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The Hitchhikers movie has my favourite version of the opening title song and I remember liking the rest of it well enough. I've had a mug with the movie version of Marvin's face on it for 15 years and I don't know where I got it.
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Aug 2, 2021 22:18
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Mebh posted:Yeah, not as my opinion counts for much (as we're currently bingeing the vampire diaries) but Dirk Gently was a lot of fun. Partner and I enjoyed it and we were both sad it got cancelled. my wifes been watching this recently - for a show about vampires its surprisingly dull, I remember Buff the Vampire Slayer having more special effects
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Aug 2, 2021 22:23
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Oh I forgot Marvin, Rickman was great.
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Aug 2, 2021 22:25
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I'm a huge HHGTTG fan but I wasn't impressed by the movie. The BBC TV adaptation was quite fun, but the radio show remains its best incarnation. And Adams' best book was Last Chance to See.
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Aug 2, 2021 23:30
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goddamnedtwisto posted:The film is fine if a bit Hollywood-ised - the only real disappointment for me is that what should have been easily the best bit of casting in movie history, Sam Rockwell as Zaphod, just... didn't seem to work. I can't even put my finger on why, it just seemed like all of his scenes felt weirdly forced and just not-fun. Bobby Deluxe posted:My pet take is that Sam Rockwell could have been amazing as Zaphod if they hadn't got him to play it badly concussed. I got really excited when I saw the posters and how he looked, didn't particularly care about the head-under-the-head thing, and thought when he was not dazed he did a pretty good job. And then one of the story's best personalities just wasn't there. Totally agree that Rockwell was great casting let down by a sloppy script/direction. I've not seen the film since it came out, so maybe I'm misremembering, but I came away with the distinct impression that the filmmakers thought that what if we made the President character really stupid, y'know, like Bush??? was the height of cutting edge satirical wit in 2005. I vaguely recall there being a bunch of films doing the same thing in the mid noughties, and it always seemed pretty lazy and uninspired
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Aug 2, 2021 23:36
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i can't really remember but it wasn't so much that he was stupid but an arsehole and you think why would the lady ever have got mixed up with him in the first place.
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Aug 2, 2021 23:42
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Ravel posted:I'm a huge HHGTTG fan but I wasn't impressed by the movie. The BBC TV adaptation was quite fun, but the radio show remains its best incarnation. Back in about 1979, there was a play of HHGTTG at ICA in London which was really good. It was done 'in the round'. A bunch of us physics geeks went to see it. When I was an undergrad, it was only a radio show at that time and the guys used to sit in lectures reciting the scripts from the previous days' broadcasts - much as a few years earlier the same sort of guys used to recite Monty Python scripts. Fake ed: Wow - would you believe: just found this article on that play online: I'd forgotten we were on a hovercrafty thing. https://myvoicecoach.co.uk/hitchhikers-guide-to-the-galaxy/ Reading that brought back some long distant memories! I remember we 'lost Anthony' and the ushers or whatever you call them thought it was hilarious that these geeks had 'lost Anthony' and they were going 'oh dear, where's Anthony' haha. He's some big noise physics prof these days (or possibly retired now!) Jaeluni Asjil fucked around with this message at 00:12 on Aug 3, 2021 |
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Aug 3, 2021 00:09
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were you encouraged by the space maidens?
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Aug 3, 2021 00:14
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NotJustANumber99 posted:were you encouraged by the space maidens? I can't even remember them to be honest! I remember Ford Prefect or was it Arthur Dent - that's what it says in the article - vague memories reawaken - acted by the now disgraced Chris Langham, the vogons, and Zaphod Beeblebrox and the pangalactic gargle blasters but that's about it really. I'd completely forgotten about it until the thread brought up the subject.
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Aug 3, 2021 00:18
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:I can't even remember them to be honest! Chris Langham was at one point pinned for Arthur in the TV series, but Simon Jones got the role after playing the lead in the unfinished pilot for Adams' precursor series The Ends of the Earth. It pisses me off that Langham turned out to be one of the bad 'uns. He wasn't just a great comedian; he had the very significant role of being the bridge between Monty Python and Not the Nine O'Clock News.
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Aug 3, 2021 00:58
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Jedit posted:Chris Langham was at one point pinned for Arthur in the TV series, but Simon Jones got the role after playing the lead in the unfinished pilot for Adams' precursor series The Ends of the Earth. Yes. I saw him at the Comic Strip at Raymond's Revue Bar in about 1980 with all those 'new wave of British comedy' folks - French & Saunders, and all those actors that went on to be in The Young Ones and whose names escape me right now  . Think I've mentioned that before in this very thread. More He did such an amazing impression of an owl, I've never forgotten it.Can't believe this was 40 years ago now! This article from 11 years ago talks about it as 30 years ago! https://shapersofthe80s.com/tag/comedy/page/2/ quote:1980 ➤ Rik and pals detonate a timebomb beneath another kind of strip for Soho https://shapersofthe80s.com/seismic-shifts/1980-a-new-decade-demands-new-comedy/ Jaeluni Asjil fucked around with this message at 01:08 on Aug 3, 2021 |
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Aug 3, 2021 01:01
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JollyBoyJohn posted:my wifes been watching this recently - for a show about vampires its surprisingly dull, I remember Buff the Vampire Slayer having more special effects Oh its objectively awful, but makes for good background telly while I paint figures and she crochets. Plus everyone in it is so drat pretty.
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Aug 3, 2021 01:05
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The Question IRL posted:So I really loved the Good Place, right up until the ending. I will effort post about it if people want to, but basically the ending spoiled a show that I otherwise really like and would rewatch. Count +1 for people interested in this.
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Aug 3, 2021 02:29
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Chris Langham is also my biggest paedo disappointment. He was fantastic in everything I saw him in.
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Aug 3, 2021 07:18
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Honestly named 00s pop punk bandsThe Perfect Element posted:my biggest paedo disappointment
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Aug 3, 2021 07:53
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Guavanaut posted:Honestly named 00s pop punk bands lostprophets were metal, weren't they?
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Aug 3, 2021 08:19
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Jedit posted:Chris Langham was at one point pinned for Arthur in the TV series, but Simon Jones got the role after playing the lead in the unfinished pilot for Adams' precursor series The Ends of the Earth. And the Muppet Show! He was a writer on the series, and had to fill in at the last moment as a guest when Richard Pryor was unable to appear - stories differ on why, between having to cancel because of his suicide attempt, being barred from the country, or just someone somewhere in ATV finally going "You booked *who* on a kids show?"
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Aug 3, 2021 08:22
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Oh god, I had to look up Langham to see who he is and (a) oh poo poo yeah he was good and (b) literally the highest classification for the images found on his pc. Sadism and bestiality, gently caress.
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Aug 3, 2021 08:27
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Bobby Deluxe posted:Oh god, I had to look up Langham to see who he is and (a) oh poo poo yeah he was good and (b) literally the highest classification for the images found on his pc. Sadism and bestiality, gently caress. The whole case is weird as hell. The judge was satisfied that Langham is neither a paedophile nor a sexual predator, despite paying for child pornography including a fifteen minute video which "showed in quite graphic detail the sadistic brutalisation of an eight-year-old girl in the UK, with some serious sexual offences against her". And he got banned from working with kids... For ten years.
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Aug 3, 2021 08:40
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goddamnedtwisto posted:lostprophets were metal, weren't they? nu metal, it's an important qualifier.
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Aug 3, 2021 08:43
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https://twitter.com/KonstantinKisin/status/1422181544161128450?s=19 An absolute masterclass in looking at the problems and coming to the worst conclusion every single time.
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Aug 3, 2021 08:58
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I'm not reading all of it but I think a very strong initial stumbling block is "you're a normal person, you believe trump would never get elected and brexit would never happen" when the antivax nutters all love trump and brexit.
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Aug 3, 2021 09:02
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No see if we stopped thinking that the West was in any way racist, went back to a pre-1960s understanding of sex and gender, and refrained from criticizing men for anything at all unless they're Black, Asian, or scientists, then everyone would want the vaccine. Except possibly the people who didn't trust the medical establishment back when all those things were commonplace, but those people hardly count.
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Aug 3, 2021 09:12
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"imagine you're a normal person"; that could never be me
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Aug 3, 2021 09:14
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Bobby Deluxe posted:https://twitter.com/KonstantinKisin/status/1422181544161128450?s=19 I'm extremely normal and to prove it I've kept all the receipts of my extremely normal behaviour like any extremely normal person would.
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Aug 3, 2021 09:21
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goddamnedtwisto posted:lostprophets were metal, weren't they? They started nu-metal & went emo very quickly.
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Aug 3, 2021 09:23
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Ms Adequate posted:Count +1 for people interested in this. Okay. Goes into some heavy stuff, so fairly warned be thee, says I. Why I hated the ending to The Good Place. So this show has been about Philosophy and how to actually improve as a person. And it has been great at that. Really insightful and funny at dealing with this topic. But it's also a show nominally about the afterlife. And as the show has gone on the audience is told that due to a rigid and inflexible system for examining worth of peoples souls in the afterlife, no person since the 1700's has actually gotten into the Good Place. (Essentially Heaven.) And the Bad Place (Essentially Hell) is shown as being this over the top, comedic place of obnoxious and awful people. With the comedic undercurrent that they are torturing everyone who is sent there with relish on the basis "the system says you are bad. So are job is to torture you." And it's never shown only hinted at (butthole stretchers, being covered with bees, dumped in Lava.) But if you think about it long enough, it means that under that system murder victims, people killed in accidents and kids are all suffering those tortures too. Insert comparison to real world Departments that deal with Means tested benefits, social housing or asylum. But that's all an aside. In the shownthe heroes know that all this is wrong. And they are fighting to destroy this unjust system and replace it with a better one. So that's good. And then we get to the last episodes. And against all odds the heroes have managed to bring about reform of the old system and brought about a new system, with a heavy emphasis on making people reflect on their actions and to see if they can try to learn and become better to try and graduate to the Good Place. And that's fine. Only what is the new Good Place? It's where you can spend an eternity playing video games in sports stadiums, visiting replicas of places from around the World and having dinner with friends...Until you get bored with that and just decide to unmake yourself. That's it. And it is presented as a system where you are allowed to do all this stuff until boredom and ennui set in and cosmic suicide is the natural endpoint. No exploring the universe. No going back to Earth to live a new life. No ability for soul mates to try starting families together. Nothing. Heck the limits of interacting with people from the past is for Tahani to meet her parents every night so they can apologise to her for not being good enough. This is like some centrist, Liberal, University students version of Heaven. A place where people tell me I'm great until I decide to kill myself. And it was just depressing as Hell. The only two people shown as doing something different with their Afterlife (Micbael and Tahani) are presented as being super, special exceptions to the rules. And as bad a taste as all that left in my mouth, I was left mad at another thought I had when watching the last episode. My daughter had died about four months before the last episode aired. And I was thinking about her all the time. And I just kept thinking "in the Good Place universe, my daughter would be tortured by literal hell demons because an arbitrary system said she didn't score enough points. Or she would be in the new place, where she has to do the equivalent of a Philosophy exam. Which probably means waiting until she is an adult just to understand what is being asked of her. And then I finally would get to see her, when we meet at a replica of a French restaurant at night time. She would have aged so much and experienced so much growing that I wouldn't have been around with. And THAT is supposed to be the Good Place? Honestly it just left me wanting to burn down all their afterlife and make them start over for a third time. But that is just, like, my opinion man.
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Aug 3, 2021 09:30
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OwlFancier posted:I'm not reading all of it but I think a very strong initial stumbling block is "you're a normal person, you believe trump would never get elected and brexit would never happen" when the antivax nutters all love trump and brexit. https://twitter.com/KonstantinKisin/status/1422181570916593670?s=19 Neither of those things were true unless you live surrounded by entitled pricks that start screaming the second they're expected to suffer the slightest inconvenience. In most of the shops I went in and people I spoke to, people were being careful. If you live in a reactionary space where the only news you get is screaming the worst case scenario at you, you could easily get that impression. https://twitter.com/KonstantinKisin/status/1422181573617672196?s=19 Like this bit - he assumes that the media / government body were the ones contradicting their own advice - they were ignoring the advice of health experts who were screaming at the public to mask up and lock down. But because chuds like KK have wedged their contrarian bullshit into every aspect of public life, the experts were just 'one side of the debate.' His argument essentially is "you can't trust authorities because they contradict themselves." The problem is that the assumed bloc he calls authority are not one unified body (as you can see when he lumps Cummings in with Whitty etc). It's the classic conspiracy mentalist thing of looking at the problem and coming to completely the wrong conclusion. The problem is that the people who were supposed to be in charge and said they were following medical advice were corrupt eugenicists who thought only the poor would die. But if you assume that all authority is bad then you come to this dunce and his hot take. But also you can go through point by point looking at points on the corkboard which on the face of things seem like facts, but are just a dick brained, worst-faith interpretation of events: https://twitter.com/KonstantinKisin/status/1422181557930954761?s=19 Like the Elder 'confronting' a group of chuds who were wearing MAGA hats and shouting racial slurs. Part of me wants to wonder aloud what he should have done, stay quiet? Except yes, in the opinion of dickheads like KK, that's exactly what he should have done. And the Jussie Smollett case (one case) casing doubt over white on black violence (oh god statistically so very many cases), and then casting doubt again by mentioning the one white guy who had his neck knelt on. He has no critical thinking skills. Ultimately though it's poo poo like this that makes it so special: https://twitter.com/KonstantinKisin/status/1422181552994279426?s=19 People say racism is a problem, but I don't see my behaviour or ideology (or that of the insane right wing echo chamber I'm in) as a problem, therefore I can't be racist.
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Aug 3, 2021 09:42
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I think the majority of people I interact with are racist, my whole family is to a greater or lesser degree, lovely about LGBT stuff too, definitely going to assume that "I have never met a racist" requires you to simply not be able to identify racism.
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Aug 3, 2021 09:51
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Bobby Deluxe posted:“Your country is racist”, they tell you. If you’re white, this seems strange to you. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdjx1Dbxpro https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvvTacquttk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nj3hJ1OrLTw
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Aug 3, 2021 09:52
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The Question IRL posted:Okay. Goes into some heavy stuff, so fairly warned be thee, says I. It's still a very good show, the episodes are short and tightly written and I loved that it almost never felt drawn out. But you did touch on something I was thinking about it. Reincarnation isn't explicitly touched on enough as a solution. They kind of skirt around the edges of problems with it with Chidi resetting and the memory wipes, until they hit on the problem that there needs to be consistency to the growth, or otherwise you're just overwriting various versions of the soul and they never 'learn.' To me this was the point of the Chidi 'merge,' where you show the reasoning power of one person who has lived a near infinite number of lifespans, without the limitations of human aging and health problems. The mental growth and resolution is going to be on a scale we simply can't imagine as humans with a limited time. E: Like Jason playing Madden in the stadium. It's implied that he did that for several lifetimes before having resolved whatever need it was that made him want to do it. Suicide as a human term implies desperation or a desire to escape. I think what they were getting at in TGP was more resolution, just on a scale that's not possible in one human lifespan. People's essences (or at least a near-perfect simulacrum of them) must still be stored and available to interact with, otherwise how could Chidi have resolved his wish to interact with famous philosophers and deal with the contradictions in their work? I seem to recall somewhere that one of the various afterlife options is to 'forget' and go back to earth for a life cycle or two, but that just lumps reincarnation in with the rest of the problems without really engaging with it. The soul has to remember it's entire existence, or it will just keep getting reset to the same flawed state at making the same mistakes. The 'problem' they're dealing with is the idea that people are constantly being born and then live forever, so what do you do with all of those souls? But the thing they never address with that is where the souls are coming from. If you have a system where someone is 'born' and they are a new soul, and then they die and that soul lives forever, then you have a problem, unless you close it as a loop at the other end. This might only be occurring to me because they ask a lot of these sorts of questions in Pillars of Eternity. Again though, this isn't explicitly stated anywhere, or at least is not stated enough for reincarnation to seem like a clear option. Part of the problem is that it's a TV show that ultimately is not going to want to contradict the dominant abrahamic theology and get kicked off it's network or get Rushdied by implying that god isn't good, or that there's no heaven, or that the Buddhists were right. It's biggest flaw is that it has to exist within that framework, like so much of western philosophy where their explorations were limited by fear of blasphemy laws. So the best way to look at it is as an exploration of how to solve the western idea of the afterlife, specifically the heaven / hell dichotomy and the weird karmic hybrid points system most of us seem to hope will funnel us into the right one. So think of it not as trying to solve all afterlife ideology, just that one. Bung a bob for big ben brexit boris etc. Bobby Deluxe fucked around with this message at 10:32 on Aug 3, 2021 |
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Aug 3, 2021 10:14
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What Bobby said, basically. I chose to interpret the end of The Good Place as there being a lot of options that were available offscreen that were never touched on in the show for the purposes of brevity etc. I appreciate you brought your own experience to it, TQI, and it's totally valid but I was willing to shoehorn a more charitable interpretation in there, justifiably or not, because of the goodwill the show had built up by that point. I hope at least the silly TV show with moments of profundity provided you with occasional bits of mental architecture to explore your own trauma, even if you found that ending ultimately frustrating
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Aug 3, 2021 10:21
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My idea of heaven is to basically be able to noclip around the universe at any point in time of my choosing.
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Aug 3, 2021 10:40
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Aphex- posted:My idea of heaven is to basically be able to noclip around the universe at any point in time of my choosing. So... A ghost?
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Aug 3, 2021 10:47
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Failed Imagineer posted:and it's totally valid The Question IRL posted:and cosmic suicide is the natural endpoint I think a large part of the beauty of the ending was that it seemed really schmaltzy & sad, despite it being completely clear that there was literally nothing to be sad about, it's just the end, it's fine, and it's beautiful. The sadness is just part of the human experience & is beautiful in itself. A great part of the show was explaining philosophy by showing the concepts, without necessarily explaining them verbally. And the ending tied right into the broader thesis of the show, that life has inherent meaning, regardless of its ultimate futility. loving fantastic show. The Question IRL posted:But that is just, like, my opinion man.
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The Perfect Element posted:The whole case is weird as hell. The judge was satisfied that Langham is neither a paedophile nor a sexual predator He's a successful white man on TV, very rude to suggest that he is of bad character.
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Aug 3, 2021 10:53
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stev posted:So... A ghost? ghosts are boring and only seem to hang out in one particular place and moan all the time.
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OwlFancier posted:I think the majority of people I interact with are racist, my whole family is to a greater or lesser degree, lovely about LGBT stuff too, definitely going to assume that "I have never met a racist" requires you to simply not be able to identify racism. People I interact with have basically been harangued into keeping their drat fool mouths shut near me over the years because they know I won’t tolerate racism or bigotry*. occasionally though the mask slips and you realise that they are just using their inside voices all the time when I, and others who are willing to go off at them, are within earshot :/ *you can get away with this if you are basically a nice person willing to help terrible people because no one else will, and you know the key is that they will only get worse if they get more scared and flounder.
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Aug 3, 2021 10:54
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The flavours of Britain are mostly cardboard now
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Aphex- posted:ghosts are boring and only seem to hang out in one particular place and moan all the time.
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