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litany of gulps posted:Edit: Do I keep playing? Do I quit? What even do I do with this game? This sounds like a good game you should keep playing.
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litany of gulps posted:gently caress me, I just got this game the other day. I haven't played any of the others, and this is basically like no other strategy game I've ever seen. Keep playing, losing and building back is the best part of the game. Also post pictures of your border gore.
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Jul 30, 2021 07:12
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Yes, it's like a lava lamp.
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binge crotching posted:You need to own everything that is dejure the Kingdom of Sicily, which includes Naples (and Malta, easy to overlook that one). You also need to be independent, so if you swore fealty to the Byzantines that would also prevent it from happening. Ah woops, I shamefully used ruler designer for the first time! Also only had the island of Sicily at the time. And no clue what happened to Italy, like everything just blew up 
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Jul 30, 2021 08:46
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PittTheElder posted:Keep playing, losing and building back is the best part of the game. Also post pictures of your border gore. I think I've come to terms with this. Yesterday I just drank beer all day and conquered territory, it was devastating to have accumulated so much just to have it disintegrate in the end. I was also drunk, both literally and figuratively (with my endless, seemingly inevitable victories). I'm sure with more experience at the game comes an understanding of how to manage succession issues better. To a large degree I just put it out of my mind and didn't want to even consider what would happen, because I wasn't sure if I could even do much to control how it played out. I need to look carefully at that nearly completed war. It was a 2000 prestige kingdom invasion, intended to be Karl's crowning achievement. I wonder, if I can manage to pull off a win with the remnants of my army, will I still take the entire Kingdom of Sapmi? This was the peak, after three generations of conquest:  This is what happened: 
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Jul 30, 2021 15:24
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If your realm was split between your siblings then you should have claims on their primary titles making it fairly simple to retake the territories you lost. Have you used a claim CB yet? You won't have to go one county/duchy at a time like with tribal conquest.
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Jul 30, 2021 16:05
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PittTheElder posted:Keep playing, losing and building back is the best part of the game. Also post pictures of your border gore. 100% this. Everything going disastrously wrong and desperately crawling your way back is the most fun this game gets. I really need to do a new playthrough.
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Jul 30, 2021 16:33
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Sometimes its fun to make your own story, and sometimes its fun to try for some of the achievements. I like to have a goal to work toward, and also it feels great to have that little notification ding when I succeed.
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Jul 30, 2021 16:40
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Various Meat Products posted:If your realm was split between your siblings then you should have claims on their primary titles making it fairly simple to retake the territories you lost. Have you used a claim CB yet? You won't have to go one county/duchy at a time like with tribal conquest. It looks like that is true, thank you for pointing this out! It appears that I can declare war on Norway and Sweden using my own claims and retake it all in two conflicts. I was able to squeeze out a win against Sapmi and took the entire kingdom, and my vassals just started a faction with the intent of stealing my spot as King of Denmark. Now I just need to try and stabilize and hold position in the short term...
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Jul 30, 2021 16:41
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PittTheElder posted:Keep playing, losing and building back is the best part of the game. Also post pictures of your border gore. I think the thing to realize about CK as a series in general is that there really aren't any objectives that will actually take the full length of time the game gives you - there is a ton of slack in the timeline and even a world conquest can be done with more than a century left on the clock. It's a very stark contrast to other Paradox series where early setbacks can derail an entire game, CK gives you a ton of freedom to lose recover.
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Jul 30, 2021 17:01
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Yeah since i hosed the Sicily cheevo my new goal is to capture the Pope and sacrifice him to Odin or whoever. Is there any way to make my own culture? Or is that literally the new DLC thing. If so is the only way to change culture the convert to the culture of your capital thing? And am I correct in having an army full of only Varangian Veterans? Like any reason to make anything else? Managed to stomp (stompish, had to hire some mercs) the Byzantines with the ~600 vets when I took Syracuse from them so they seem pretty good but could be better of course.
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Jul 30, 2021 20:56
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appropriatemetaphor posted:Yeah since i hosed the Sicily cheevo my new goal is to capture the Pope and sacrifice him to Odin or whoever. Is there any way to make my own culture? Or is that literally the new DLC thing. That's coming in the DLC.
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Jul 30, 2021 22:19
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appropriatemetaphor posted:And am I correct in having an army full of only Varangian Veterans? Like any reason to make anything else? Managed to stomp (stompish, had to hire some mercs) the Byzantines with the ~600 vets when I took Syracuse from them so they seem pretty good but could be better of course. They're rather expensive, but that aside, if you can afford it then you should. Once you get access to Armored Cavalry, but the marginal improvement probably won't justify the replacement cost. PittTheElder fucked around with this message at 23:02 on Jul 30, 2021 |
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Jul 30, 2021 22:59
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The best part about losing in Crusader Kings isn't picking yourself back up, it's coming back into power someplace else entirely. I remember a multiplayer game of CK2 where I got reduced to one county but through some clever marriages, switching my own inheritance to ultimogeniture, and murdering eight successive queens of Germany, I became king of Germany.
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Jul 31, 2021 01:11
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Questions. Why would the Byzantine Empire explode like this? The Borojigins are Tengri pagans so I assume some kind of horde took them out while I wasn't looking?  Also, as you can see I have conquered the whole of the Iberian peninsula. However only Aragon, Navara and Castile are integrating into Francia. Is that because Valencia, Andalusia and the southeastern kingdom don't border any integrated land?  As you can see, the Borojigins are already gone. I won a crusade against them for Sicily and put a distant cousin on the throne and then the Greek successor states rolled them. Charlz Guybon fucked around with this message at 03:48 on Jul 31, 2021 |
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Jul 31, 2021 03:33
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Isn’t borjigin genghis’ family name?
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Jul 31, 2021 03:39
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Raskolnikov38 posted:Isn’t borjigin genghis’ family name? Maybe. When I noticed this in 1260, they definitely still had a large core of territory in Mongolia.
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Jul 31, 2021 03:49
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KDdidit posted:Welp, ruler died and time for the succession dissent poo poo to fire up, better start with the feast for a few points. i like the part where everyone else gets -10 opinion of you "Yeah, the emperor's a pretty cool dude, but did you hear about how he massacred dozens of subjects after inviting them to a feast?" "Seems a little on the rude side but I'm sure he means well!"
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Jul 31, 2021 04:38
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I remember seeing a screen shot of this event a while back and forgot it existed so it was a nice surprise. Also that pitiful opinion penalty for killing everybody.
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Charlz Guybon posted:Questions. Why would the Byzantine Empire explode like this? The Borojigins are Tengri pagans so I assume some kind of horde took them out while I wasn't looking? The Borjigins are the Genghisids. The Byzantine Empire clearly were defeated in a Mongol Invasion, and then Armenia broke away in a populist rebellion. Possibly but not necessarily at the same time as all the Iranian counts broke away in an independence revolt. And yes, title integration requires a land border. The non-integrating ones will start once one of the connected kingdoms integrates and they gain said border.
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Jul 31, 2021 06:09
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Dr. Video Games 0031 posted:i like the part where everyone else gets -10 opinion of you I mean, they were only nobles.
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Jul 31, 2021 06:33
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Dr. Video Games 0031 posted:i like the part where everyone else gets -10 opinion of you Even better, it's only people who were at the feast, but you warned them about the fire so they didn't die who get the opinion malus. So apparently the emperor/king/duke just murdering a whole bunch of his vassals and courtiers just manages to get completely ignored by anyone who wasn't actually there.
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Well I assume you still get the -50 Murdered my Family Member or whatever it is, right?
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Jul 31, 2021 07:22
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appropriatemetaphor posted:Ah woops, I shamefully used ruler designer for the first time! If you want a tribal Norse start for playing around, Dyre in Kiev is the way to go. Starts as a Duke with bonus gold and prestige, is well situated to move in any direction (my go-to start for migration to India games), and unlike Rurik in Novgorod, has no wrong religion/culture vassals if you want to just hang out and build up.
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Jul 31, 2021 08:09
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PittTheElder posted:The Borjigins are the Genghisids. The Byzantine Empire clearly were defeated in a Mongol Invasion, and then Armenia broke away in a populist rebellion. Possibly but not necessarily at the same time as all the Iranian counts broke away in an independence revolt. Interesting. Bulgaria has consolidated a lot of Byzantine lands and is ruled by a Greek family IIRC, is it possible for them to reestablish the empire if they manage to gobble up more of Nikea?
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Jul 31, 2021 09:51
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PittTheElder posted:Well I assume you still get the -50 Murdered my Family Member or whatever it is, right? Along with the "murderer" penalty. No idea how/if those stack with themselves, but they definitely stack with each other. The most fun I had in CK3 was holding a traditional Asatru Great Blot long after I and 90+% of my subjects had converted to Islam.
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Jul 31, 2021 12:42
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Charlz Guybon posted:Interesting. Bulgaria has consolidated a lot of Byzantine lands and is ruled by a Greek family IIRC, is it possible for them to reestablish the empire if they manage to gobble up more of Nikea? It's certainly possible, though you need so many provinces to do it I would not expect the AI to succeed at it given that they don't prioritize stuff like that.
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Jul 31, 2021 16:44
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Veryslightlymad posted:Along with the "murderer" penalty. Murder? According to the game it must have been just a candle malfunction. No murderer here.  Family seems to be cool with it too. 
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Jul 31, 2021 22:09
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Been playing this game for dozens and dozens of hours and something I'm still not entirely sure on is when/how children inherit their parents' pressed claims. Pressed claims are inherited by the heir as an unpressed claim. Ok. Problem is that for regular non-rulers, the game doesn't really seem to have a way of showing who the heir is. In this one case I'm looking at it is presumably his children, but looking at his children I don't see any unpressed claims. Do the claims only "appear" when the father dies? or when the child becomes of age? (This is an italian, male pref confederate partition county, so it really does seem like the claim should go to his son..) The reason I'm asking is because I have some of his kids in my dungeon, so it seems like a potential good move would be to force have them join my court, then exploit their claims later when their father dies. Not terribly clear whether this is possible though, since the game isn't explicitly saying they have a claim, even though theoretically I suspect they do.????
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Aug 1, 2021 00:51
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Femtosecond posted:Do the claims only "appear" when the father dies? It's this. Children of currently landed rulers may have Implicit Claims, which is a sign that they would receive Pressed Claims if their landrd parent died today, but I'm not sure whether you can actively press those or not.
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Aug 1, 2021 00:58
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This is my new gambit to get heaps o' land in Italy. It's all about getting this tiny county of Mantua far away from my main territories. You can see here in this screen grab a tiny bit of Sicily in Northern Italy. I noticed that Tuscany was for whatever reason imploding and every state going independent, but sadly they were "too far away" for me as the King of Sicily to vassalize. I wondered if I extended my kingdom through some exclave, whether that would still be the case. I married my cousin to someone with an immediately exploitable claim on Mantua to find out. Tuscany is such a dire situation right now that they put up zero fight and I was able to wrestle that county away. And guess what? It works! All the independent states are well willing to be vassalized (albeit at low tax rates. Perhaps a bit of swaying could fix that though). Neat trick.
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How does the transition from tribal to feudal work, exactly? The option just opened up for my Danish kingdom, but it looks like a pretty bad deal militarily - my levy power drops to about 10% of what it was previously. Am I just lacking the cultural developments for this and need to wait?
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Tribals are easy to reach maximum power with, but their maximum power is worse than a maximum power of a fully built up feudal realm of equal size. You generally do want to transition eventually, but you do need to make sure that you don't have any neighbors ready to eat your lands.
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Aug 1, 2021 01:39
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Minor wrinkle in my grand plan, the woman I married my relative to in order to take over Mantua already had some kids that will inherit before her kid she had with my dynastic member. Further problem, her heirs are also the heirs to a county held by Tuscany, and so Mantua will fold back into Tuscany when they inherit! One potential solution here will be to try to give the Countess of Mantua a Dutchy, so that the inheritance will work the other way, with her son inheriting a Duke title and thus bringing Fermo into my lands. Fortunately during my war with Tuscany for Mantua I occupied Fermo and captured the main heir, child Count of Fermo. This could give me some options. I think my best approach here is to try to matrilineally marry all her heirs to women in my dynasty. The safest thing at this point would be to throw the main heir into the dungeon. Downside with this is the family will hate me. One wonders if I release this child from prison and get a hook, whether that's enough to force him into a bad matrilineal marriage that he wouldn't otherwise do. I kind of wish there was an explicit "force marriage" option you could do in this situation where you imprison a child. This is a situation where I might save scum because I actually want to see what the available options are here and how the game handles this case. 
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Veryslightlymad posted:The best part about losing in Crusader Kings isn't picking yourself back up, it's coming back into power someplace else entirely. One of my favorite games I played of CK2, I started in Essex, become king of England, became emperor of Britain, had a just genius king die at 22 and had the throne fall to a 2 year old, got deposed and ended inheriting a title in Andalusia and basically started from there to form the Spanish Empire.
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I'm new to this. Played the tutorial game for awhile when the game cane out and just started a new game using the starting Easy guy who goes on to start Russia. I start with a bunch of CBs to takeover nearby areas so I figured a good goal is to try to create the Russian empire. Just going to war and taking all of these over seems like a less than creative way to play the game though. What are some basic things I should try instead to achieve that? I still don't really have a great grasp on how to split up my lands and I always have powerful vassals who want council seats but there are so few seats and of course lots of vassals since I'm taking all this land. Also what options do I have if my ally gets invaded by a guy with an army 4x the size of mine? No chance of beating him in fight. I mean I could not help but that seems rude.
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litany of gulps posted:How does the transition from tribal to feudal work, exactly? The option just opened up for my Danish kingdom, but it looks like a pretty bad deal militarily - my levy power drops to about 10% of what it was previously. Am I just lacking the cultural developments for this and need to wait? If you can time it, I'd suggest having a young-ish leader with high stewardship skill. Oh, and a poo poo-ton of gold to fund your army and re-build all the buildings in your domain. Go raiding for a while first.
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I just had a terrible holy war, I hired the hospitaliers to help me invade egypt and even though on paper it said that would give me an extra 5000 guys when I raised them all that showed up were 5 knights. Literally impossible for me to raise them anywhere so I had to spend all my gold to hire a bunch of mercenaries and then my allies declared a bunch of stupid wars because on paper I now had an enormous army. I hate holy orders so much.
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PittTheElder posted:Keep playing, losing and building back is the best part of the game. Also post pictures of your border gore. I had an insane game where I was king poo poo of Italy except the plague passed through my court from a visitor, killing my king at 23, his heir at 2, then his brother, this dissolved my kingdom into civil war as my 2 year old dying of plague had no ability to keep the country together. I then played as my original king's obese alcoholic mother, who took the throne at 60, lived until the ripe old age of 88 and reunited the kingdom with a swathe of bloody conquest, murdering absolutely every single rebel in her dungeons. Probably the most fun I've had with the game.
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I am curious on how you keep territory to your direct heir. I like to play as Wessex, and I really want to keep Lunden and a few other useful territories like Stonehenge on succession. Everything else I literally don't care about as far as partition goes. But I keep having boys so the inheritance keeps ruining me on succession. I figured I'd rush high crown authority but that just caused a massive civil war I couldn't win. Obviously some succession change but that takes research. still, Any advice? Nelson Mandingo fucked around with this message at 19:59 on Aug 1, 2021 |
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Aug 1, 2021 19:48
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Nelson Mandingo posted:I am curious on how you keep territory to your direct heir. If there's a specific county you want to absolutely guarantee that you'll keep on succession, you can just make it your capital. If there are a few different ones spread around, there's not a lot you can do other than disinheriting all your sons except the one you want to be your heir. Later on you will unlock non-partition succession laws but it is fairly late in the game.
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Albino Squirrel posted:I think there's some kind of bar on the early medieval innovations tab that you have to fill up somehow. The only time I feudalized was through making the North Sea Empire which does that as part of the decision, so that didn't apply to me. I realized after the fact that part of the problem was that I had surpassed the vassal limit, which I hadn't known was a thing. Ultimately I only lost about 50% of my overall levy power, which still meant I was able to raise more soldiers than almost anyone else. I will say, that transition helped me to understand a lot about titles and the importance of giving them to the right people. My kingdom automatically shifted into the early medieval at a set date (1005), I guess it must be preset for each culture.
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