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ninjewtsu posted:recently watched through all the seasons of infinity train. it was incredibly good. is there anything else remotely like it? Over The Garden Wall and Primal? Two prestige cartoons that you can't go wrong with.
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BioEnchanted posted:Also whatever happened to Mao Mao? As far as I'm aware the last episode was Strange Bedfellows, was it interrupted due to the pandemic or has something happened to it to make it stop? That last episode was I think over a year ago. Got canceled. Creator tweeted something along the lines of a new exec coming in and canceling a bunch of on going projects. Made a bunch of bitter posts about always making sure you own your creations. And then started making little comics almost exactly the same as Mao Mao except it's a racoon and not a cat person totally different.
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SlothfulCobra posted:I honestly think you might be better off trying to just get used to the more relaxing rhythm of the series before the drama starts, Don't get me wrong, I like it very much, but just in case I'd like to be able to hurry towards Season 2, if that's required.
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Beachcomber posted:Don't get me wrong, I like it very much, but just in case I'd like to be able to hurry towards Season 2, if that's required. Watch all of episode 1 of the first season then watch all of episode 20 of the first season. That's your bare-bones plot. For any kind of background on the other frogs and the introduction of the toads and how Anne's relationships developed, well, that's why you watch the other 18 episodes. One thing interesting I found in comparing Luz (from The Owl House) and Anne is that while Anne has quite a more few realistic flaws than Luz does, at no point does Anne treat any of the sentient beings in Amphibia as though they were less than people. Especially in the first season, Luz (and sometimes Eda) had a tendency to treat King as though he were a pet or a child. Even when Anne had a conflict with Spring, Hop-Pop or even Polly, she always treated them as people.
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Everyone posted:Watch all of episode 1 of the first season then watch all of episode 20 of the first season. That's your bare-bones plot. For any kind of background on the other frogs and the introduction of the toads and how Anne's relationships developed, well, that's why you watch the other 18 episodes. Going by just the first couple of episodes, Anne seems to think bullying and ridiculing people is normal and acceptable behaviour. Luz treated King like a pet or a child because he often acts like a pet, and is an actual child. Also, children are people.
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Whitenoise Poster posted:Got canceled. Creator tweeted something along the lines of a new exec coming in and canceling a bunch of on going projects. Made a bunch of bitter posts about always making sure you own your creations. And then started making little comics almost exactly the same as Mao Mao except it's a racoon and not a cat person totally different. Fuuuck. I only discovered it after the season (well, series I guess) wrapped up and I loved it. Figured it was just COVID poo poo making it take so long to come back. That fuckin sucks dude.
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jassa posted:Also, children are people. pump the brakes pal
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TwoPair posted:Fuuuck. I only discovered it after the season (well, series I guess) wrapped up and I loved it. Figured it was just COVID poo poo making it take so long to come back. That fuckin sucks dude. Is there confirmation of this? I can't find a hard link to anybody saying it, especially since season 2 was announced and was apparently in production.
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kidcoelacanth posted:pump the brakes pal My remark was meant to sound more light-hearted than it probably came across. I get that's not the point they were trying to make, it just read weirdly to me - especially considering we're talking about kid characters in kids shows! 🙂
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jassa posted:My remark was meant to sound more light-hearted than it probably came across. I get that's not the point they were trying to make, it just read weirdly to me - especially considering we're talking about kid characters in kids shows! 🙂 no i'm saying children are absolutely not people
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Fish are also not people.
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children are people by the most important metric of all, neilsen ratings
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Rand Brittain posted:Is there confirmation of this? I can't find a hard link to anybody saying it, especially since season 2 was announced and was apparently in production. A lot of the hard evidence was in tweets that people deleted in panic but here's collection from when the canceling was leaked. https://pasteboard.co/K5wVvWr.jpg
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Amphibia's pacing is a bit like dominoes. They slowly and carefully set up all the pieces so that they can knock them all down in one fell swoop at the end. Nearly every episode is doing something, there are very few that I can point to and say, 'that was ultimately pointless in the long run'. Sometimes it's just a character moment, but those matter here. Plus, sometimes something that seemed completely innocuous at first can come back in a big way later (I'm specifically thinking of the Mossmen here). I do think the first half of season 1 spends a little too long focusing on just the Plantars before they widen the scope to the rest of the town, and there's one too many episodes where Hop Pop and Anne come into conflict over old vs new. But it's a show that's focused on character first and plot second, so if you're not enjoying the 'filler', it's probably not for you. That said, if you care about the plot and only the plot, here's my recommend episode list: 1 - Anne or Beast/Best Fronds 5b - Breakout Star* 7b - Anne vs Wild (but just, like, the last 1-2 minutes) 8b - Family Shrub 9b - Plantar's Last Stand 10 - Toad Tax/Prison Break 12b - Hop-Popular 14a - Snow Day* 15b - Wally and Anne* 16b - Bizarre Bazaar 18b - Combat Camp 19b - Anne of the Year 20 - Reunion *These episodes don't directly contribute to the plot and you could skip them, but I consider them big character moments for Anne.
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I love the one where it explains why she's been able to use her phone without depleting the battery - it does deplete in an early episode, but magic electricity bugs charge it to 15 million% so it can go for years without being charged now.
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So far things are going well, but slowly. She wants to play games, so she wants tv she doesn't have to watch. Still, an episode or two a day will get us there in the end
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What's a show that's focused on plot first and character second?
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ninjewtsu posted:What's a show that's focused on plot first and character second?
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I think maybe Star Wars the Clone Wars counts as putting plot first and then character second? At least for the first season or so, and then after that the characters started to assert themselves more as the driving force for the show over the circumstances. I think that's part of why Rebels started out feeling weaker, because it did take a character first approach, so it created all of these characters for the plot to be solely about, but they didn't really have a plot ready for them to go through yet.The 7th Guest posted:maybe a procedural, but you won't find that in kids shows so much. something along the lines of ghost in the shell stand alone complex Phineas and Ferb might count as a procedural. Or at least, it's very formulaic about all the stuff that must happen in every episode that it got very creative about remixing. And I guess in a more literal sense, Filmore. But I've never really watched it.
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I feel like "it's a character show first and plot second" is something that gets repeated about every single cartoon, guess there actually isn't really any case where someone shouldn't go in with that expectation. That's too bad, given how often that gets repeated online I thought there might be some other class of cartoon to check out Given how often it has to get said I'd think there's some manner of demand for that kind of difference in focus
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I think it’s one of the first things they teach you in any writing program. Plot has to be secondary to character because nobody’s going to care about the plot if it’s the other way around.
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I think the reason it gets repeated is that there is an alternative, it's just that the alternative is "there is no plot." The context in which it usually gets said is emphasizing that despite being a more serialized show, there's still plenty of "filler." (I don't much care for the implication that filler is somehow bad, but whatever.) E: Dragon Prince is something that I would probably say is more focused on plot than character. Cattail Prophet fucked around with this message at 22:09 on Jul 29, 2021 |
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the shows that I generally think of as procedural when it comes to animation are for adults. I'd say Death Parade has the formula of a procedural at first because the first half of it follows tight formula of the main character leading the dead to a parlor game which slowly reveals the incidental characters' backstory-of-the-week. but even that show switches tracks to focus on the characters of the bar and the hosed situation that entails the premise you're probably going to find the most procedurals in Production IG's portfolio because they're usually called upon to do the serious, concept/plot-first shows. stuff like Psycho Pass, Joker Game, Ghost in the Shell SAC, that Sherlock Holmes show set in Kabukicho, the earlier episodes of Moriarty the Patriot, etc. but the nature of anime is that it's hard for shows to not eventually pivot to high stakes character conflicts because of how much the industry revolves around selling merch and video.. so it behooves them to endear viewers to the characters. so while Moriarty starts off with him helping commoners get revenge, there's obviously a larger plot and inevitably Sherlock comes into the story and it becomes.. yknow. sherlock vs moriarty still, more procedurals in anime than american cartoons, that's for sure. i'm still trying to think of stuff that would qualify here. you'd probably have to go back to the toyetic era of the 80s when characters didn't really matter so much as introducing a bunch of wacky villains and vehicles/gadgets that could be sold to kids. (speaking of which, people should watch the 1980 Spiderwoman cartoon, it's batshit insane.) but do you really call those procedurals? they're not, like, law and order. even the stuff that skirts close like, say, the 90s Men in Black cartoon, is still focused on the interactions between the characters since it's half-comedy. or any of the Scooby Doo-alikes... which have the formula but are still about the comedic character interactions... there's not really a Person of Interest or Numbers of western animation. e: it's also possible that budget comes into play... it might be cheaper to produce a procedural in live action than animation because of the amount of set/actor re-use. you can basically bring incidental bit actors back time and time again to play different people and no one will realize it. reshoot the same warehouse from different angles and times of day. etc The 7th Guest fucked around with this message at 22:07 on Jul 29, 2021 |
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I just meant that Amphibia spends more time focusing on character growth and development than developing the story every week. There are cartoons where the plot moves forward nearly every week, like Young Justice or uh... Netflix Voltron I guess? I'm not saying that shows like that don't care about their characters, but they put a lot more emphasis on the plot.
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thelaughingman posted:Jellystone is up on HBOmax.  I knew there was something familiar about the writing in this show. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HywJBClKtgk
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have a very well made video on the long and surprisingly complicated history of Looney Tunes on television; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xxxqg0XHxTw also since he directly brings it up during that video, might as well link to again Kaiserbeamz's The Merrie History of Looney Tunes series(which uploaded it's fourth episode about a month ago); https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z57_2T_WIuA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFtWZJrdIEc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNTgPfJ_HIk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sOglt59yh0
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drrockso20 posted:have a very well made video on the long and surprisingly complicated history of Looney Tunes on television; Hearing Bosco call someone a dirty gently caress is amazing, as is all the Warner family backstabbing. I never thought I’d find this one interesting, but there’s a lot of interest here. And as is so often the case with Nick Knacks, the specific subject of one show gives great insight into the cultural history of the era.
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CentaurWorld report: I had no loving idea what to make of it for a while, though the voice acting is on point throughout. It's good. I can't tell if I started enjoying it more when I finally worked out what it was going for, or if the darker tone of the later episodes is just more my style, but it's definitely good, and clever and interesting. A lot of the songs are really, really good too. One of the my favourite bits from early on, ep 4, and about when I realised the show was definitely meeting its potential: The show resolves "complete a task given by a mystical quest giver" plot by deciding that, sometimes, quest givers are just jerks and life is just so much easier if you murder them and take their plot tokens without learning any important lessons. Tonally it's very odd for a kids show. But I like it.
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Open Source Idiom posted:sometimes, quest givers are just jerks and life is just so much easier if you murder them and take their plot tokens without learning any important lessons. wait, literally murder them? ... is this show even more of a stealth Gravity Falls than Owl House and Amphibia are (were)?
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I like early episode 2 with the Taurnado. That was a creepy as gently caress reprise, with it cruelly singing a quiet harmony to Horse singing about how fearless she is while stripping her of everything she owns without her even noticing. Generally there were some great darker moments pretty much throughout. Also the end of the penultimate episode with the reunion reprise had me in tears. It was a really intense moment. BioEnchanted fucked around with this message at 22:48 on Jul 30, 2021 |
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Yeah, I was surprised by how emotional it got. And it can certainly bring the creep factor when it wants to. But also, there's gay anime merman porn called MAN SPLASH. Pachylad posted:wait, literally murder them? Yes. They're not successful, but they end the episode -- and the season -- not knowing that. As far as they're concerned they just killed the second mystical guardian of goodness and stole their stuff, and they never think about it again.
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Also, I stan (episode 5)Comfortable Doug he owns.
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Centaurworld was surprisingly good, and it's got me curious what a season 2 would end up looking like. It's clearly gunning for one given what it sets up and what it chooses to not answer. Music was solid overall but certain songs had a lot more put into them than others (the Nowhere King's lines were pretty flat). My only real complaint is that the entirety of the main cast outside of Horse and Wammawink are bereft of depth and are all only comic relief characters, but I never found myself finding them annoying; the jokes landed most of the time. The penultimate episode killed me with all the gags it set up and then knocked over--Glendale pulling out a jacket, Comfortably Doug having his own out-of-place ballad, and the Merman showing up with his girlfriend who was a taller, slimmer Wammawink.
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Jellystone is pretty good for those of you who have HBO Max. It really captures some of that charming weirdness from Chowder.
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Nodosaur posted:Jellystone is pretty good for those of you who have HBO Max. It really captures some of that charming weirdness from Chowder. Jellystone gave me quite a few good laughs, real good wholesome fun.
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Ironslave posted:Centaurworld was surprisingly good, and it's got me curious what a season 2 would end up looking like. It's clearly gunning for one given what it sets up and what it chooses to not answer. Music was solid overall but certain songs had a lot more put into them than others (the Nowhere King's lines were pretty flat). With that last point I actually saw that as kind of fitting - everyone else is part of either world and can sing fine, but HE isn't. He doesn't belong anywhere anymore, so being the one character who can't sing well is weirdly fitting.
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