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Splicer posted:Eventually. You don't live very long with a massive hole in your chest.
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Sunswipe posted:You don't live very long with a massive hole in your chest. But you do with a hole in your heart. 
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Jul 26, 2021 20:20
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Sam Leary : How long do you think someone can live after you've cut out their heart? Frank Castle : A long... time. And now I need to watch The Punisher again.
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Jul 26, 2021 20:25
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BattleMaster posted:I kind of figured that the layer of light above the eggs that Kane comments on reacting to him when he broke it was part of a preservation system that kept the eggs fresh for the trip, and had remained functioning even after the crash. Of course, who knows how long the alien lifecycle even is - the vacuum of space doesn't bother them so maybe they don't even die of old age! I've always assumed the "eggs" weren't just containers but were actually alive to a certain extent, sort of like a pine cone, and like plant seeds they can choose to go dormant when there's no chance of successful reproduction. The facehuggers are an integral part of the egg itself, not a creature growing inside a shell.
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Jul 26, 2021 20:36
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Sunswipe posted:You don't live very long with a massive hole in your chest.
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Jul 26, 2021 21:10
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Yeah, IDK about this line of thought, it smells of fanfiction retcon attempt. Everything we've seen in-universe (barring one or two characters in comics) suggests that one single chestburster implantation and hatching is pretty final for the victim. It's not even really clear how chestbursters parasitically use their hosts' bodies to mature, since victims we've seen in the films (most notably Kane) seem relatively fine for the brief period of time between implantation and hatching... until they're suddenly very much not fine. But I imagine a pre-cracked-open chest cavity wouldn't make a great home for an embryo either way. I don't think the resin used to construct hives has any sort of life-support qualities either, it's just there to bind victims for as long as it takes to implant them. The simpler explanation (158 colonists plus farm animals and pets) still allows for plenty more drones than what we see onscreen in Aliens, IMO.BattleMaster posted:I kind of figured that the layer of light above the eggs that Kane comments on reacting to him when he broke it was part of a preservation system that kept the eggs fresh for the trip, and had remained functioning even after the crash. Of course, who knows how long the alien lifecycle even is - the vacuum of space doesn't bother them so maybe they don't even die of old age! Again, I think a lot of this (especially the xeno lifecycle stuff) really comes down to how much stock you put into Old Man Ridley's prequels as canon in the Alien universe. I could be wrong but I thought I read somewhere that Scott didn't even like the 'bees in a hive with a queen' interpretation that Aliens applied to the franchise. This grumpy "my franchise" turnaround seems to track with the 'engineered bioweapon' angle - note the visual similarity between the eggs on the derelict ship and the urns of black goo in the other Engineer ship's hold... or the Giger architecture actually being Engineer design and not the secretions and insectoid construction of the xenomorphs. So are the eggs preserved by the blue light, intentionally by the Engineers as a bioweapon, or (I like this better) is it Vincent Van Goatse's pinecone idea that they can just lay dormant indefinitely? Before Prometheus came along to explain everything that didn't need explanation, the scariest thing was that nobody had a real answer. Mister Speaker fucked around with this message at 21:45 on Jul 26, 2021 |
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Jul 26, 2021 21:40
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Mister Speaker posted:Before Prometheus came along to explain everything that didn't need explanation is this too long to be a thread subtitle?
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Jul 26, 2021 22:47
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Mister Speaker posted:The simpler explanation (158 colonists plus farm animals and pets) still allows for plenty more drones than what we see onscreen in Aliens, IMO. 157 colonists  (It's 158 if you include Newt)Pretty sure sure if Hadley's Hope didn't have farm animals. It wasn't an agricultural colony, LV-426 is a barely breathable barren world and the colonists were there to support the terraformer, along with W-Y administration and mining prospectors.
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Also worth noting that all the Aliens save a few “Royal guards” defending the Queen were assaulting Ops to get at the Marines, and then the surviving Marines hopped on a dropship and flew to the Queen, likely faster than any remaining Aliens could have made it on foot.
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Jul 27, 2021 03:59
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:I've always assumed the "eggs" weren't just containers but were actually alive to a certain extent, sort of like a pine cone, and like plant seeds they can choose to go dormant when there's no chance of successful reproduction. The facehuggers are an integral part of the egg itself, not a creature growing inside a shell. Mister Speaker posted:Again, I think a lot of this (especially the xeno lifecycle stuff) really comes down to how much stock you put into Old Man Ridley's prequels as canon in the Alien universe. I could be wrong but I thought I read somewhere that Scott didn't even like the 'bees in a hive with a queen' interpretation that Aliens applied to the franchise. This grumpy "my franchise" turnaround seems to track with the 'engineered bioweapon' angle - note the visual similarity between the eggs on the derelict ship and the urns of black goo in the other Engineer ship's hold... or the Giger architecture actually being Engineer design and not the secretions and insectoid construction of the xenomorphs. So are the eggs preserved by the blue light, intentionally by the Engineers as a bioweapon, or (I like this better) is it Vincent Van Goatse's pinecone idea that they can just lay dormant indefinitely? Before Prometheus came along to explain everything that didn't need explanation, the scariest thing was that nobody had a real answer. Another idea is that if the eggs can stay dormant an incredibly long time, then the blue light was actually part of an alarm system that didn't do the crew any good in the end. I'm okay with this stuff not having any spelled-out answers because the speculation is fun. Xenomrph posted:Also worth noting that all the Aliens save a few “Royal guards” defending the Queen were assaulting Ops to get at the Marines, and then the surviving Marines hopped on a dropship and flew to the Queen, likely faster than any remaining Aliens could have made it on foot. On the topic of the large distance between the colony and the atmosphere processor. In the movie it isn't exactly shown where - relative to the colony or atmosphere processor - the dropship was landed when it was called in for evac. The "Alien: The Blueprints" book shows that the closest thing to what we saw in the movie was a landing pad at the main colony. I had originally just assumed that the alien that took out the dropship was one that was riled up during the attack on the hive. But it seems more likely that there must have been some lurking around the main colony - they mostly come out at night... mostly - and one of those must have found an opportunity to attack. Which makes me wonder if even when the marines were securing the place there were aliens keeping their distance waiting for a moment when they could catch someone alone. If any aliens went back to the hive to find help, they may not have had enough time to reach the place before the APC , assisted by the dropship, did.
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Jul 27, 2021 04:34
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BattleMaster posted:Another idea is that if the eggs can stay dormant an incredibly long time, then the blue light was actually part of an alarm system that didn't do the crew any good in the end. I'm okay with this stuff not having any spelled-out answers because the speculation is fun. This is what I feel about most fiction of any type. Books included. Although I'm not a huge fan of speculation. I'm just more of a "if the author/writer/director doesn't tell us, then it doesn't matter because we'll never know the truth." Not with everything though. Like the blue light egg speculation ideas is a fine discussion for me.
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Look, once you've had one chestburster pop out, if you get implanted with another one it just sort of falls out and doesn't develop. Because it's on the floor.
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Jul 27, 2021 06:59
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Pennywise the Frown posted:This is what I feel about most fiction of any type. Books included. Although I'm not a huge fan of speculation. I'm just more of a "if the author/writer/director doesn't tell us, then it doesn't matter because we'll never know the truth." I reacted on Ridley Scott talking about being surprised and amazed that no one ever asked who the space jockey was in this making of Prometheus: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBxT0zgYMQ4&t=175s I can kind of understand but I feel like when you see mysterious things like this in movies you ask yourself "oh man, what could that be?" but you don't really want to know. Like in The Thing when they go to the other camp to check on the
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That's a huge problem I have with prequels. We don't need to know absolutely everything that happened! Leave some mystery to our imaginations!
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Jul 27, 2021 15:57
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mllaneza posted:Look, once you've had one chestburster pop out, if you get implanted with another one it just sort of falls out and doesn't develop. Because it's on the floor. I'm picturing the "dunce" facehuggers just jumping on the nearest human face they see, without ever wondering why they also had a big ol' bloody hole in their chest.
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Jul 27, 2021 17:20
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Sydney Bottocks posted:I'm picturing the "dunce" facehuggers just jumping on the nearest human face they see, without ever wondering why they also had a big ol' bloody hole in their chest. Pitch for a new Far Side panel. “Brian! I told you to look before you leap, but nooooooo”.
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Jul 27, 2021 17:26
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I figured the remains of humans utilized for implanting eggs were used to build the hive. Or for the xenomorphs to eat.
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Jul 27, 2021 18:00
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Android Apocalypse posted:
Do the xenomorhps even eat?
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Basic biology makes me surmise that an animal needs nutrient intake of some sort to grow. I figured with things like a mouth & teeth that a xenomorph "eats." Then again, those tubes out of its back could be some weird energy-collecting thing like how a plant uses leaves to gather sunlight. Maybe xwnomorphs are mobile plants?
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Jul 27, 2021 18:47
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Fish of hemp posted:Do the xenomorhps even eat? The novelization for Alien has a passage where the young xeno has eaten most of the rations in the food locker.
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I thought I read somewhere that the (in universe) assumption that the way they worked is that they were essentially living batteries (since, y'know, they hadn't had much chance to get a hold of one to see how it ticks...). They were chock-full of battery acid and just needed light/heat/some kind of energy to get the cycle started, and if they didn't have it they would run out and hibernate until they charged back up again. They didn't really need to eat, as much as get resources to make their outer carapace and then they were essentially good. Another thing that comes to mind is a foggy memory of an Alien script draft where Brett finds some poo poo like cables with the insulation stripped off that the Alien ate because it needed whatever to grow. Given how long I have had that head canon, I am guessing that I likely got it from some old-rear end Dark Horse Aliens comic since there was gently caress all other media out other than the movies. Tinkin' 'bout dem ding-dong Aleens (an' how dey work...)
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Apropos to the conversation, I've been listening to Aliens: Bug Hunt, an anthology style book with various stories set in the Alien universe. I don't know if it's considered canon or whatever, but there's some background info/answers to questions no one asked. It has a Star Wars EU vibe of "everything and everyone needs a backstory". I haven't experienced much Alien fiction outside the movies, so maybe that's standard. Anyway here's a list of some things in the book: Bishop being activated for the first time, he is "special"/has emotions, also Hudson taught him the knife trick Hicks has a tragic story concerning his wife who was another marine There was some kind of love triangle between Hudson, Dietrick, and some other guy Frost and Dietrick had an adventure involving some kind of space insect that attaches to a host and lays eggs in them, lol. Afterwards Dietrick says "if I ever have to fight those things again, I'm bringing a flamethrower!  Carter Burke backstory which I have to admit I did find interesting Regarding how eggs function, One of the stories is told from the perspective of the xenomorphs, and the eggs are not considered alive, but react to a few different stimuli, such as carbon dioxide being expelled by potential hosts. Furthermore, as far as food is concerned, a queen hocks a loogie into the mouth of a baby queen because she desperately needs nutrition to grow. It also says if alone, a queen will eat anything she can, but in a controlled hive, she will be given special nutrition to help her grow as fast as possible, reaching adult size in less than a week. There's some outright wacky stuff in the book too like a dude who was experimented upon by a drug company, and when in danger he hulks out. As in, he grown huge, his skin turns red colored, he grows spikes and becomes super strong. This stuff really isn't my cup of tea so I've been playing the audiobook in the background as I do other things. I'm sure I've missed a ton of details but whatever. I've discovered I prefer Alien content to be more "serious" rather than pulpy
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The old Dark Horse/Bantam EU didn’t explain a whole lot, or when they did it ended up being irrelevant (or incorrect) bullshit meant to distract the characters, and the over-explanation was intentional and kind of the point. What I’m saying is that Aliens: Labyrinth is a really good comic and everyone should read it. Xenomrph fucked around with this message at 01:47 on Jul 28, 2021 |
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WHY BONER NOW posted:I've been listening to Aliens: Bug Hunt I'm listening to that now too! So I didn't read your spoilers. Although I'm listening on a 45 minute trip to Milwaukee on the interstate and I have bad anxiety and am hypervigilant so it's hard to pay attention. I'll be listening to the third story tomorrow. That or NPR. I'm boring.
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Xenomrph posted:The old Dark Horse/Bantam EU didn’t explain a whole lot, or when they did it ended up being irrelevant (or incorrect) bullshit meant to distract the characters, and the over-explanation was intentional and kind of the point. Was it you who sent me Labyrinth? I remember reading it and not liking it but I was drunk and I generally don't pay attention very well when I'm lying down in bed late at night drunk reading. I just found it on my bookshelf and put it next to my bed. I'll read that again soon... sober.
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Jul 28, 2021 02:14
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I've been assembling plastic aliens from the boardgame. Thinking about aliens as I'm building aliens.
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Pennywise the Frown posted:I'm listening to that now too! So I didn't read your spoilers. Although I'm listening on a 45 minute trip to Milwaukee on the interstate and I have bad anxiety and am hypervigilant so it's hard to pay attention. I'll be listening to the third story tomorrow. Report in after you've finished it!
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WHY BONER NOW posted:Report in after you've finished it! I listened to the second one on the way home yesterday and the only part I really remember is the guy getting eaten by the bugs instantly and his shoulder pads falling to the ground without his body there and his belt buckle being highly polished lol.
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Xenomrph posted:The old Dark Horse/Bantam EU didn’t explain a whole lot, or when they did it ended up being irrelevant (or incorrect) bullshit meant to distract the characters, and the over-explanation was intentional and kind of the point. I recently got most of the Alien Omnibus novelizations (not the comics): Aliens Omnibus: Volume 1 - Earth Hive - Nightmare Asylum - The Female War Aliens Omnibus: Volume 2 - Genocide - Alien Harvest Aliens Omnibus: Volume 3 - Rogue - Labyrinth Aliens Omnibus: Volume 4 - Music of the Spears - Berserker Aliens Omnibus: Volume 6 - Cauldron - Steel Egg Aliens Omnibus: Volume 7 - Criminal Enterprise - No Exit I'd already read all of the ones in Vol.1 a while back, so I started in with Genocide. Which had a couple of moments, but was not great. I think i will skip up to Labyrinth next. I've read most of this stuff in comic book form in years past, I just wanted to check out the novelizations, because I had recently read the Cold Forge, and Out of the Shadows/Sea of Sorrow/River of Pain
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Just wanted to reiterate that this thread is a breath of fresh air compared to the one in CineD Keep thinking about those Aliens, folks 
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There is a new Alien board game coming out next week: https://bloody-disgusting.com/toys/3662176/board-game-alien-fate-nostromo-will-let-play-events-original-movie/
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Xenomrph posted:
The Best Comic. Re: food chat, if memory serves it shows that xenos are especially fond of pig to the point where one 'practically swims in it' but will get a tummyache if allowed to gorge.
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Pennywise the Frown posted:That's a huge problem I have with prequels. We don't need to know absolutely everything that happened! Leave some mystery to our imaginations! I agree with this 100%. Some things are better left to the imagination. I don't give a single care about "Space Jockeys", Xeno origins, evolutionary precursors to the Alien/Aliens style Xenos or any of that. I for one, am totally fine with just leaving it at, "No one knows where they came from, how long they've been around, precisely how they work, or exactly where they all are. All we know is that they are out there, they are lethal, and they're just waiting for fresh meat to stumble upon them." That's all the background I need, and it also nods to the fact that despite the fact that man has figured out how to travel between planets, and solar systems, and beyond, we still have no idea what horrors lurk in the unknown. Similar to how even in 2021, we're still finding new forms of life in the depths of the ocean, just on a much grander scale. You could think that Xenomorphs are at the top of the galactic food chain, so to speak, but it's equally plausible that there's something even more unimaginably horrible and deadly above them. And even with all our knowledge, technology and other advancements, we are still comparatively frail, weak, vulnerable and helpless.
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Pennywise the Frown posted:That's a huge problem I have with prequels. We don't need to know absolutely everything that happened! Leave some mystery to our imaginations! Has there ever been a good prequel? Temple of Doom is the best I can come up with, and most people fuckin hate that movie.
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Watched predator 2 the other night then the next day watched aliens vs predator and AvP:requiem back to back. Fell asleep during requiem. Still thinking about them aliens(and predators)
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I much prefer AvP to the sequel, but it at least gets an extra star for a gnarly kid death.
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SilvergunSuperman posted:Has there ever been a good prequel? I’m a fan of ‘The Thing’ prequel, it doesn’t really “explain” a whole lot and instead is just its own little story that happens to be set before the Carpenter movie.
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Ooh good one, I actually like that movie quite a bit too but that opinion'll get your rear end kicked 'round hea. Yea yea it sucks they went so hard on the CG, but the skull melding part is legit horrifying.
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Jay_Zombie posted:I agree with this 100%. In his book "Danse Macabre", during the section about Lovecraft's influence on horror, Stephen King opined that he felt "Alien" was a perfect example of Lovecraftian horror (just with man finally going to the Elder Gods rather than summoning them to us), and precisely for the reason you mentioned: we didn't know anything about the alien, or where the eggs came from, or the Space Jockey, or any of it. All we knew was that there were deadly, unspeakable horrors lurking in the depths of space, that didn't care one bit about humanity or its place in the universe.
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Xenomrph posted:I’m a fan of ‘The Thing’ prequel, it doesn’t really “explain” a whole lot and instead is just its own little story that happens to be set before the Carpenter movie.
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