Scarodactyl posted:

I'll be honest, at this point I'd probably consider trying to bribe someone or whatever to get my kids vaccinated if I had any.
After the obviously fraudulent aducanumab approval their failure to properly accelerate granting full approval for the vaccines in adults and euas for kids is really grating.

Another Bill posted:

I'm really hoping Canada doesn't follow the FDA and approves earlier. We did that in December 2020 iirc, and again in May for the 12-18 year olds.

Ontario has about 1.1 million 6-12 year olds going back to class in 5 weeks and right now the government won't even commit to a mask mandate.

I'm an anxious loving mess.

Scam Likely posted:

If anyone wants a window into the mind of a "stick it to the man, dont trust big gov, be a punk rocker" anti-vaxxer, here ya go.

vandalism posted:

I think what vindicates many people's choice to continue not to get vaccinated is the cacophony of "WELL DIE THEN HAHA ENJOY DYING" from people who are virtue signaling hard with their vaccinated status. It's almost like people really believe there is a dichotomy of vaccine or death.

And now we are seeing goal posts moving from "nobody vaccinated will get sick" to "you might get covid but you won't get symptoms" to "you won't be hospitalized" to "you won't die" and now to "you have less of a chance of dying". The delta variant is not really even part of the equation.

Now people are blaming those vaccinated for the delta variant. So I guess people who don't get the flu shot are to blame for yearly versions of the flu? If the vaccine doesn't prevent people from getting or spreading it, how does it prevent mutation? Wouldn't a virus have to be hardier to actually "break through" a vaccinated person's immune system? And isn't this virus more likely to travel, as a person is less likely to die or be incapacitated or wear a mask?

People who question the beloved science, the settled facts, get ostracized. Even vaccinated and pro vaccine people are labeled as terrible things for merely seeking help for their side effects from covid vaccines. It is all quite delicious.

7of7 posted:

Something about this way of demonstrating vaccine effectiveness just rubs me the wrong way. It doesn't seem to disentangle the effectiveness of vaccines from the baseline chance of getting symptomatic COVID for a given person.

To be more accurate it seems like it would have to compare .098% to the percentage of non-vaccinated people who got symptomatic COVID somehow controlling for the significant regional differences in COVID prevalence and vaccine uptake.

Comfy Fleece Sweater posted:

learnincurve posted:

If there is a sign somewhere that says “children are not just tiny adults” then picture me tapping it.

7of7 posted:

Something about this way of demonstrating vaccine effectiveness just rubs me the wrong way. It doesn't seem to disentangle the effectiveness of vaccines from the baseline chance of getting symptomatic COVID for a given person.

To be more accurate it seems like it would have to compare .098% to the percentage of non-vaccinated people who got symptomatic COVID somehow controlling for the significant regional differences in COVID prevalence and vaccine uptake.

vandalism posted:

I think what vindicates many people's choice to continue not to get vaccinated is the cacophony of "WELL DIE THEN HAHA ENJOY DYING" from people who are virtue signaling hard with their vaccinated status. It's almost like people really believe there is a dichotomy of vaccine or death.

And now we are seeing goal posts moving from "nobody vaccinated will get sick" to "you might get covid but you won't get symptoms" to "you won't be hospitalized" to "you won't die" and now to "you have less of a chance of dying". The delta variant is not really even part of the equation.

Now people are blaming those vaccinated for the delta variant. So I guess people who don't get the flu shot are to blame for yearly versions of the flu? If the vaccine doesn't prevent people from getting or spreading it, how does it prevent mutation? Wouldn't a virus have to be hardier to actually "break through" a vaccinated person's immune system? And isn't this virus more likely to travel, as a person is less likely to die or be incapacitated or wear a mask?

People who question the beloved science, the settled facts, get ostracized. Even vaccinated and pro vaccine people are labeled as terrible things for merely seeking help for their side effects from covid vaccines. It is all quite delicious.

Scam Likely posted:

I worked next to a coworker all day before she tested positive for Covid. We've been good about the distancing and masking so I've tested negative since then despite having lunch near her the day before she quarantined. She just got back today, said it felt unpleasant but mild since she's vaccinated. So far shes the only one it hit, first breakthrough case I've known personally. Makes me glad they caught it and she could rotate out before it really hit her. Two weeks later and so far nobody else has tested positive on our 25 person crew.

roomtone posted:

I don't think some people being annoying and saying haha well die vindicates anything. That's just idiotic point scoring on something that is a lot more important than who is getting owned, but you seem to be preoccupied with that going by the rest of your post, and maybe a bit anti-vax in general. Do you think the vaccines are helping or not? That's all that matters. It seems irrefutable that they are, to me.

This is a worldwide thing that everyone is aware of and has an opinion about, so obviously next to none of them are worth listening to and you waste your time by trudging around in it.

vandalism posted:

I am not anti vaccine. I am vaccinated from birth. If I had kids, they would have been as well. I am not even anti covid vaccine, assuming a person falls under the correct parameters to receive an emergency vaccine with no long-term testing.

People who have underlying conditions should definitely have the option to get the covid vaccine. There should definitely be an option for everyone to have it.

I am grossly concerned with the entire population being pressured into taking an emergency vaccine that they may or may not really need or benefit from. People who have already had it probably don't need it, and in fact my buddy had it and was told by his doctor to not get the vaccine. One guy I know got covid and then got vaccinated and had terrible side effects. Some people have side effects that haven't gone away.

Sure, they may have gotten some lasting side effects from covid... but then again they may not have. They may not have even gotten covid.

The point that I am making is that the vaccine is not a one-size fits all solution. Other possibly helpful solutions such as ivermectin are being buried because it is cheap, generic, and can't make the big pharma companies a shitload of money.

Next time you think pharmaceutical companies have your best interest in mind, remember that bayer sold hiv infected medication to third world countries because they knew that they could get away with it.

vandalism posted:

The point that I am making is that the vaccine is not a one-size fits all solution. Other possibly helpful solutions such as ivermectin are being buried because it is cheap, generic, and can't make the big pharma companies a shitload of money.

Mozi posted:

no, gently caress you. get the loving vaccine you utter moron, and stop taking horse wormer pills

vandalism posted:

I am not anti vaccine. I am vaccinated from birth. If I had kids, they would have been as well. I am not even anti covid vaccine, assuming a person falls under the correct parameters to receive an emergency vaccine with no long-term testing.

People who have underlying conditions should definitely have the option to get the covid vaccine. There should definitely be an option for everyone to have it.

I am grossly concerned with the entire population being pressured into taking an emergency vaccine that they may or may not really need or benefit from. People who have already had covid might not need it. Some vaccinated people have side effects from the vaccine that haven't gone away.

Sure, they may have gotten some lasting side effects from covid... but then again they may not have. They may not have even gotten covid.

The point that I am making is that the vaccine is not a one-size fits all solution. Other possibly helpful solutions such as ivermectin are being buried because it is cheap, generic, and can't make the big pharma companies a shitload of money.

Next time you think pharmaceutical companies have your best interest in mind, remember that bayer sold hiv infected medication to third world countries because they knew that they could get away with it.

vandalism posted:

The science is settled, though.

https://www.ketv.com/article/omaha-doctor-touts-use-of-ivermectin-for-covid-19-treatment/37148651

explosivo posted:

Imagine being such a thin skinned bitch that you refuse to wear an uncomfortable piece of fabric on your face for the good of your country because someone you were told to hate said you should

vandalism posted:

The science is settled, though.
https://www.ketv.com/article/omaha-doctor-touts-use-of-ivermectin-for-covid-19-treatment/37148651

quote:

He says he's treated nearly 200 patients at home and in hospitals using Ivermectin and a number of other treatments.

vandalism posted:

I really want a covid vaccine cock ring. Not vaccinated by the way.

vandalism posted:

I am not anti vaccine. I am vaccinated from birth. If I had kids, they would have been as well. I am not even anti covid vaccine, assuming a person falls under the correct parameters to receive an emergency vaccine with no long-term testing.

People who have underlying conditions should definitely have the option to get the covid vaccine. There should definitely be an option for everyone to have it.

I am grossly concerned with the entire population being pressured into taking an emergency vaccine that they may or may not really need or benefit from. People who have already had covid might not need it. Some vaccinated people have side effects from the vaccine that haven't gone away.

Sure, they may have gotten some lasting side effects from covid... but then again they may not have. They may not have even gotten covid.

The point that I am making is that the vaccine is not a one-size fits all solution. Other possibly helpful solutions such as ivermectin are being buried because it is cheap, generic, and can't make the big pharma companies a shitload of money.

Next time you think pharmaceutical companies have your best interest in mind, remember that bayer sold hiv infected medication to third world countries because they knew that they could get away with it.

vandalism posted:

I am not anti vaccine. I am vaccinated from birth. If I had kids, they would have been as well. I am not even anti covid vaccine, assuming a person falls under the correct parameters to receive an emergency vaccine with no long-term testing.

People who have underlying conditions should definitely have the option to get the covid vaccine. There should definitely be an option for everyone to have it.

I am grossly concerned with the entire population being pressured into taking an emergency vaccine that they may or may not really need or benefit from. People who have already had covid might not need it. Some vaccinated people have side effects from the vaccine that haven't gone away.

Sure, they may have gotten some lasting side effects from covid... but then again they may not have. They may not have even gotten covid.

The point that I am making is that the vaccine is not a one-size fits all solution. Other possibly helpful solutions such as ivermectin are being buried because it is cheap, generic, and can't make the big pharma companies a shitload of money.

Next time you think pharmaceutical companies have your best interest in mind, remember that bayer sold hiv infected medication to third world countries because they knew that they could get away with it.

vandalism posted:

I am not anti vaccine. I am vaccinated from birth. If I had kids, they would have been as well. I am not even anti covid vaccine, assuming a person falls under the correct parameters to receive an emergency vaccine with no long-term testing.

People who have underlying conditions should definitely have the option to get the covid vaccine. There should definitely be an option for everyone to have it.

I am grossly concerned with the entire population being pressured into taking an emergency vaccine that they may or may not really need or benefit from. People who have already had covid might not need it. Some vaccinated people have side effects from the vaccine that haven't gone away.

Sure, they may have gotten some lasting side effects from covid... but then again they may not have. They may not have even gotten covid.

The point that I am making is that the vaccine is not a one-size fits all solution. Other possibly helpful solutions such as ivermectin are being buried because it is cheap, generic, and can't make the big pharma companies a shitload of money.

Next time you think pharmaceutical companies have your best interest in mind, remember that bayer sold hiv infected medication to third world countries because they knew that they could get away with it.

quote:

Ivermectin, sold under the brand name Stromectol among others, is a medication that is used to treat parasite infestations. In humans, this includes head lice, scabies, river blindness, strongyloidiasis, trichuriasis, ascariasis, and lymphatic filariasis.

Another Bill posted:

Yeah these things are just like COVID right? lol

quote:

In vitro, ivermectin has antiviral effects against several distinct positive-sense single-strand RNA viruses, including SARS-CoV-2.[111] Subsequent studies found that ivermectin could inhibit replication of SARS-CoV-2 in monkey kidney cell culture with an IC50 of 2.2–2.8 μM.[91][112] Based on this information, however, doses much higher than the maximum approved or safely achievable for use in humans would be required for an antiviral effect.[113][114] Aside from practical difficulties, such high doses are not covered by current human-use approvals of the drug and would be toxic, as the antiviral mechanism of action is considered to operate by the suppression of a host cellular process,[113] specifically the inhibition of nuclear transport by importin α/β1.[115] Therefore, the rationale for the clinical evaluation of ivermectin in COVID-19 seems insufficient.[116] Self-medication with a highly concentrated formula intended for horses has led to numerous hospitalizations, and overdose can lead to death, possibly due to interaction with other medications.

Snowglobe of Doom posted:

How the gently caress have you people been members of this site for between 10 to 18 years and you're still getting triggered by a driveby shitposter

Schmeichy posted:

Congrats! Unfortunately in my and my family's experience the day after the second shot sucked rear end. I'd call out of work if I was you.

vandalism posted:

I am grossly concerned with the entire population being pressured into taking an emergency vaccine that they may or may not really need or benefit from. People who have already had covid might not need it. Some vaccinated people have side effects from the vaccine that haven't gone away.