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Only just started 1-5 but it's really interesting how there have been no "typical" cases of yet. 1-1 was the standard tutorial, 1-2 had no trial, 1-3 had no investigation, we didn't corner a suspect, and our defendant likely did the deed, and 1-4 was an accident the victim survived
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Zulily Zoetrope posted:1-4 Bruce Fairplay does mention having lived in Australia if you press him during one of the Summation Examinations. It is 100% intentional. Juror 2 from 1-3 is also clearly a southern belle. They're going for a broad representation of anglophones. 1-5I think it's certainly significant though that he was one of the names on the mysterious telegram list at the end of the game. So I dunno how they'll use him in the second game but I doubt it's gonna be just as the detective. And based on the fates of the two other names on that list we know, I'm wondering if he's gonna end up murdered.
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Jul 31, 2021 21:06
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Morphogenic96 posted:Actually ended up laughing at just how suspiciously familiar the entire jury for 1-5 is. Bad enough that's it's commented on several times in game even. I saw the Russian guy there and thought there'd be a thing given the hints about espionage and state secrets, I laughed so hard when Naruhodo immediately identified him and was like "uhhhhhhh"
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Jul 31, 2021 21:59
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2-3 investigation: Finally we get to hang out with van Zieks outside of court and it was everything I dreamed. The man is a boss. Also I feel like they're implying something absolutely insane with regards to his sidekick and I'm not sure how that could possibly be the case, but I'm not sure what else it even could be. E: He's even concerned about Natsume's well-being! Because he's a good egg and afraid his 'Reaper' reputation might harm someone actually innocent. E2: I almost left without noticing the bats! What a marvelous office. Zulily Zoetrope fucked around with this message at 22:18 on Jul 31, 2021 |
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Jul 31, 2021 22:13
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Case 1-3: I understand that prosecutor von Dracula is loving scary, but why exactly couldn't McGilded get any lawyer at all? It's not like he needed someone competent and a fat paycheck covereth a moltitude of embarrassment and getting owned by Zieks. Eh, I'm probably overthinking this.
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Jul 31, 2021 22:13
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The cases in this not sticking to the established formula certainly gives proceedings an off kilter feel. Certainly doesn't feel like I'm on the second to last case of the first game, low key as it has been so far.
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Jul 31, 2021 22:58
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2-5 Done! I admit, I kinda wish there was a little more going on with the end of the trial -- there's the will, then a _lot_ of talking, and then we pull in Sholmes (literally, lol). Iris' backstory was pretty surprising to me, admittedly, but also I wasn't thinking too hard about that at this point. I... do kind of wish we got to see Susato in court again. Her objection theme was lovely. To be honest, I think TGAA2's soundtrack is absolutely fantastic. God, I'm still thinking about that final Dance of Deduction. I do have pretty mixed feelings about how they deal with Gregson in this game. Him throwing Gina under the bus doesn't come up here at all in any of the cases, and there's definitely more reverence than I would've expected for someone who was helping to carry out assassinations (even if he was coerced). Game good.
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Aug 1, 2021 00:00
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Yeah the entirety of the first four cases feel like the extended setup for a routine that never actually materialises in game 1. It's kinda weird pacing but it doesn't matter that much when the games are sold together like this.
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Aug 1, 2021 00:02
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Amppelix posted:Yeah the entirety of the first four cases feel like the extended setup for a routine that never actually materialises in game 1. It's kinda weird pacing but it doesn't matter that much when the games are sold together like this. Yeah and I understand that was the biggest criticism of the first game on its release. I have to imagine that was a big part of the decision to package them together for the localization.
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Aug 1, 2021 00:09
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A downside of the less structured flow of these games is that you get this unnatural feeling that a whole bunch of stuff seemingly not related to a case is totally going to be relevant. Like, case 5: I am sure learning an awful lot about pawnshop operations!
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Aug 1, 2021 01:21
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Regy Rusty posted:Yeah and I understand that was the biggest criticism of the first game on its release. I have to imagine that was a big part of the decision to package them together for the localization. Oh, if they had done the first 3DS game by itself, it would have tanked HARD.
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Aug 1, 2021 01:29
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1-5 This motherfucker's name is EGGERT BENEDICT
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Aug 1, 2021 02:28
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GAA 2-2 Gee that case hosed me up good. Poor Olive! I might be a hypocrite but I don't even care that she would've let Soseki take the fall, I still sympathize so strongly with her and her plight broke my heart. I'm glad things turned out like they did though, she'll serve her time but she'll live and hopefully will go on to be happy again one day. And that absolute fucker Shamspeare will face justice. Great case.
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Aug 1, 2021 03:02
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"Minds are... wont to blank!" is a great line from GAA 2-1
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Aug 1, 2021 03:03
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Waffleman_ posted:1-5 This motherfucker's name is EGGERT BENEDICT When you get too used to whacky AA names...
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Aug 1, 2021 03:17
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Waffleman_ posted:Oh, if they had done the first 3DS game by itself, it would have tanked HARD.
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Aug 1, 2021 06:36
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leather fedora posted:It didn't exactly tank but it did get a lot of venom from fans when it was released in Japan. Surprising they took a risk to release the more controversial one, you'd think they'd release the Apollo Justice series beforehand.
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Aug 1, 2021 08:15
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2-2 really bold move to have a famous irl author in the Larry Butz role
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Aug 1, 2021 12:16
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2-3 This feels like the first "normal" case in the series, complete with a culprit that is obvious from their conspicuous absence for the majority of it. I've no reason to suspect this Sithe woman but also I'm 100% convinced that shedunnit. It's only now that I'm coming to realize how hard it's been to peg the culprits of most of the previous cases.
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Aug 1, 2021 13:05
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the muted anti-japanese racism is kinda weird when you think about the game being aimed towards a young-ish audience. not sure what they got out of it and it's still unrealistic for how much more racist it'd play out in real life
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Aug 1, 2021 13:16
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Ace Attorney has received M ratings in the past and featured an on-screen suicide, it's not going for a particularly young audience.
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Aug 1, 2021 15:22
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at least in japan the fanbase is mostly young adult women
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Aug 1, 2021 15:38
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I bought the first Ace Attorney at around ten years old and I didn’t know what luminal or Cross examination was but I did know about racism. I think young players would be more confused about things like omnibuses and stuff than the racism
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Aug 1, 2021 15:50
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Aug 1, 2021 16:26
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Case 1-3: so that's where Japanifornia got the not guilty confetti from. Actual comments: I like the new translation not dropping the three letter slur all the time. "My learned friend"* is just as racist in a more contemporary way. I think the case did the guilty defendant way better than Engarde. McGilded is obviously guilty to us players but poor Naruhodo came to London in the morning and got saddled with this mess, so his decision of screw victory I'm here for the truth has more weight. Admittedly Nick having the option to rub into Engarde's face how hosed he was at the end of that trial had a certain je ne sais quoi though. *What's next Drac, "articulate"? Please tell me he uses articulate for that guy in 1-4.
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Aug 1, 2021 16:58
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I think someone mentioned "my learned friend" is one of those elevated English phrases you use in court. Though you can definitely taste the contempt behind that line, hah
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Aug 1, 2021 17:17
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'My learned friend' is how you're supposed to refer to a barrister in a British court for decorum reasons (even now). Makes sense that Zieks is required to use it, although he expresses his contempt in many other ways.
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Aug 1, 2021 17:18
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It's a good translation because in a vacuum it's a normal statement but taken with the other phrases he uses you can absolutely feel the contempt behind it. It's a credit to the translation that they found a phrase that is both fitting and yet when read absolutely comes across as talking down.
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Aug 1, 2021 17:23
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He almost always specifically uses it when deriding or condescending to Naruhodo, so in context yeah it's pretty clear he's not being sincere about using it. Naruhodo also turns it around on him at at least one point which is pretty great.
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Aug 1, 2021 17:40
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Irony Be My Shield posted:'My learned friend' is how you're supposed to refer to a barrister in a British court for decorum reasons (even now). Makes sense that Zieks is required to use it, although he expresses his contempt in many other ways. He also constantly actively and directly belittles Ryunosuke and keeps referring to him as "Nipponese" so... But I think over the course of the trial his opinion starts to change and he starts to rethink his preconceptions
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Aug 1, 2021 17:41
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Why isn’t one of the extra outfits complete with glorious headband 
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Aug 1, 2021 17:45
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Regy Rusty posted:He almost always specifically uses it when deriding or condescending to Naruhodo, so in context yeah it's pretty clear he's not being sincere about using it. Oh yeah, in this context it is 100% an insult but there are rules about how you speak to the sides in court and parliament here. Big Decorum Energy basically.
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Aug 1, 2021 17:46
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Shaman Tank Spec posted:He also constantly actively and directly belittles Ryunosuke and keeps referring to him as "Nipponese" so... Curiously, I suspect "Nipponese" might actually be the more appropriate word for the era, though I'm hardly a historian. It is the native name for the country, after all - "Japan" is a rather mangled word having come to English via Portuguese people recording the Chinese name for the country. There are some scattered sources on the Internet that suggest they were using that name internationally in the Meiji era, so maybe on that particular point he's merely being stiff rather than outright rude?
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Aug 1, 2021 18:03
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Endorph posted:at least in japan the fanbase is mostly young adult women Interesting. It makes perfect sense on grounds of Miles Edgeworth alone, but I always thought they were aimed more at teens or kids even a little bit younger. The games tend to repeat basic plot points a lot and always make sure that you really understand the basic mechanics. Also, they never get too dark or violent. I got the impression that the developers wanted to include a younger audience at least.
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Aug 1, 2021 18:24
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KonvexKonkav posted:Also, they never get too dark or violent. I got the impression that the developers wanted to include a younger audience at least. It's no more violent than TV Court Dramas, its just that this franchise, for obvious reasons, doesn't include sexual assault and beyond cases, just neat and tidy murder.
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Aug 1, 2021 18:42
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The murderers are mostly instant death ones too with most cases being people getting stabbed, bonked, or shot with few rare exceptions
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Aug 1, 2021 18:48
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The soundtrack isn't hitting for me as consistently as some other entries but when it hits it really loving hits, this is one of my new favorite tracks in the series (think it first plays at the very end of 1-4): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_UHhN78C5E
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Aug 1, 2021 18:51
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I think the official translation made good choices with how it handled the racism. It’s still really apparent that it’s everywhere without dropping slurs that would make playing the game very uncomfortable. That said, I’m not even sure how accurate the usage of that particular slur is. I’ve always associated it more with WWII era America. And yeah Ace Attorney is a series with a teen plus demographic that has received M ratings in the past. They definitely could have chosen not to include period racism if they wanted to, but it’s not inappropriate for the intended audience.
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Aug 1, 2021 19:12
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Well yes pretty much everything about Sooz is perfect and she manages to stand out even among the powerful cast of this game.
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Arist posted:The soundtrack isn't hitting for me as consistently as some other entries but when it hits it really loving hits, this is one of my new favorite tracks in the series (think it first plays at the very end of 1-4): That and Kazuma's themes were what stood out to me in the first game the most. Also Iris' theme was extremely fun, but I don't think I would enjoy it in larger doses. The title theme does a really good job of giving you the sense of a grand adventure though, in my opinion.
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