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ChickenDoodle posted:I used to have faith, cause there was none anywhere else. Watching the updates got me through the first two months of isolation. But then they started being condescending, and then loving the numbers, and then Horgan won the majority and the mask completely fell off. Same. My sister is a teacher too and we've been really pissed at the BCNDP since before covid but the pandemic just took that to new heights.
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Jul 27, 2021 06:22
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bc teachers and being furious at the provincial government. name a more iconic duo
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Jul 27, 2021 06:37
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the talent deficit posted:bc teachers and being furious at the provincial government. name a more iconic duo ...Ontario teachers and being furious at the provincial government?
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Jul 27, 2021 06:45
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the talent deficit posted:bc teachers and being furious at the provincial government. name a more iconic duo Christie Clark and being heavily implicated in but never actually charged with any crimes. nine-gear crow fucked around with this message at 08:15 on Jul 27, 2021 |
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Jul 27, 2021 08:10
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the talent deficit posted:bc teachers and being furious at the provincial government. name a more iconic duo Liberals and hands in cookie jars? Conservatives and electing human bags of milk as leaders? Cheryl Gallant and batshit craziness?
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Jul 27, 2021 11:05
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Entropic posted:The governor-generalship is an inconsequential sinecure, change my mind. Well it'll piss off some racists, that's a plus. But uh.... obviously there's some symbolism, and role models matter, but substantive policy, I dunno.
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Jul 27, 2021 12:13
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Entropic posted:The governor-generalship is an inconsequential sinecure, change my mind. There is some sort of value that comes from political symbolism, but I think in this case it's pretty low. The government has still not fulfilled even half of the TRC actions so a figurehead appointment doesn't come off too well in light of that. I also don't believe that there can ever be what might be considered full reconciliation until indigenous peoples have political power on equal footing with the colonizer government. I don't remember who proposed it, but I was pretty onboard with replacing the Senate with a 100% indigenous senate-like house whose members are appointed by their nations in some sort of representative fashion. That would certainly get the attention of some people.
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Jul 27, 2021 13:49
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I mean, technically couldn't the GG veto everything (or just refuse to rubberstamp anything) until the Canadian government at least starts upholding their end of the treaties and agreements?
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Jul 27, 2021 13:51
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Randalor posted:I mean, technically couldn't the GG veto everything (or just refuse to rubberstamp anything) until the Canadian government at least starts upholding their end of the treaties and agreements? It would be a political nightmare I'm sure but I expect the only outcome of that would be the Queen dismissing the GG. Continuing my thoughts, they should also make an exception to the bilingualism requirements for indigenous candidates for the Supreme Court etc. as well as at the very least adding some number of indigenous seats to the senate and commons. PEI gets ludicrous overrepresentation while indigenous peoples get 0.
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Jul 27, 2021 14:01
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saints gambit posted:He is a potato with teeth. Or a really angry toe.
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Jul 27, 2021 14:03
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I think the GG (and by the extension the crown) is mostly pointless, but I'd rather have all the symbolism and pomp of our country based around an old lady not allowed to have opinions and a representative that you only ever hear about when they're appointed or retired vs. a bunch of long dead white guys whose extensive 18th century opinions have been enshrined as the final say in how to run a country.
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Jul 27, 2021 14:38
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Australia had governor general who didn’t give royal assent to something, ultimate result was a constitutional amendment blocking governors general from having opinions, i think. Personally, i think they should lean in to the pointless symbolism and just make a portait of the queen governor-general. Or, if it has to be a human, do a kfc and have a bunch of different people dressed as the queen rotate through the role. I’m sure Norm McDonald is available.
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Jul 27, 2021 16:27
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tagesschau posted:...Ontario teachers and being furious at the provincial government? AB teachers and being furiously resigned with the provincial government?
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Jul 27, 2021 17:01
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Argas posted:Same. My sister is a teacher too and we've been really pissed at the BCNDP since before covid but the pandemic just took that to new heights. The problem with the BCNDP is that they are kind of lovely but the BCLiberals are maybe the shittiest provincial party to ever exist (or at least the most corrupt). Like you can be pretty lovely and still not as bad as lying and saying researchers who disagreed with you were under RCMP investigation (completely untrue but one of them killed themselves over the stress), or just happening to disband the corruption task force right after they started investigating the jaw-dropping amount of money being laundered through real estate/casinos, or lying about the deficit by half a billion, or using public funds to collect data to run their campaign on, or or or (seriously it just goes on and on) Also some parts of what the BCNDP have done is actually really pretty good, but anything relating to resources/environment they are loving terrible (although the fish farms are finally, FINALLY loving off), and Horgan is basically Boomers Personified
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Jul 27, 2021 17:50
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the talent deficit posted:bc teachers and being furious at the provincial government. name a more iconic duo Liberals and plans for nationalized daycare
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Jul 27, 2021 18:44
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Alctel posted:Also some parts of what the BCNDP have done is actually really pretty good, but anything relating to resources/environment they are loving terrible (although the fish farms are finally, FINALLY loving off), and Horgan is basically Boomers Personified What are the good things? Genuinely curious.
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Jul 27, 2021 20:19
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https://www.cbc.ca/listen/cbc-podca...i-collaboratorsquote:Another controversy for the Memorial to the Victims of Communism in Ottawa as some donations were made to it in honour of fascists and Nazi collaborators. This is my shocked face.
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Jul 27, 2021 20:47
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Goosed it. posted:What are the good things? Genuinely curious. Just off the top of my head: Banned corporate donations to parties and capped individual donations New Mental Health and Addictions ministry combined with a bunch of funding for mental health for kids and teens Unfucked a bunch of crown corps High-speed internet project to a bunch of rural communities and reserves Here in Victoria the province keeps buying up buildings to turn them into supportive housing for homeless people, not sure if that's province-wide MSP premiums are gone BC Child Opportunity Benefit Speculation and Vacancy tax Froze rates on BC ferries Cancelled interest on all past, present and future BC student loans Managed to run a surplus even with all the new poo poo they put out in the first year (admittedly this is more a statement on how mismanaged the budget was under the BC Liberals) There is actually a bunch more, though a lot of them are kinda technical and small and are more about making the province actually functional again rather than a money laundering operation (I cannot stress how bad the BC Libs were) Alctel fucked around with this message at 20:58 on Jul 27, 2021 |
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Jul 27, 2021 20:52
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Alctel posted:Just off the top of my head: They also recently announced a safe supply initiative so that is pretty novel and progressive for Canada.
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Jul 27, 2021 21:04
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Alctel posted:Just off the top of my head: Thanks -- that is a lot of good stuff. I'm a public health/epi person and the pandemic has really soured my perception of them. It's easy to forget those things. folytopo posted:They also recently announced a safe supply initiative so that is pretty novel and progressive for Canada. This I will believe when I see it actually put into action. People, including Bonnie, have been calling for safe supply for a while. We have iOAT programs but they have very limited space and a bunch of persistent problems that aren't being addressed. Goosed it. fucked around with this message at 21:12 on Jul 27, 2021 |
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Jul 27, 2021 21:10
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Alctel posted:The problem with the BCNDP is that they are kind of lovely but the BCLiberals are maybe the shittiest provincial party to ever exist (or at least the most corrupt). Oh before the BCNDP took power we knew that Libs were just the worst. We don't miss them at all. It's just that the BCNDP has not been the breath of fresh air we hoped for. We know that some things are plain better but with her being a teacher it's basically just hitting home that some things just never change.
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Jul 27, 2021 21:38
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So BC and Alberta numbers are going back up again?
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Jul 27, 2021 23:42
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Alctel posted:Just off the top of my head: Good list. Another significant one is: * Made big investments in public transit & created a de-politicized, pro-transit culture The BC Liberals did get public transit built during their time in office (Canada Line and Evergreen Line) but it was constant politicized shenanigans, with the Liberals being on the fence about will it get built or not, not funding it properly and demanding municipalities pony up more money. Unbelievably eventually putting further transit funding to a referendum (that failed!). (As an aside: Highways never went through such a challenging process) The NDP in contrast have made public transit investment boring and not that much of a political issue. It simply gets funded and there's a big road map of what is eventually going to get built. All expectations are that it'll get funded. It's a much, much healthier atmosphere.
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Jul 28, 2021 00:30
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Honestly, the BCNDP are competent and seemingly non-corrupt neoliberal managers. If people were expecting a revolutionary outcome, they were going to be disappointed. I for one can no longer stand how they treat Indigenous people and the environment. But shamefully for me, the nail in the coffin for Horgan was when he blamed the youth for Covid with no proof. I’m not a green fan, but Firstenau seems like a good protest vote and if the local candidate isn’t an anti-wifi nimby Tesla homeopathic loser, they get my vote. Does anyone know why the Ecosocialists didn’t field a single candidate? Did their poo poo implode?
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Jul 28, 2021 01:05
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ARACHTION posted:Honestly, the BCNDP are competent and seemingly non-corrupt neoliberal managers. If people were expecting a revolutionary outcome, they were going to be disappointed. I thought they merged with the greens a ways back? Arcsquad12 posted:So BC and Alberta numbers are going back up again? BC's upswing is mainly the interior so far, but I don't like how flat coastal and Fraser are GonadTheBallbarian fucked around with this message at 01:20 on Jul 28, 2021 |
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Jul 28, 2021 01:17
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Arcsquad12 posted:So BC and Alberta numbers are going back up again? It's a combination of factors. First of all, BC and Ablerta are zeroing in on their vaccination opt-in ceilings. Luckily, that seems to be in the 60-70% area, which is a really good place to top out at, at least in comparison to the states. Secondly, it's the Delta variant that's driving numbers now, and it is ripping through the unvaccinated like a rocket-powered buzz saw right now. So numbers are rising all over the world right now thanks to that. We're still doing quite well in comparison to basically anywhere else in the world thanks to our vaccine rollout finally getting off its rear end and ramping up, but yeah this is still far from a good thing.
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Jul 28, 2021 01:18
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https://globalnews.ca/news/8053232/otoole-supporters-party-insiders-taxpayer-funded-contracts/ Missed this from a couple days ago. O'Toole gave nearly a quarter million dollars worth of taxpayer funded contracts to conservative insiders in the first six months of being opposition leader. Also, his deputy chief of staff is named Outhouse, which makes me wonder if there was more to O'Toole's portapotty gaffe than we initially believed. Arc Hammer fucked around with this message at 01:36 on Jul 28, 2021 |
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Jul 28, 2021 01:24
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ARACHTION posted:Honestly, the BCNDP are competent and seemingly non-corrupt neoliberal managers. If people were expecting a revolutionary outcome, they were going to be disappointed. I work for the BC gov and there is actually a big effort towards reconciliation* with Indigenous people and a bunch of programs, a ton of resources put into mental health targeting youth and Indigenous people, a big push for decent connections to reserves, the justice system is basically trying not to imprison any Indigenous people at all and a bunch of other completely random stuff (for example the hunting license course/exam, CORE, now includes an entire chapter on First Nations and their rights) In my ministry they started having a weekly workshop where everyone gathered and listened to an Indigenous elder talk about residential schools and discussed their experience with first nations and the stereotypes they had growing up (they had to pause it for a few weeks as it was traumatising the poo poo outta people but points for trying I guess) The greens are an extremely riding by riding party, I actually voted for the Green candidate in Victoria last year as they were a self-described eco-socialist and seemed switched on but a ton of the candidates are either actual crazy people, rich people with Telsas or a both. The fact that Andrew Weaver was basically Horgan but More So didn't really help, Firstenau is way better. *of course the massive, MASSIVE asterisk is that all that is forgotten as soon as it conflicts with any kind of resource development, then indigenous people can get hosed and as you said, they are just generally loving appalling on the environment generally Alctel fucked around with this message at 01:45 on Jul 28, 2021 |
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Jul 28, 2021 01:42
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Goosed it. posted:What are the good things? Genuinely curious. In addition to what's been said they raised the disability benefits from basically unlivable to barely livable. Then increased them again at the start of the pandemic, albeit a bit over half that increase was temporary, but it's still higher than it was. They still need to create some sort of scheduled increase/peg it to inflation. But it's a start. Also increased the max assets someone on PWD can have without losing benefits from 5k to 100k. So it's actually possible to, like, save up for something now. And greatly decreased the needless complexity on how much extra you can earn per month before losing benefits, mostly by making it per year instead so a single high earning month wont gently caress with your benefits. Anyone on PWD is doing a lot better under the BCNDP than we were under the Liberals.
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Jul 28, 2021 02:19
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Femtosecond posted:The NDP in contrast have made public transit investment boring and not that much of a political issue. It simply gets funded and there's a big road map of what is eventually going to get built.
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Jul 28, 2021 02:57
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I caught Jason Kenney on the news talking about the alarm at the rising cases in Alberta (a few weeks after the stampede, how about that...) and I had to laugh at his comments. His big concern now is for the 10% of seniors who haven't received their vaccines yet but he's hesitant to implement more restrictions because he says the science doesn't support more lockdowns that hurt businesses. I make jokes about Horgan throwing up his arms about dead seniors in a heat wave and then Kenney just comes out and makes a contradictory statement sharing his concern for the elderly before immediately saying gently caress them economy go up.
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Jul 28, 2021 20:59
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ARACHTION posted:Honestly, the BCNDP are competent and seemingly non-corrupt neoliberal managers. If people were expecting a revolutionary outcome, they were going to be disappointed. Better be careful with that or you'll end up with an av like mine 
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Jul 28, 2021 21:35
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Arcsquad12 posted:I caught Jason Kenney on the news talking about the alarm at the rising cases in Alberta (a few weeks after the stampede, how about that...) and I had to laugh at his comments. His big concern now is for the 10% of seniors who haven't received their vaccines yet but he's hesitant to implement more restrictions because he says the science doesn't support more lockdowns that hurt businesses. When the Calgary city council voted to extend the mask mandate a full 4 days after the province lifted all restrictions he mockingly said "sounds like we've got a bunch of experts on the Delta variant over there." Nice soundbite. Edit: Lol they're going to stop enforcing quarantine for positive cases Cacator fucked around with this message at 22:40 on Jul 28, 2021 |
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Jul 28, 2021 22:06
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Cacator posted:When the Calgary city council voted to extend the mask mandate a full 4 days after the province lifted all restrictions he mockingly said "sounds like we've got a bunch of experts on the Delta variant over there." Nice soundbite. We're so, so hosed.
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Jul 28, 2021 22:44
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PT6A posted:We're so, so hosed. I may frequently disagree with your politics but please stay safe. Your premier is literally trying to kill you. 
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Jul 28, 2021 23:40
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https://twitter.com/CMOH_Alberta/status/1420514195204833284?s=20 https://twitter.com/CMOH_Alberta/status/1420514203245244416?s=20 Covid isn't over but gently caress you we're tired and we don't want to keep contact tracers around anymore. Anyways get hosed people who can't afford a car and can't get vaccinated, also I'm sure there are no long-lasting impacts for those kids who can't get vaccinated.
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Jul 29, 2021 00:36
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can alberta seceed already please
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Jul 29, 2021 00:46
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This is a full list of changes, what the gently caress Alberta https://twitter.com/jenleecbc/status/1420502800702844932?s=21
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Jul 29, 2021 01:31
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I love the line "all positive cases will continue to be contacted." What is the alternative? Not telling people their test results? This is really telling about what level of smooth brain they are operating on here.
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Jul 29, 2021 01:33
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Lmao this is never going to end because loving morons still won't accept that we can't half rear end our way out of this.
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