig into the small print, it's page upon page of caveats about how they can't really quantify half the variables, so they're either giving them enormous ranges, or just making a best guess. https://twitter.com/ScottGottliebMD/status/1418938128786595840 https://twitter.com/ScottGottliebMD/status/1418940186151440384
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It's going to be interesting to see exactly where the fully vaccinated numbers end up for different countries. Just eyeballing the figures (and without accounting for vaxxing kids) it looks like the UK will probably end up somewhere in the 70-80% range. UK not too notorious for vaccine hesitancy, probably likely to be on the higher end of the spectrum of developed countries when all is said and done. Without other incentives and so forth, looks like the US will fall probably at least 10% lower than that overall. It's a pretty curious confounding factor to understanding how things will look like going forward for the next 6-12 months.
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Jul 26, 2021 11:27
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Mr Luxury Yacht posted:Back when poo poo was really bad here a local COVID denier group tried to do a "Film your hospital Day", encouraging their followers to get "video evidence" that all the news that hospitals were filling up was just lies by filming all over hospitals or something. Which is ironic because this is *actually* a HIPAA violation as opposed to you know, someone just asking you if you got the vaccine which is 100% not.
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Jul 26, 2021 11:34
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Jeza posted:It's going to be interesting to see exactly where the fully vaccinated numbers end up for different countries. Just eyeballing the figures (and without accounting for vaxxing kids) it looks like the UK will probably end up somewhere in the 70-80% range. UK not too notorious for vaccine hesitancy, probably likely to be on the higher end of the spectrum of developed countries when all is said and done. Without other incentives and so forth, looks like the US will fall probably at least 10% lower than that overall. It's a pretty curious confounding factor to understanding how things will look like going forward for the next 6-12 months. The US is really struggling to hit 50% fully vaxxed and won't get there for a while yet, that curve is flattening out real quick. I expect there'll be an uptick when they get a EUA for kids under 12 but it looks like that won't be happening until early next year.  https://ourworldindata.org/explorer...ISR~CHL~AUS~SGP I included Australia on the graph for the sake of comedy. 
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Jul 26, 2021 11:37
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Jeza posted:It's going to be interesting to see exactly where the fully vaccinated numbers end up for different countries. Just eyeballing the figures (and without accounting for vaxxing kids) it looks like the UK will probably end up somewhere in the 70-80% range. UK not too notorious for vaccine hesitancy, probably likely to be on the higher end of the spectrum of developed countries when all is said and done. Without other incentives and so forth, looks like the US will fall probably at least 10% lower than that overall. It's a pretty curious confounding factor to understanding how things will look like going forward for the next 6-12 months. We are already at 88% first dose and 70.3% for both - current prediction is 90-92% fully vaccinated.
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Jul 26, 2021 11:51
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learnincurve posted:We are already at 88% first dose and 70.3% for both - current prediction is 90-92% fully vaccinated. THat graph above looks like about 55% not 70%?
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Jul 26, 2021 12:00
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Learnincurve's numbers are for adults, not the whole population.
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Jul 26, 2021 12:02
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We should never have had all these children.
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Jul 26, 2021 12:03
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vyst posted:Which is ironic because this is *actually* a HIPAA violation as opposed to you know, someone just asking you if you got the vaccine which is 100% not. Isn’t HIPAA only binding on people within the healthcare profession, with a few exceptions? That’s not to say that they weren’t breaking other laws.
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Jul 26, 2021 12:05
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Platystemon posted:Isn’t HIPAA only binding on people within the healthcare profession, with a few exceptions? You could make the case the hospital could be held liable since any patients or health data showing (like monitors or documentation) would have had to give consent to the recording. It's not a slam dunk but it ruins the post otherwise lol
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Jul 26, 2021 12:42
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NotJustANumber99 posted:THat graph above looks like about 55% not 70%? We're at 56% of the whole population, including under-18s, vaccinated. If we get up to 90% of the over-18 population done that'll be 70% of the whole population. It's likely that that remaining 10% will just never get jabbed for whatever reason, so we'll almost certainly have to do at least 12-18 year olds too, which would get us up to 85ish percent, hopefully past the herd immunity threshold.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:We're at 56% of the whole population, including under-18s, vaccinated. If we get up to 90% of the over-18 population done that'll be 70% of the whole population. It's likely that that remaining 10% will just never get jabbed for whatever reason, so we'll almost certainly have to do at least 12-18 year olds too, which would get us up to 85ish percent, hopefully past the herd immunity threshold. Epidemiologists in Canada are estimating 95% of total population required for herd immunity from delta, although some recent calculated delta R put it well over 100% required given the infectiousness and current vaccine efficacy. Some kind of NPI is likely required regardless of vaccination to keep it out of exponential growth.
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Blitter posted:Epidemiologists in Canada are estimating 95% of total population required for herd immunity from delta, although some recent calculated delta R put it well over 100% required given the infectiousness and current vaccine efficacy. Got a link for that? I can’t find it anywhere.
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There’s a story on ABC News where they got a hold of CDC info estimating that the prevalence of breakthrough symptomatic infections among the vaccinated is 0.098 percent. Granted, this does not include asymptomatic infections, but that’s really good.
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FlamingLiberal posted:There’s a story on ABC News where they got a hold of CDC info estimating that the prevalence of breakthrough symptomatic infections among the vaccinated is 0.098 percent. Granted, this does not include asymptomatic infections, but that’s really good. Serious question for you, since that number is purely number of people who are vaccinated that have gotten tested and received a positive test divided by the number of people that are vaccinated, in a months time that is going to be a larger number, maybe half again larger, maybe double. Who knows. But it is going to be a larger number. Let's say it doubles. If that happens do you think that means the vaccine is now half as good as it is right now?
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FlamingLiberal posted:There’s a story on ABC News where they got a hold of CDC info estimating that the prevalence of breakthrough symptomatic infections among the vaccinated is 0.098 percent. Granted, this does not include asymptomatic infections, but that’s really good. That's in line with the numbers we're seeing out of every health department in the country that has released stats on breakthrough cases. Virginia is reporting 0.031% of vaccinated people becoming infected. Washington DC is showing 0.05% of all fully vaccinated individuals becoming infected, and even LA County (which has some of the highest number of breakthrough cases) still only shows 0.1342% of vaccinated people getting breakthrough cases.
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FlamingLiberal posted:There’s a story on ABC News where they got a hold of CDC info estimating that the prevalence of breakthrough symptomatic infections among the vaccinated is 0.098 percent. Granted, this does not include asymptomatic infections, but that’s really good. Is this post covid exposure or just across all the vaccinated population? Does asymptomatic include everyone who gets really sick but doesn't have to go to the hospital?
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FlamingLiberal posted:There’s a story on ABC News where they got a hold of CDC info estimating that the prevalence of breakthrough symptomatic infections among the vaccinated is 0.098 percent. Granted, this does not include asymptomatic infections, but that’s really good. That number also only includes adults, it doesn't include breakthrough cases in children. It's a subset of a subset. https://abcnews.go.com/US/symptomatic-breakthrough-covid-19-infections-rare-cdc-data/story?id=79048589
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Elea posted:Does asymptomatic include everyone who gets really sick but doesn't have to go to the hospital? No. "asymptomatic" means "without symptoms". Anyone who has symptoms is not asymptomatic.
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FlamingLiberal posted:They seriously need to make a decision on this already and stop dicking around When you have half the country ready to murder anyone who tells them to wear a mask, you can't expect him to simply do this. If they begin pushing for mask mandates, they'll probably need the backing of the military at this point.
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Thoguh posted:Serious question for you, since that number is purely number of people who are vaccinated that have gotten tested and received a positive test divided by the number of people that are vaccinated, in a months time that is going to be a larger number, maybe half again larger, maybe double. Who knows. But it is going to be a larger number. Let's say it doubles. If that happens do you think that means the vaccine is now half as good as it is right now? You can actually see it increase week by week in one of the links that LanceHunter posted:  https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2021-07-22/los-angeles-covid-june-vaccine-breakthrough-cases It's a really stupid statistic to report and it doesn't mean a drat thing right now. Maybe when we get the final number after the pandemic has ended it'll mean something but that's several years off, this bullshit is pure copium.
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:You can actually see it increase week by week in one of the links that LanceHunter posted: Look, I know you're addicted to anti-vaxx doomerism, but that number is still more useful than the baseline-free "X% of new cases were breakouts".
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:You can actually see it increase week by week in one of the links that LanceHunter posted: The NYT says that there have been 34.4 million positive COVID cases in the US. The US population is about 330 million. So I'm happy to be able to post that not getting vaccinated has had about an 89% success rate in being protected from COVID.
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ultrafilter posted:No. "asymptomatic" means "without symptoms". Anyone who has symptoms is not asymptomatic. I agree that's what the word means but how is it being used by the CDC if they aren't actively testing and surveying vaccinated people for milder covid symptoms?
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Elea posted:I agree that's what the word means but how is it being used by the CDC if they aren't actively testing and surveying vaccinated people for milder covid symptoms? There’s still plenty of places that have routine testing as part of employment, for example. A positive test with no symptoms gets filed as asymptomatic. Someone with symptoms is, well, symptomatic. If you’re not being routinely screened an asymptomatic case is hard to find but welp, that’s just kind of how testing for viruses works.
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Philthy posted:When you have half the country ready to murder anyone who tells them to wear a mask, you can't expect him to simply do this. If they begin pushing for mask mandates, they'll probably need the backing of the military at this point.
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New York City making the right call... New York is expected to require city workers to be vaccinated by mid-September. quote:New York City will require all municipal workers to be vaccinated against the coronavirus by the time schools reopen in mid-September or face weekly testing, Mayor Bill de Blasio plans to announce on Monday morning, according to a city official.
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