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Hyrax Attack!
Jan 13, 2009

We demand to be taken seriously

UP THE BUM NO BABY posted:

wut

eta: reading the alternate ending on Wikipedia, poo poo is wild

The rocket launcher ending is on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-GqY-M5fE4

Were there four possible endings?
-Actual ending in film of border crossing helicopter crash
-Simon gets away but McClane tracks him down (filmed but not used)
-Bomb hidden on plane (not filmed)
-First draft of script had Simons plan be to put the garbage trucks through a scrapper, load most of the gold onto a ship to be sunk in the Atlantic, and he gets away with some of the gold. McClane puts on a bomb on a truck going into the scrapper and the explosion takes out Simon's crew, then McClane breaks his neck in a fight: https://www.scriptslug.com/assets/uploads/scripts/die-hard-with-a-vengeance-1995.pdf

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PookBear
Nov 1, 2008

its not actual physical currency, its what percentage of deposits are loaned and what percent is on hand.

boop the snoot
Jun 3, 2016
The people who joke that money isn’t real aren’t joking.

Hekk
Oct 12, 2012

'smeper fi

RFC2324 posted:

I think what they are saying is that the bank has to keep X% of its account value(usually calculated at EOB) in physical cash, partly to prevent runs on the banks causing a banking collapse.

https://www.investopedia.com/terms/r/requiredreserves.asp

Apparently it was set to 0% in March 2020 :thunk:

Yeah it’s this. I am stupid as hell about the subject and phone posting but the idea is that banks create massive multiples of money through lending and borrowing that gets really complicated.

So if I borrow 10,000 dollars from the bank, it’s highly likely that the money is getting deposited into another bank somewhere. Unless there is SOME percentage of money that banks must keep on hand, that bank can in turn lend all of that money out, where it gets deposited somewhere else and lent out over and over infinitely.

So that 10k in actual money turns into millions of dollars in electronic currency that is lent over and over and over.

Flikken
Oct 23, 2009

10,363 snaps and not a playoff win to show for it

shame on an IGA posted:

Cash is a giant pain in the rear end to deal with at any kind of scale and banks and businesses both hate it

The cash still gets physically moved using the fed as a centralized clearing house. Even coin still gets moved.


Edit: Cash for Bitcoin is a thing now too.

Flikken fucked around with this message at 22:49 on Jul 26, 2021

FrozenVent
May 1, 2009

The Boeing 737-200QC is the undisputed workhorse of the skies.

Hekk posted:

Yeah it’s this. I am stupid as hell about the subject and phone posting but the idea is that banks create massive multiples of money through lending and borrowing that gets really complicated.

So if I borrow 10,000 dollars from the bank, it’s highly likely that the money is getting deposited into another bank somewhere. Unless there is SOME percentage of money that banks must keep on hand, that bank can in turn lend all of that money out, where it gets deposited somewhere else and lent out over and over infinitely.

So that 10k in actual money turns into millions of dollars in electronic currency that is lent over and over and over.

Yeah but the bank’s reserve not in a vault. It’s in an account somewhere.

UP THE BUM NO BABY
Sep 1, 2011

by Hand Knit
Revising my movie script wherein the terrorists break into the Federal Reserve to now steal all of their excel files

UP THE BUM NO BABY
Sep 1, 2011

by Hand Knit
Gimme da cash.xls

Hekk
Oct 12, 2012

'smeper fi

FrozenVent posted:

Yeah but the bank’s reserve not in a vault. It’s in an account somewhere.

It is though. Unless my adult night school public university degree lied to me, that money is kept on hand or at the nearest federal reserve vault.

Flikken
Oct 23, 2009

10,363 snaps and not a playoff win to show for it

Hekk posted:

It is though. Unless my adult night school public university degree lied to me, that money is kept on hand or at the nearest federal reserve vault.

It's this.

RFC2324
Jun 7, 2012

http 418

Hekk posted:

It is though. Unless my adult night school public university degree lied to me, that money is kept on hand or at the nearest federal reserve vault.

Yeah, they have to have enough on hand so that if everyone suddenly decides they need to pull all their cash out, they have enough to keep handing out money til a new truck from the fed shows up.

history shows that when banks have to tell customers that they don't actually have cash to fill their account, bad things happen in a cascading effect, so they took steps to avoid that

orange juche
Mar 14, 2012



UP THE BUM NO BABY posted:

Gimme da cash.xls


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7EkIYU4Y8Q&t=3s

Tiny Timbs
Sep 6, 2008

Am I weird for getting major 5th Element vibes from Looper? And I don’t mean the Bruce Willis part

Just watched it on Friday and I couldn’t shake the feeling that it felt vaguely French

UP THE BUM NO BABY
Sep 1, 2011

by Hand Knit

Fallom posted:

Am I weird for getting major 5th Element vibes from Looper? And I don’t mean the Bruce Willis part

Just watched it on Friday and I couldn’t shake the feeling that it felt vaguely French

Some of it feels fairly similar to La Jetée, if you're familiar with French New Wave

Milo and POTUS
Sep 3, 2017

I will not shut up about the Mighty Morphin Power Rangers. I talk about them all the time and work them into every conversation I have. I built a shrine in my room for the yellow one who died because sadly no one noticed because she died around 9/11. Wanna see it?

boop the snoot posted:

The people who joke that money isn’t real aren’t joking.

Selina shouldn't have fired ray

PookBear
Nov 1, 2008

Holy gently caress yall are really getting hung up around the physical money thing. "Reserve requirements are the amount of cash that banks must have, in their vaults or at the closest Federal Reserve bank, in line with deposits made by their customers."

So what this means is that if banks are required to keep 10% in reserve, then 10% is stored as actual currency, while the other 90% is loaned out and 'stored' as a debt.

pmchem
Jan 22, 2010


RFC2324 posted:

Yeah, they have to have enough on hand so that if everyone suddenly decides they need to pull all their cash out, they have enough to keep handing out money til a new truck from the fed shows up.

history shows that when banks have to tell customers that they don't actually have cash to fill their account, bad things happen in a cascading effect, so they took steps to avoid that

regulations for primary dealer and global systemically important banks are absurdly complicated for non finance experts to follow. suffice to say, there is NOT a big pile of cash sitting around somewhere to cover all of a bank’s liabilities.

anyone who wants to spend several weeks learning about this can start here:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basel_III

PookBear
Nov 1, 2008

Also re: money is usless!!!

no poo poo which is why no one actually stores bags of money. Its stored as capital, the $ is just an easy way to determine how much.

PookBear
Nov 1, 2008

boop the snoot posted:

The people who joke that money isn’t real aren’t joking.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialist_calculation_debate

cole i am begging you with tears in my eyes to read about this

Wingnut Ninja
Jan 11, 2003

Mostly Harmless
https://twitter.com/cyclingreporter/status/1419718932320165895

"A 27-year-old triathlete won Olympic gold, vomited everywhere, and had to be taken away in a wheelchair"

"The Olympic legend Matthew Pinsent called the performance "outstanding.""

Meanwhile I did a practice PRT today, I had to pedal really hard for 12 minutes on a stationary bike. :sweatdrop:

facialimpediment
Feb 11, 2005

as the world turns
For this kidney stone bullshit I'm going through (stent is in, feeling better, stones to be busted later), I basically can't do any of the high-impact exercise that I used to. It's a real bummer and I have no idea what the gently caress I'm going to do with all of my newfound time. I'm not quite one of those go-until-you-puke types, but I understand where it comes from.

I also have a lot more respect for soccer players that seem to fall over from a stiff breeze (not flopping) because a gentle tap would probably put me into a neighbor's porch.

Godholio
Aug 28, 2002

Does a bear split in the woods near Zheleznogorsk?
^Realized this afternoon that my leftover painkillers are almost gone, so there's a half decent chance I'll actually have to seek medical attention this year. Hopefully I can stretch it until 2022, then crush my deductible for the year early on. Kidney stones are the worst loving thing.

FrozenVent posted:

Yeah but the bank’s reserve not in a vault. It’s in an account somewhere.

It's both.

PookBear posted:

Holy gently caress yall are really getting hung up around the physical money thing. "Reserve requirements are the amount of cash that banks must have, in their vaults or at the closest Federal Reserve bank, in line with deposits made by their customers."

So what this means is that if banks are required to keep 10% in reserve, then 10% is stored as actual currency, while the other 90% is loaned out and 'stored' as a debt.

What it means is that 10% is stored as actual currency, PLUS their standard cashflow for dealing with customers. Which, at a mid size branch in a relatively small metropolitan area, can be hundreds of thousands to a couple million every day or two.

Godholio fucked around with this message at 03:54 on Jul 27, 2021

GD_American
Jul 21, 2004

LISTEN TO WHAT I HAVE TO SAY AS IT'S INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT!
I thought most suburban branches kept even less than $10,000 in actual cash on hand.

BIG HEADLINE
Jun 13, 2006

"Stand back, Ottawan ruffian, or face my lumens!"

GD_American posted:

I thought most suburban branches kept even less than $10,000 in actual cash on hand.

Those shady anchored-to-the-floor ATMs in 7-Elevens can have $25-50K in them, which is why people have tried ramming trucks into stores before, so I'd imagine actual bank branches would have at least $100-250K on hand.

Crab Dad
Dec 28, 2002

behold i have tempered and refined thee, but not as silver; as CRAB


BIG HEADLINE posted:

Those shady anchored-to-the-floor ATMs in 7-Elevens can have $25-50K in them, which is why people have tried ramming trucks into stores before, so I'd imagine actual bank branches would have at least $100-250K on hand.

Lol each full size ATM at a bank will have that amount in them. Most banks will have 2-4. Then cash for pay check days. The poorer the area the more people cash checks out so the busiest cash flow banks will be in farming communities. We used to move a cool million in $20 ever Thursday to a single busiest branch and there would still be 4 other branches in town.

Y’all really don’t know how much money is in circulation.

Arrath
Apr 14, 2011


FrozenVent posted:

Cash is a tiny, tiny proportion of interbank transactions. Like vanishingly small.

It’s all wires nowadays, and those are done over the internet. There’s still some amount of manual work involved, because when you’re moving a billion dollars, you really want to take the time there’s no typos.

Well, unless you're CitiBank

Midjack
Dec 24, 2007



Arrath posted:

Well, unless you're CitiBank

:sickos:

Ataxerxes
Dec 2, 2011

What is a soldier but a miserable pile of eaten cats and strange language?
Near the home of my friends parents there is a small store that had an ATM, until the third time the same guy used a tractor to pull it from the wall. Completely useless, since those machines have color things that stain the money if you smash them.

Milo and POTUS
Sep 3, 2017

I will not shut up about the Mighty Morphin Power Rangers. I talk about them all the time and work them into every conversation I have. I built a shrine in my room for the yellow one who died because sadly no one noticed because she died around 9/11. Wanna see it?
Some people are just in it for love of the game

Crab Dad
Dec 28, 2002

behold i have tempered and refined thee, but not as silver; as CRAB


Ataxerxes posted:

Near the home of my friends parents there is a small store that had an ATM, until the third time the same guy used a tractor to pull it from the wall. Completely useless, since those machines have color things that stain the money if you smash them.

Lol who told you that? Unless it was specifically to catch who ever was stealing them ( not likely) there probably wasnt even a GPS tracking unit in it.

Kesper North
Nov 3, 2011

EMERGENCY POWER TO PARTY

Crab Dad posted:

Lol who told you that? Unless it was specifically to catch who ever was stealing them ( not likely) there probably wasnt even a GPS tracking unit in it.

Probably the famous detective, his friend's parents

ThisIsJohnWayne
Feb 23, 2007
Ooo! Look at me! NO DON'T LOOK AT ME!



Crab Dad posted:

Lol who told you that? Unless it was specifically to catch who ever was stealing them ( not likely) there probably wasnt even a GPS tracking unit in it.

Ataxerxes lives in Finland. Also none of us euros are joining the monetary concepts in the US discussion because :piaa:

Big K of Justice
Nov 27, 2005

Anyone seen my ball joints?

RFC2324 posted:

I think what they are saying is that the bank has to keep X% of its account value(usually calculated at EOB) in physical cash, partly to prevent runs on the banks causing a banking collapse.

https://www.investopedia.com/terms/r/requiredreserves.asp

Apparently it was set to 0% in March 2020 :thunk:

It's nuts when I was in Canada, compared to here in the US. I could go to almost any US bank branch and pull out 5-10k cash which.. isn't very often, and no one would blink at the bank and I'd have my cash pretty quickly.

When I lived In Vancouver for a stint? I got such a raw deal on electronic currency conversion and wire transfers, it got to the point I'd cash out a good chunk of Canadian money, walk it over to the gold coin/stamp place and have them convert cash to cash US dollars then redeposit the money. I started doing this on a monthly basis and it freaked the bank out each time I did it. Their cash float per branch was extremely low [since everyone and their dog uses interact for everything]. It got to the point I had to go to two different branches to get 4K taken out for a total of $8K.

After 3 months the bank manager finally decided to match the exchange rate at the bullion shop. Canadian banks make up a bullshit rule that they won't match currency exchange rates unless it's a 100k transaction but that's horseshit.

If a G7 country is ever going to have a bank run, Canada would be on top of the list.

mlmp08
Jul 11, 2004

Prepare for my priapic projectile's exalted penetration
Nap Ghost
Each morning the suburban banker prints a batch of fresh, warm money. They close for the day when they run out. The Sacajawea special is on Wednesdays only.

Milo and POTUS
Sep 3, 2017

I will not shut up about the Mighty Morphin Power Rangers. I talk about them all the time and work them into every conversation I have. I built a shrine in my room for the yellow one who died because sadly no one noticed because she died around 9/11. Wanna see it?
Armored cars can only drive 20 miles a day or they get lost

FrozenVent
May 1, 2009

The Boeing 737-200QC is the undisputed workhorse of the skies.

Crab Dad posted:

Y’all really don’t know how much money is in circulation.

You’re vastly underestimating how much money actually gets moved around electronically. A million bucks is nothing.

Flikken
Oct 23, 2009

10,363 snaps and not a playoff win to show for it
I really should sit down and do an effort post on how physical currency moves in our economy, because it can get kinda complicated but long story short an electronic move between FI's will have a corresponding physical move done behind the scenes somewhere.

TheWeedNumber
Apr 20, 2020

by sebmojo

Flikken posted:

I really should sit down and do an effort post on how physical currency moves in our economy, because it can get kinda complicated but long story short an electronic move between FI's will have a corresponding physical move done behind the scenes somewhere.

Can you do a in-depth tutorial on money laundering too? Asking for a friend

Flikken
Oct 23, 2009

10,363 snaps and not a playoff win to show for it

TheWeedNumber posted:

Can you do a in-depth tutorial on money laundering too? Asking for a friend

Yeah, find a cash cloud machine somewhere and put your cash into it in exchange for bitcoin.

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That Works
Jul 22, 2006

Every revolution evaporates and leaves behind only the slime of a new bureaucracy


I think everyone's getting hung up on volumes of physical cash moving around when it's not really a question that:


1. That volume is far less than the total $$$ being transacted digitally each day.

2. Ergo our present currency is totally valid as a digital currency making one of the proposed advantages of bitcoin moot.

e: correct me if that's wrong.

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