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Nick Soapdish posted:https://twitter.com/USNINews/status/1420486819666436103?s=19 And he was a doctor.
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Interestingly, the latest version of CNAF 3710 expands aircrew rest requirements to maintainers as well. Minimum 8 hours *uninterrupted* rest time every 24 hours. If you don't want someone flying fatigued you don't really want someone fixing an engine or hooking up flight controls while fatigued either.
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lightpole posted:8 to 5, 30 min coffee breaks at 10 and 15, 15 min dirty clean up period so lunch is 1145-13 and end at 1645. 4-8-8-4 might work but I think there might be some limitation on how long you can be on watch in one stretch, or it’s a CBA thing. 12 and 12 on bridge watch is a bad idea. Bridge watch is boring as gently caress. Until it suddenly isn’t.
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FrozenVent posted:12 and 12 on bridge watch is a bad idea. Bridge watch is boring as gently caress. Until it suddenly isn’t. Can confirm. 4 hours is fine, 6 is stretching it.
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I used to kind of like 6-12 but port and starboard can suck the poo poo out my rear end.
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How is so boring you can't stand more than 6 hours of watch a thing? I've done 12s in plants and 8s in the engine room, its not that bad. Just sit under a blower and make the junior do a good round.
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lightpole posted:How is so boring you can't stand more than 6 hours of watch a thing? I've done 12s in plants and 8s in the engine room, its not that bad. Just sit under a blower and make the junior do a good round. It's not that you can't, its more that somewhere by hour 9, the fact you've only seen two ships in the last nine hours might catch up to you and build complacency and the costs of complacency are catastrophic. There are strategies around that, and I would advise anybody embarking on such a strategy to have very strict contact management procedures, personnel with periods of higher than normal focus that gets rotated (the bridge watch equivalent of a rove) or some short relief periods (15-30min) scheduled for bathroom breaks, snacks or just to clear your head--something to structure the behavior. But these will feel artificial, inject additional watchstanding/sleep strain unless you have spare watchstanders, and will be opposed by watchstanders tooth and nail. I begin to lose faith in lookouts I haven't heard from in 30 minutes, I can't even imagine a lookout after staring at the ocean and reporting exactly one roro at 22 miles six hours ago.
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I lost faith in lookouts altogether by the first week of my first underway.
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https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1420738937526624261?s=19 I still remember watching that video in boot camp.
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Deadmeat5150 posted:I lost faith in lookouts altogether by the first week of my first underway. I remember one lookout report "Dead astern... Lookout reports a red light, a green light, and a white light between them. About 40 yards..."
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Hahahahaha so I called ECRC to talk to Pay about my issue of them taking back all my money. I patiently explained to the dude and he puts me on hold. "So while I was reviewing your pay issue I noticed you got sea pay for June when you were at ECRC that hasnt been taken back yet." DUDE. TAKE CARE OF MY MISSING THREE MONTHS OF PAY FIRST BEFORE YOU TAKE BACK THE loving $100 DOLLARS.
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Crab Dad posted:Hahahahaha so I called ECRC to talk to Pay about my issue of them taking back all my money. I patiently explained to the dude and he puts me on hold. Welcome, at last, to the Real Navy.
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8 hours of watch is fine and being on a 24 hour rotation is way better than 18 hours. Head reliefs at the halfway mark were standard on my sub. The only downside to it was being evening watch because the command only ever wanted to run drills during the day, in your oncoming. But unless your command super sucks, it's not like they're doing drills every drat day.
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Crab Dad posted:Hahahahaha so I called ECRC to talk to Pay about my issue of them taking back all my money. I patiently explained to the dude and he puts me on hold. My finances were hosed my entire career. The AF cut me a check for almost 20 grand when I separated. Helping you is not the priority.
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MonkeyFit posted:8 hours of watch is fine and being on a 24 hour rotation is way better than 18 hours. Head reliefs at the halfway mark were standard on my sub. The only downside to it was being evening watch because the command only ever wanted to run drills during the day, in your oncoming. But unless your command super sucks, it's not like they're doing drills every drat day. the only time we did not do drills every day was when we were on station doing special poo poo.
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piL posted:It's not that you can't, its more that somewhere by hour 9, the fact you've only seen two ships in the last nine hours might catch up to you and build complacency and the costs of complacency are catastrophic. The watchstanding crew on the average freighter these days is one (1) officer and no (0) rating. At night you get an AB. You’re usually required to have a deadman alarm that goes off if you don’t hit a button every fifteen minutes but… yeah. A six hour watch in fog is what convinced me to go ashore. Starring at a radar for six hours straight does things to your brain.
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https://twitter.com/jaredbkeller/status/1420850686326095879 Any word yet on whether the accused was a despondent gay man?
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Stultus Maximus posted:https://twitter.com/jaredbkeller/status/1420850686326095879 idgi
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piL posted:idgi https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Iowa_turret_explosion
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Rather than admit incompetence and laziness killed a bunch of sailors the Navy claimed it was a suicide sabotage attempt because one of the dead sailors was secretly gay. Really
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SMEGMA_MAIL posted:Rather than admit incompetence and laziness killed a bunch of sailors the Navy claimed it was a suicide sabotage attempt because one of the dead sailors was secretly gay. And the navy still has not walked that claim back either.
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My understanding is the final investigation by GAO pointed to the powder bags, and it so happened that the guy in charge of the previous investigation that claimed the sailor was doing gay suicide had been directly responsible for green lighting those powder bags in his previous posting. The navy still refuses to accept the final report.
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Oh. Thank you for explaining. 
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No one died as a result of the fire, right?
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A.o.D. posted:No one died as a result of the fire, right? I'm sure a whole lotta people breathed in stuff that's going to certainly shorten their lives in the long run.
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A.o.D. posted:No one died as a result of the fire, right? No one died, but there were a lot (over 60) of smoke inhalation injuries and it led to a pretty serious COVID outbreak down in San Diego.
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TIL that Improper Hazarding of a Vessel in peacetime is a capital offense.
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Holy moly my buddy returning from Japan was on the Shiloh and worked with Mims the hide and go seek champ.
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Crab Dad posted:Hahahahaha so I called ECRC to talk to Pay about my issue of them taking back all my money. I patiently explained to the dude and he puts me on hold. I went to disbursing every other week for almost 6 months trying to get my comrats sorted. Every single time they would have no record of my previous visit but oh, "we'll get this filed and you can come back in 2 weeks if it isn't in your paycheck". Finally, after receiving orders to a new command that had a yeoman who actually did stuff i had all the back pay in the next check.
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A.o.D. posted:TIL that Improper Hazarding of a Vessel in peacetime is a capital offense. 😳
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I didn't notice until after I filed my taxes that my ostensibly tax-free months of October, November, and December weren't reflected anywhere on my LES or W-2. I'm sure this will be appropriately identified and corrected next year. 
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I should clarify that's Willful Hazarding. A negligent fuckup that causes the loss of a ship (or aircraft) is a lesser, but still court martiable offense.
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Wonder what happened to the dudes in the Honda Point Disaster E: Wikipedia had the answer "The seven-officer Navy court-martial board, presided over by Vice Admiral Henry A. Wiley, commander battleship divisions of the Battle Fleet, ruled that the disaster was the fault of the fleet commander and the flagship's navigators. They assigned blame to the captain of each ship that ran aground, following the tradition that a captain's first responsibility is to his own ship, even when in formation. Eleven officers involved were brought before general courts-martial on the charges of negligence and culpable inefficiency to perform one's duty. This was the largest single group of officers ever court-martialed in the U.S. Navy's history. The court martial ruled that the events of the Honda Point Disaster were "directly attributable to bad errors and faulty navigation" by Captain Watson. Watson was stripped of his seniority, and three other officers were admonished. Those officers who were court-martialed were all acquitted. Captain Watson, who had been defended by Admiral Thomas Tingey Craven, was commended by his peers and the government for assuming full responsibility for the disaster at Honda Point. He could have tried to blame a variety of factors for the disaster, but instead, he set an example for those others by accepting the responsibility entirely on his shoulders. A Court of Inquiry recommended Cmdr. Roper for a Letter of Commendation for turning his division away from danger." orange juche fucked around with this message at 04:24 on Aug 1, 2021 |
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Pays to be a noble drat
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Just lol’ing at the idea of a junior sailor killing a bunch of people accidentally but getting a slap on the wrist because they took responsibility
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Genuinely surprised that the captains of the ships which refused to follow the idiot didn't get their careers killed for disobedience.
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Stultus Maximus posted:Genuinely surprised that the captains of the ships which refused to follow the idiot didn't get their careers killed for disobedience. They probably would have been if the other ships hadn't run aground (like, if they hadn't been quite so far off course and it was only a very close call or something). The great catch-22 of risk management is that you can rarely point to a single thing and say "this is over the line and we shouldn't do it", especially when someone else crosses that line without incident, so there's a tendency to keep pushing things a little more until something catastrophic happens. In this case, there was immediate evidence that they made the right call, but usually it's not so clear-cut.
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What's absolutely astonishing is that Captain Watson was allowed to finish out his career and retire. I mean, it wasn't an act of sabotage, or even one of criminal negligence, but it was the single biggest loss of hulls since the action against the CSS Virginia and wouldn't be matched until Pearl Harbor. I don't get how he wasn't drummed out of service.
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