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jamal
Apr 15, 2003

I'll set the building on fire
In our last TT series you weren't allowed to use an actual TT bike or wheels deeper than 60mm.

Road racing can be kind of rough because you'll probably end up alone in the wind on some highway for hours. Gravel racing can be worse because you add loose surfaces and rocks to the riding in a group part and then also end up alone in the wind for hours.

So I think of mtb and cyclocross and the more fun ways to get into racing but those do add needing to ride a bike fast down a trail/off road and jumping on and off your bike and such.

In conclusion all bike racing is hard and probably increases your chance of crashing but it's fun so try it.

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ElMaligno
Dec 31, 2004

Be Gay!
Do Crime!

e.pilot posted:

TT bikes will make you faster tho. :colbert:

Yes they make you look like a fast flying piece of garbage

jamal posted:

In our last TT series you weren't allowed to use an actual TT bike or wheels deeper than 60mm.

Road racing can be kind of rough because you'll probably end up alone in the wind on some highway for hours. Gravel racing can be worse because you add loose surfaces and rocks to the riding in a group part and then also end up alone in the wind for hours.

So I think of mtb and cyclocross and the more fun ways to get into racing but those do add needing to ride a bike fast down a trail/off road and jumping on and off your bike and such.

In conclusion all bike racing is hard and probably increases your chance of crashing but it's fun so try it.

I do have an MTB and a gravel bike so yes Grave, MTB and cyclocross interest me.

but i have never done any of 'em

e.pilot
Nov 20, 2011

sometimes maybe good
sometimes maybe shit

ElMaligno posted:

Yes they make you look like a fast flying piece of garbage

But I am a fast flying piece of garbage :colbert:

ElMaligno
Dec 31, 2004

Be Gay!
Do Crime!

e.pilot posted:

But I am a fast flying piece of garbage :colbert:

I will be passionately and honestly cheer for you while making the most disgusted look on my face.

Shadowhand00
Jan 23, 2006

Golden Bear is ever watching; day by day he prowls, and when he hears the tread of lowly Stanfurd red,from his Lair he fiercely growls.
Toilet Rascal

ElMaligno posted:

I been looking at both and here are some:
Reach the beach (25/50/75/100 miles, road)
Portland Century (40, 60, 75, 90 and 100 miles, road)
Gorge gravel grinder (51, 67, 93 miles. 50%+ gravel)

There are others but i am not sure if they are rides, races or both. My goals is to basically keep grinding on the bike, get a bike trainer (to train on winter and for my own mental health) and do a handful of em before I leave the area.

http://orrando.blogspot.com/

Looks like there's a number of randonneuring events in your area as well. They're unsupported but there's usually a good and happy group of people to ride with at any pace.

numberoneposter
Feb 19, 2014

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Safety Dance
Sep 10, 2007

Five degrees to starboard!

I have a stupid bike riding question that's probably more of a "that's how humans work" question:

On Saturday I went for a long bike ride. I'm not terribly fit. About three hours in, I was feeling really lovely. Like I wanted to throw up, and no matter how much water I drank, I still felt thirsty. I rested for a while but didn't feel much better. Then I bought and ate a Gatorade and a pack of crackers from a convenience store. Over the next half hour I felt 100% better, and was able to finish the ride. Should I plan to just pack a little snack on long rides?

Related question: My right knee hurts when I get going from a stop in too-high a gear. I imagine this is accumulated stress from a decade of compensating for a hosed up left ankle. Are there any good knee braces y'all recommend?

Dren
Jan 5, 2001

Pillbug

Safety Dance posted:

I have a stupid bike riding question that's probably more of a "that's how humans work" question:

On Saturday I went for a long bike ride. I'm not terribly fit. About three hours in, I was feeling really lovely. Like I wanted to throw up, and no matter how much water I drank, I still felt thirsty. I rested for a while but didn't feel much better. Then I bought and ate a Gatorade and a pack of crackers from a convenience store. Over the next half hour I felt 100% better, and was able to finish the ride. Should I plan to just pack a little snack on long rides?

Related question: My right knee hurts when I get going from a stop in too-high a gear. I imagine this is accumulated stress from a decade of compensating for a hosed up left ankle. Are there any good knee braces y'all recommend?

question 1: that's called bonking
question 2: you need a bike fit and/or a sports therapist, not a knee brace

poemdexter
Feb 18, 2005

Hooray Indie Games!

College Slice

Safety Dance posted:

I have a stupid bike riding question that's probably more of a "that's how humans work" question:

On Saturday I went for a long bike ride. I'm not terribly fit. About three hours in, I was feeling really lovely. Like I wanted to throw up, and no matter how much water I drank, I still felt thirsty. I rested for a while but didn't feel much better. Then I bought and ate a Gatorade and a pack of crackers from a convenience store. Over the next half hour I felt 100% better, and was able to finish the ride. Should I plan to just pack a little snack on long rides?

Related question: My right knee hurts when I get going from a stop in too-high a gear. I imagine this is accumulated stress from a decade of compensating for a hosed up left ankle. Are there any good knee braces y'all recommend?

If I forget to shift before a stop, I do the following. Apply the front brake hard, tilt the bike forward so the back wheel is off the ground, shift and pedal with my foot that is still locked in until I'm in a larger gear, and then put my back tire back down on the street. Going from zero to moving in a high gear sucks but when I'm in a group, I sometimes forget and I don't wanna hold up the group and cause a gap because I can't get back up to speed quickly.

meowmeowmeowmeow
Jan 4, 2017
you bonked and shift down?

bicievino
Feb 5, 2015

Gotta hydrate and fuel. You can lose a surprising amount of electrolytes on a long hot ride.

I try to drink a bottle an hour, and make sure to have electrolyte mix if I'm going over 3 hours.

Regarding the knee - no recommendations on a brace. Best advice I can offer is to focus on shifting to an easier gear as you approach a stoplight. With many bikes it's not that hard to shift while stopped (involves using the front brake to rock the bike forward while pedaling), but I can see that being a challenge with an e-bike due to the weight.

Safety Dance
Sep 10, 2007

Five degrees to starboard!

It's not like I forgot to shift down. I usually reserve 1st and 2nd for getting started on hills. 3rd is usually fine to get going on flat ground. But, like one time in 5, my knee really hates that first quarter revolution of the pedals. I'm training myself to get started with my left leg, but it's new muscle memory.

MrL_JaKiri
Sep 23, 2003

A bracing glass of carrot juice!
Super obvious: do you do any stretching or mobility work at all

TobinHatesYou
Aug 14, 2007

wacky cycling inflatable
tube man

Safety Dance posted:

I have a stupid bike riding question that's probably more of a "that's how humans work" question:

On Saturday I went for a long bike ride. I'm not terribly fit. About three hours in, I was feeling really lovely. Like I wanted to throw up, and no matter how much water I drank, I still felt thirsty. I rested for a while but didn't feel much better. Then I bought and ate a Gatorade and a pack of crackers from a convenience store. Over the next half hour I felt 100% better, and was able to finish the ride. Should I plan to just pack a little snack on long rides?


Hmm, when I bonk, I don't really feel like throwing up. What does happen to everyone is this order:

1) You feel hunger pangs.
2) If you keep riding, your gut/liver feels like it's eating itself.
3) If you still keep riding, your legs will all of a sudden feel really heavy and even soft-pedaling will feel exhausting.
4) Some people get a brain fog too.

Did it go down like this? For long rides you want to eat maybe one energy bar an hour or 2-3 gels per hour depending on effort.

learnincurve
May 15, 2014

Smoosh
I tune out and it all goes like I’m looking through a tunnel, I think I skip the other stages because I’m a ex smoker and that messed up the “you are hungry” bit in my brain.

Safety Dance
Sep 10, 2007

Five degrees to starboard!

MrL_JaKiri posted:

Super obvious: do you do any stretching or mobility work at all

Nah, I'm a garbage person. I'll bring it up with my doctor at my next physical and see if he wants me to see a PT or what.

TobinHatesYou posted:

Hmm, when I bonk, I don't really feel like throwing up. What does happen to everyone is this order:

1) You feel hunger pangs.
2) If you keep riding, your gut/liver feels like it's eating itself.
3) If you still keep riding, your legs will all of a sudden feel really heavy and even soft-pedaling will feel exhausting.
4) Some people get a brain fog too.

Did it go down like this? For long rides you want to eat maybe one energy bar an hour or 2-3 gels per hour depending on effort.

Not really. I felt exhausted, dizzy, and like I was on the verge of throwing up. I took a couple ~30 minute breaks to sit and sip water, but I still felt thirsty. I was probably in a brain fog too.

Safety Dance fucked around with this message at 19:28 on Aug 3, 2021

Guinness
Sep 15, 2004

Everyone bonks a bit differently but those feelings after 3 hours of riding with inadequate food/water sure sounds like bonking, especially when rest stops don't help much.

MrL_JaKiri
Sep 23, 2003

A bracing glass of carrot juice!

Safety Dance posted:

Nah, I'm a garbage person. I'll bring it up with my doctor at my next physical and see if he wants me to see a PT or what.

A bit of foam rolling after rides will do wonders - depending where the knee pain is, it could well be caused by muscle tightness and that's something that will only get worse with age.

Ola
Jul 19, 2004

I fixed some knee pain by moving my cleats. Turns out my leg was ever so slightly canted outwards. It got worse with more effort. A bike fit or at least some adjustment is worth while. Adjust only one thing at a time.

MrL_JaKiri
Sep 23, 2003

A bracing glass of carrot juice!
Slowly doing my recovery on the turbo on the TT bike and getting into the track spirit

bicievino
Feb 5, 2015

MrL_JaKiri posted:

Slowly doing my recovery on the turbo on the TT bike and getting into the track spirit



Hell yeah

iospace
Jan 19, 2038


I have over 10k miles on the journeyman. I got it just under 2 years ago (August 22nd, 2019).

I also weighed around 190 then. I was 158ish this morning. 30 pound difference.

I had never done a metric before I got that bike. About a month later (September 18th) I did my first, and I was beat after. I did a metric today because I could, and I was beat because it was gently caress you hot and sunny. gently caress, if given a chance, I do one a week. I went from maybe 50-60 miles a week to 120+ easy. I mean poo poo, I did my first imperial this year, and I want to get one more in before winter comes.

I'm in so much better shape now than I was then, it's insane.

serious gaylord
Sep 16, 2007

what.

ElMaligno posted:

i wanna do some races but not to win but to challenge myself. is that weird?

The absolute fittest and fastest I have ever been on a bike is when I was getting spat out of the back at crit races.

MrL_JaKiri posted:

Slowly doing my recovery on the turbo on the TT bike and getting into the track spirit



Hell yeah.

kimbo305
Jun 9, 2007

actually, yeah, I am a little mad

iospace posted:

I have over 10k miles on the journeyman. I got it just under 2 years ago (August 22nd, 2019).

I also weighed around 190 then. I was 158ish this morning. 30 pound difference.

I had never done a metric before I got that bike. About a month later (September 18th) I did my first, and I was beat after. I did a metric today because I could, and I was beat because it was gently caress you hot and sunny. gently caress, if given a chance, I do one a week. I went from maybe 50-60 miles a week to 120+ easy. I mean poo poo, I did my first imperial this year, and I want to get one more in before winter comes.

I'm in so much better shape now than I was then, it's insane.

You dialed in on your Eddington number? N rides of N miles.

iospace
Jan 19, 2038


kimbo305 posted:

You dialed in on your Eddington number? N rides of N miles.

It's gonna be weird, because most of my metrics are anywhere from 62 to 65 miles, and there's a scattering of 70+ mile rides.

So who knows what it'll end up being :v: (that's one of those numbers that I'm like "whatever I get for it, I get")

iospace fucked around with this message at 22:04 on Aug 3, 2021

TobinHatesYou
Aug 14, 2007

wacky cycling inflatable
tube man

Guinness posted:

Everyone bonks a bit differently but those feelings after 3 hours of riding with inadequate food/water sure sounds like bonking, especially when rest stops don't help much.

The first 3 stages are AFAIK universal to every bonk, so if he didn’t feel any of that, then he suffered some other kind of breakdown…dehydration seems most likely.

When the glycogen in your muscles get used up, then goes the glycogen in your liver. After that you’re running on fumes / ketosis.

Either way, on an endurance ride longer than 2.5 hours I’m taking in 30g of carbs every 30min regardless of whether I feel hungry. On a very hot day, I’m taking in about a liter of water an hour, sometimes more.

TobinHatesYou fucked around with this message at 22:27 on Aug 3, 2021

VideoGameVet
May 14, 2005

It is by caffeine alone I set my bike in motion. It is by the juice of Java that pedaling acquires speed, the teeth acquire stains, stains become a warning. It is by caffeine alone I set my bike in motion.

TobinHatesYou posted:

The first 3 stages are AFAIK universal to every bonk, so if he didn’t feel any of that, then he suffered some other kind of breakdown…dehydration seems most likely.

When the glycogen in your muscles get used up, then goes the glycogen in your liver. After that you’re running on fumes / ketosis.

Either way, on an endurance ride longer than 2.5 hours I’m taking in 30g of carbs every 30min regardless of whether I feel hungry. On a very hot day, I’m taking in about a liter of water an hour, sometimes more.

Eating 1/2 a cliff bar every 30 min no matter how I felt, made the 200km thing I did a few weeks agp enjoyable as opposed to five years ago when I bonked with 40 km to go, only eating when I felt like it.

VideoGameVet fucked around with this message at 22:48 on Aug 3, 2021

Pantsmaster Bill
May 7, 2007

I think I said this before, but I always used to worry about eating too much and getting stomach cramp or something. But I’ve come to the conclusion that’s very difficult to do (for me at least) and fuelling more makes a world of difference

rngd in the womb
Oct 13, 2009

Yam Slacker

Safety Dance posted:

Not really. I felt exhausted, dizzy, and like I was on the verge of throwing up. I took a couple ~30 minute breaks to sit and sip water, but I still felt thirsty. I was probably in a brain fog too.

Honestly had to review your OP because this sounded and felt a whole lot like heat exhaustion. Keeping cool and hydrated on the bike are the most important things you can do on the bike. The Gatorade probably did more than the crackers to get you back on your feet. I suggest you to start out with electrolyte mixes/drinks immediately out of the door every time if possible. That's a small step you can add in to improve your riding right away.

evil_bunnY
Apr 2, 2003

MrL_JaKiri posted:

Slowly doing my recovery on the turbo on the TT bike and getting into the track spirit


175rpm recovery yeah ok dude.

(nice work, fucker)

Safety Dance posted:

Not really. I felt exhausted, dizzy, and like I was on the verge of throwing up. I took a couple ~30 minute breaks to sit and sip water, but I still felt thirsty. I was probably in a brain fog too.
Sounds like a combo of heat stroke and bonking.

MrL_JaKiri
Sep 23, 2003

A bracing glass of carrot juice!

evil_bunnY posted:

175rpm recovery yeah ok dude.

174!!!!

(And recovery from injury rather than a recovery session, gonna try to hit 200 once my core strength is somewhere greater than the "barely able to support my own bodyweight when walking" level it currently is)

evil_bunnY
Apr 2, 2003

MrL_JaKiri posted:

174!!!!

(And recovery from injury rather than a recovery session, gonna try to hit 200 once my core strength is somewhere greater than the "barely able to support my own bodyweight when walking" level it currently is)
Please stop making feel so goddamn inadequate jfc

Literally Lewis Hamilton
Feb 22, 2005



Gonna ride 200 miles on Thursday, made a big batch of coconut sticky rice with blueberries and chocolate chips.



The fun part is trying to eat them without making a gigantic mess, which I’ve yet to achieve.

Albinator
Mar 31, 2010

I'm going to recommend to everyone that they get themselves a nineteen year old son who will not complain if you sit in their wheel for 50 miles. It's pretty awesome.

Seriously, we had a very nice ride today, no big climbs, but about 4000 feet of change. So rollers forever, but very pretty countryside. We demolished every salty carby snack in the house once we got back. He's back off to college next week, I'll have to go back to riding with my grown up friends.

Crumps Brother
Sep 5, 2007

-G-
Get Equipped with
Ground Game

Literally Lewis Hamilton posted:

Gonna ride 200 miles on Thursday, made a big batch of coconut sticky rice with blueberries and chocolate chips.



The fun part is trying to eat them without making a gigantic mess, which I’ve yet to achieve.
Oh God yes. I do mine with white chocolate chips, but you're right on the money with those bars. They've gotten me through a whole bunch of centuries.

I'm also at a point where I've been cracking SaltStick pills in to my water bottles for so long that if I happen to drink plain water on the bike it's become weird and off-putting. Still the best bang for the buck electrolyte solution that I've been able to find even if it's kinda annoying to be breaking pills all the time.

ElMaligno
Dec 31, 2004

Be Gay!
Do Crime!

Safety Dance posted:

Not really. I felt exhausted, dizzy, and like I was on the verge of throwing up. I took a couple ~30 minute breaks to sit and sip water, but I still felt thirsty. I was probably in a brain fog too.

I was feeling like this (with the added thing that I almost passed out) after i finished my first 30 mile ride, i did eat during the ride and one of my water bottle had an electrolyte powder on it.
Turns out i needed MORE electrolytes as i remembered my sweat being ocean salty during the ride.

I personally have mix some Liquid IV in one of my water bottles and leave the other one as plain water. I also bring some energy blocks if i i go on extra long rides or if its hot.

Literally Lewis Hamilton
Feb 22, 2005



Give me all the salt. My bibs are covered in it, even after shorter (~2hr) rides.

iospace
Jan 19, 2038


My usual go to:

1x ~250 cal snack for every hour I'm out minus one. What I mean by that is if I'm planning on going for 5 hours, I'll bring 4 snacks, unless I have a cookie stop. My usual goto is "one hour since the last snack or 12.5 miles, which ever happens sooner". I might extend that if I have a cookie stop in there.

I always have a cookie stop :getin:

ElMaligno
Dec 31, 2004

Be Gay!
Do Crime!

~:siren:~MY WIFE~:siren:~ made me some no-bake oatmeal fudge cookies and the day after tomorrow I will embrace my inner weeb and make Onigiri Donuts. She is more of a long distance walker/runner but she still understands the need to eat.

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Salt Fish
Sep 11, 2003

Cybernetic Crumb
If you need to chug a gram of salt I can endorse V8 tomato juice. They sell it in mini cans for your jersey pockets.

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