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Lowen SoDium posted:This is the board I have for my home server. But I bought it refurbed for $180 off of eBay. It is a good board, feature wise. out of curiosity, have you tried using ECC UDIMMs on it, and have you verified that it comes up in linux as reporting ECC support? the predecessor to this board was one that someone here on SA reported that while it was booting with ECC sticks, it wasn't showing as actually having correction capabilities enabled. Obviously maybe they were doing something wrong - it is bizarre that a server-segment board that advertises ECC as a feature, wouldn't actually do it.
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Paul MaudDib posted:out of curiosity, have you tried using ECC UDIMMs on it, and have you verified that it comes up in linux as reporting ECC support? the predecessor to this board was one that someone here on SA reported that while it was booting with ECC sticks, it wasn't showing as actually having correction capabilities enabled. Obviously maybe they were doing something wrong - it is bizarre that a server-segment board that advertises ECC as a feature, wouldn't actually do it. Yes, I am using ECC memory on it with a 3950x CPU. If this is accurate, then ECC is working: root@Unraid:~# dmidecode -t memory # dmidecode 3.3 Getting SMBIOS data from sysfs. SMBIOS 3.3.0 present. Handle 0x000D, DMI type 16, 23 bytes Physical Memory Array Location: System Board Or Motherboard Use: System Memory Error Correction Type: Multi-bit ECC Maximum Capacity: 128 GB Error Information Handle: 0x000C Number Of Devices: 4 If there is some other way of verifying that it is really ECC, let me know and I can try it.
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Jul 26, 2021 18:43
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Paul MaudDib posted:out of curiosity, have you tried using ECC UDIMMs on it, and have you verified that it comes up in linux as reporting ECC support? the predecessor to this board was one that someone here on SA reported that while it was booting with ECC sticks, it wasn't showing as actually having correction capabilities enabled. Obviously maybe they were doing something wrong - it is bizarre that a server-segment board that advertises ECC as a feature, wouldn't actually do it. The x470D4U? I have that one with ECC UDIMMs and multi-bit ECC is enabled.
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In "processor shortages are easing" news, I saw on reddit that Ryzen 5600 prices were normalized on mindfactory.de, so I checked micro center's website. Everything below the 5900 is once again available for web reservations (versus "come to the store and ask for it"), and is once again for sale below MSRP -- including the 3900 at $400, which I still think is a fantastic chip. I also noticed about a month ago that 3950s were gone from Amazon, Newegg, and Microcenter except for lovely 3rd party scalpers. They're still not back on Microcenter (haven't checked the others), so maybe production of those has actually ended and inventory is all sold through.
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Jul 27, 2021 16:12
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Yeah, the 5600x and 5800x have been below msrp in america for the last month too. The 5800x has been reduced in price to $400 in many stores which seems like a better price for that chip. It was always weird how the price gap between those two chips was bigger than the price gap between the 5800x and 5900x.
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Jul 27, 2021 23:10
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I've been eyeing the 5900x for a while now and it's "close enough" near MSRP for me now which is cool. I'm in the same boat as someone earlier that I have a 8700k and don't *need* to upgrade but I've started doing additional work on my PC and that "feels" like additional justification to make the switch. I *should* be able to keep the rest of my machine as is (just need the CPU and mobo) to help reduce the cost.
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Jul 27, 2021 23:43
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You probably want faster RAM if you don't already have at least 3200mhz stuff.
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Jul 28, 2021 06:14
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Gwaihir posted:You probably want faster RAM if you don't already have at least 3200mhz stuff. Already have 4x8gb 3200 Ripjaws so I think I should be okay. I was looking at some 3600 but I figure I could always swap that out at a later date.
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Jul 28, 2021 13:46
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If you already have 3200mhz I definitely wouldn't care about going higher. You could spend a lot of time tweaking but at the end of the day it probably wouldn't even be a perceptible difference.
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Jul 28, 2021 13:53
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Gwaihir posted:If you already have 3200mhz I definitely wouldn't care about going higher. You could spend a lot of time tweaking but at the end of the day it probably wouldn't even be a perceptible difference. the common advice is "anything at least 3000MHz is fine, 3200 was the sweet spot with the 3000 series but the 5000 series can appreciably justify up until 3600mhz". similarly, the common wisdom is also that the biggest gains are found with custom ram timings using the tool or similar, i've never gotten it to work tho.
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Jul 28, 2021 14:47
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Doh004 posted:Already have 4x8gb 3200 Ripjaws so I think I should be okay. I was looking at some 3600 but I figure I could always swap that out at a later date. Are those dual ran or single rank?
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Jul 28, 2021 15:15
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SourKraut posted:Are those dual ran or single rank? i still don't understand this despite watching the LTT video on it. it's a quality separate to the speed, timings and advertised capacity, loving somehow?
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Jul 28, 2021 15:37
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In yesterday's earnings call, Dr. Su said:quote:We remain on-track to launch next-generation products in 2022, including our Zen 4 processors built with industry-leading 5nm process technology and our RDNA 3 GPUs.
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SourKraut posted:Are those dual ran or single rank? I have no idea! I first ordered this ram back at the end of 2017/early 2018 so hopefully it's modern enough to be single rank? *edit* Our boy "Jack Poon" says it's single rank on Amazon so that must be true https://www.amazon.com/ask/questions/Tx3PWMFY74QMIWX/ref=ask_ql_ql_al_hza Doh004 fucked around with this message at 17:00 on Jul 28, 2021 |
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Jul 28, 2021 16:56
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CoolCab posted:i still don't understand this despite watching the LTT video on it. it's a quality separate to the speed, timings and advertised capacity, loving somehow? Believe it or not, this reddit post explains it well: https://www.reddit.com/r/hardware/comments/jq5rnw/amd_ryzen_4_vs_2_sticks_of_ram_on_r5_5600x_for_up/gbkx18u/ This single rank vs dual rank discussion came up after the Gamers Nexus video came out showing a 10% performance increase on Zen 3 under certain memory configs.
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Jul 28, 2021 18:16
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SourKraut posted:Are those dual ran or single rank? They're single rank. Dual rank 8GB sticks are rare and are never going to be advertised anyway. It's not going to matter to most users. CoolCab posted:i still don't understand this despite watching the LTT video on it. it's a quality separate to the speed, timings and advertised capacity, loving somehow? If you're thinking of the same LTT video I am, then that wasn't even about ranks really, but density or something. Here's a Buildzoid video on the topic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2bFzQTQ9aI
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Doesn't Ryzen take really well to faster ram speeds? When I bought my x470 board, 3600x, and ram back in 2019 I remember being upset learning a month later that 3200mhz ram was not the fastest DDR4 bc I heard that faster ram = more better with Ryzen. Also, I've heard some murmurings about the next intel platform containing DDR5 as standard but I'm not so sure it will be available that soon (I also know nothing this is just intuition). My suspicion is that Intel's marketing team is really just bringing every tool out of the shed. Any word on Zen 4 supporting DDR5?
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Jul 29, 2021 14:57
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Returns on merely faster ram out of the box become tiny after 3200 or so. If you get in to the weeds on subtimings and whatnot you can get a substantial uptick in performance, though I haven't seen any testing comparing optimized timings at different ram speeds so idk how slower vs faster ram compares if you take the effort.
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Jul 29, 2021 15:01
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Fantastic Foreskin posted:Returns on merely faster ram out of the box become tiny after 3200 or so. If you get in to the weeds on subtimings and whatnot you can get a substantial uptick in performance, though I haven't seen any testing comparing optimized timings at different ram speeds so idk how slower vs faster ram compares if you take the effort. that was true up until zen 3 and the 5000 series iirc. it's still kind of marginal, but you'll see probably cost justifiable gains up until 3600 at which point you hit severely diminishing returns (like after 3200 on previous ryzen generations)
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IME it was very not worth it to go from 3200mHz to 3800mHz when I had a 3700X+X570 set up. I haven't tried it on my 5800X+X570 set up. I still need to try and tune that 3800mHz kit one day...
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https://twitter.com/VideoCardz/status/1420805768195022850 Looks like a different retention mechanism than Intel, which was expected.
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denereal visease posted:IME it was very not worth it to go from 3200mHz to 3800mHz when I had a 3700X+X570 set up. I haven't tried it on my 5800X+X570 set up. Isn't 3800 bad because then you're forcing the CPU's fabric to memory clock to go 2:1 instead of 1:1? If I recall Zen2 will do 1:1 up to 3733 MHz putting 3800 just on the other side of that barrier.
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If they don't do a Zen 3+ I'll have to rethink my longer-term plans for this machine. No complaints with the current 3600X, but I was thinking I'd like to do one CPU upgrade over the course of its lifespan.
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Fabulousity posted:Isn't 3800 bad because then you're forcing the CPU's fabric to memory clock to go 2:1 instead of 1:1? If I recall Zen2 will do 1:1 up to 3733 MHz putting 3800 just on the other side of that barrier. Zen 3 has an easier time running the IF at 1900MHz or more for some people.
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Cygni posted:https://twitter.com/VideoCardz/status/1420805768195022850 The first thing that sprang to mind looking at this is trying to clean thermal paste from those notches.
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Fabulousity posted:Isn't 3800 bad because then you're forcing the CPU's fabric to memory clock to go 2:1 instead of 1:1? If I recall Zen2 will do 1:1 up to 3733 MHz putting 3800 just on the other side of that barrier. MaxxBot posted:Zen 3 has an easier time running the IF at 1900MHz or more for some people.
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So I'm looking at potentially treating myself to a Zen 3 partial upgrade if I swing a new job. What motherboard should I be looking at? Onboard wifi/BT would be preferred I know it's overkill, but I want to go either 5900x or 5800x and probably would need some fresh RAM too (thinking 32GB). Paired with a 1070ti for now, with hopefully a 3080 once availability calms down a bit more.
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I know it is a meme but why not wait a little longer for the next cycle which will have ddr5 memory and new cpu slots for ryzen
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CaptainSarcastic posted:If they don't do a Zen 3+ I'll have to rethink my longer-term plans for this machine. AMD already confirmed that a Zen 3 refresh was coming this year. Zedsdeadbaby posted:I know it is a meme but why not wait a little longer for the next cycle which will have ddr5 memory and new cpu slots for ryzen DDR5 is probs gonna be expensive out of the gate, and latency/tuning might be a mess. I think there's a case to be made that you can squeeze out all you can from AM4 / DDR4, and then make the jump to DDR5 something like 12-18 months later.
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Yeah, I'm allergic to running the first run of a new generation of memory. My main desktop ran DDR1 and while I built machines with DDR2, my next main desktop was DDR3. Then I waited to build my current desktop until DDR4 was well-established.
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Usually you wait a year or about a year and a half after launch and the new RAM standard prices being to drop to something more reasonable. Faster RAM modules usually being to show up too.
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A lot of advice on waiting that long for DDR5 to settle down in price is working under the assumption that the performance gain from moving to a completely new architecture, with finally a clean canvas for datapath design, "isn't going to be worth it in the short-term, anyways". As in, y'all are expecting Golden Cove and/or Zen 4 to not blow Lake Lake and/or Zen3 completely out of the loving water Then again, I myself am going under the assumption that money isn't real
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I mean I'm playing 1080p with a 75Hz monitor so I probably don't need that much firepower anyway??? I'm gonna be drooling over the performance figures from the eventual reviews regardless
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Dumb question, but I imagine I should probably to a clean install of Windows when I swap out my mobo + cpu yeah? My 5900x should be coming in this afternoon.
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Doh004 posted:Dumb question, but I imagine I should probably to a clean install of Windows when I swap out my mobo + cpu yeah? My 5900x should be coming in this afternoon. Not required, never a bad idea.
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Nomyth posted:As in, y'all are expecting Golden Cove and/or Zen 4 to not blow Lake Lake and/or Zen3 completely out of the loving water There should be at least 1 more major performance boost for AM4 coming so if you've already got a AM4 mobo it'll make a lot of sense to stick around on it for a while. GC and Zen4 should be real good but paying early adopter DDR5 prices (around 2-3x DDR4) really loving sucks on top of paying early adopter new platform prices.
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Doh004 posted:Dumb question, but I imagine I should probably to a clean install of Windows when I swap out my mobo + cpu yeah? My 5900x should be coming in this afternoon. I didn't bother when I went from a 6700k to 3900x, no issues at all.
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Gwaihir posted:I didn't bother when I went from a 6700k to 3900x, no issues at all. I went from a 2600k to a 5850k to a 3900x without reinstalling Windows. It's been completely fine.
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Boat Stuck posted:I went from a 2600k to a 5850k to a 3900x without reinstalling Windows. It's been completely fine. I've gone through something like 5 systems in the last 6 years. All intel until the last 3900x. I always swap the HD or clone into the new system. No windows problems whatsoever.
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