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mrpwase posted:
why won't my screen turn on goddamn this soup is good though
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Aug 4, 2021 13:02
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:I think I'm the only left person on my FB who thinks Latin in schools is a good thing. Yeah, surely all those reasons are very good, but that's not what returning Latin to schools is about. It's about a return to the two-tier education system of the 1950s where only kids who went to posh schools had the slightest chance of getting into university. It's about undoing 60 years of attempts to increase social mobility.
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Aug 4, 2021 13:42
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I don't think universities are about to turn off their easy money tap by excluding half the country because they don't know Latin.
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Aug 4, 2021 13:44
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I did Latin at a pretty working glass state school when I was a teenager, wasn't even aware that it was a rare thing. edit: Remember nothing apart from a series of stories about the adventures of Marcus, Sextus, Flavia, and their slave who escaped/was captured/had his forehead branded with the letter F
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Aug 4, 2021 13:49
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It's about longing for the good old days of discipline, empire and servile wars.
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Aug 4, 2021 13:51
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EvilHawk posted:I don't think universities are about to turn off their easy money tap by excluding half the country because they don't know Latin. In the 60s and early 70s O-level Latin was a pre-requisite for getting into uni to study anything. The dawning of the age of the polytechnics put paid to that.
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Aug 4, 2021 13:58
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EvilHawk posted:I don't think universities are about to turn off their easy money tap by excluding half the country because they don't know Latin. The Tories don't give a tuppenny gently caress about the red bricks and will gladly see them close. The ancient universities will hardly be affected apart from Aberdeen, which may not even be in the UK ten years from now.
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Aug 4, 2021 14:01
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:In the 60s and early 70s O-level Latin was a pre-requisite for getting into uni to study anything. Jedit posted:The Tories don't give a tuppenny gently caress about the red bricks and will gladly see them close. The ancient universities will hardly be affected apart from Aberdeen, which may not even be in the UK ten years from now. It's not the Tories that are setting the admission standards though. As long as universities can still make £9k per year per student they're not going to add "you must have learned Latin" to the entry requirements until there's enough students that know Latin that their numbers won't drop, or it's no longer profitable.
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Aug 4, 2021 14:07
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Comrade Fakename posted:https://twitter.com/b_judah/status/1422609750555074561 "naow let me tell yew samfing abaot hitlah..." crispix fucked around with this message at 14:24 on Aug 4, 2021 |
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Aug 4, 2021 14:11
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I did Latin for a couple of years because I went to a convent school. Really like Latin tbh it's a neat language to learn. Good old Caecilius. When that one Doctor Who episode had Caecilius in it I was delighted.
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Aug 4, 2021 14:21
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Jel Shaker posted:cis-alpine gaul and trans-alpine gaul takes a whole new meaning Borrovan posted:The stuff that I've read is mostly from sports scientists almost all of whom are trans. I've not read the studies myself because I'm not a data scientist or expert in research methods, but my partner is both of those things & the meta-analyses she's looked at say exactly the same thing as the trans sports scientists (unsurprisingly). Especially in the UK where the gender recognition process is so hosed by the time they managed it they'd probably be ready to retire.
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Aug 4, 2021 14:39
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forkboy84 posted:I was referring to all the Latin speakers. And yes, I'm sure there's a couple of state schools that teach Latin too, gently caress off with pedantry. Well aware schools ran trips abroad, my school had an annual trip to Augsburg organised by the Languages department because Inverness is twinned with Augsburg for some reason. And in 1998 the PE department organised a trip to France which involved going to a World Cup game, think it was Colombia vs Tunisia? Was very sad I didn't get to go to that. In that case, my bad and you can consider my neck wound in. Assume makes and rear end of u and me, but in this case just me. curve, I guess it varies by school but my school defo did pay for kids to go on the trip if they couldn’t afford it. Doubt that would happen now like, sadly
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Aug 4, 2021 14:45
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Anyone who unironically speaks latin is a TURDUS MAXIMUS
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Aug 4, 2021 14:52
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Yeah where are all these schools where you learn Latin? Is everyone itt just really old?
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Aug 4, 2021 14:59
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I'm 36 and my school never offered Latin. I had heard of state schools offering Latin but I don't think I've ever met someone who did it. Can't be as common as this thread makes it look rn.
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Aug 4, 2021 15:01
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I'm 33, and my state school in Glasgow offered Latin at Standard Grade, nobody in my year took it up, but everyone got a term of Latin in second year prior to choosing subjects.
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Aug 4, 2021 15:04
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Spanish was exotic in my school
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Aug 4, 2021 15:09
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I went to a state grammar school in High Wycombe where Latin was mandatory up until Year 9. It desperately wanted to be a public school, or at least have a public school 'ethos', so we also maintained other farcical traditions like senior staff wearing gowns and a complete ban on playing football either competitively or for fun.
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Aug 4, 2021 15:14
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I didn't do latin, but I did do archaeology at A-level and our broke-rear end college offered to pay half for us to go to Northern Italy, so I got to see Ostia Antica, the colosseum and forum, Florence, a few art museums, an italian irish pub, our lecturer got sexually harrassed by an old woman, we were nearly kidnapped by a biker gang and I saw some wild horses running through the countryside. Oh and we stopped off in this little swiss cafe in the alps at dawn and I had the best chocolate I have eaten in my entire life. It was because one of the lads near the front woke up with a testicular torsion, but I got to see the sunrise surrounded by insanely crisp air. That was nice 
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Aug 4, 2021 15:18
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I was at a state comprehensive and we had to learn Latin up until year 9.
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Aug 4, 2021 15:19
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Meanwhile all the colleges in the U.K. have cut all their 2 year btec and equivalent courses because they won’t get funding for them next year, and are only offering 1 year versions instead, although some will have an option to continue on and pay to do a level 4 HNC diploma afterwards.
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Aug 4, 2021 15:21
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a roving band of grammar school prefect boys once kidnapped me and forced me to learn some latin so they could mock my grammatical misunderstandings and pronunciation 
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Aug 4, 2021 15:21
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My school offered French, a r German if you wanted to be fancy, and that was it.
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Aug 4, 2021 15:28
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Bobby Deluxe posted:I didn't do latin, but I did do archaeology at A-level and our broke-rear end college offered to pay half for us to go to Northern Italy, so I got to see Ostia Antica, the colosseum and forum, Florence, a few art museums, an italian irish pub, our lecturer got sexually harrassed by an old woman, we were nearly kidnapped by a biker gang and I saw some wild horses running through the countryside. Why were you twisting peoples testicles??? E: this reminds me of when one of the lads in my school shared with us his new wanking technique that involved in his words twisting his bell end like it was a bop it or something. He soon regretted letting that one slip. Anyway I’ll stop posting about wanking, been a very wank heavy posting day. Jakabite fucked around with this message at 15:32 on Aug 4, 2021 |
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Aug 4, 2021 15:30
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Can some more people confirm whether or not Latin was offered at their particular high schools, it's just all so incredibly interesting 
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Aug 4, 2021 15:30
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keep punching joe posted:I did Latin at a pretty working glass state school when I was a teenager, wasn't even aware that it was a rare thing. My secondary school barely managed to offer Spanish, & only for 5th & 6th years, other than that the languages choices were French, Gaelic & German, & the Gaelic teacher was shared by a handful of schools in the Inverness area IIRC. Pretty sure the Spanish teacher had to cover half the Highlands which would've been a godforsaken job. The Classical Association Of Scotland School's Network says between 500 & 600 pupils a year in Scotland do Latin or Classics exams. 122,000 sat SQA exams at National 5, Higher & Advanced Higher levels in 2020, so yeah, it's a tiny proportion & as CASN say themselves, "mostly from fee-paying schools". Now I'm lazy so I've only checked the curriculum for every secondary in the Aberdeen, Dundee, Edinburgh & half Glasgow local authority areas areas, {side note but boy, school websites are shite) & not one has offered Classics or Latin. Edinburgh City Council schools do offer some Mandarin though which is quite cool, & 1 offered Urdu. I've only touched on 3 of the 32 councils in Scotland but it does give an impression that it's pretty rare up here at least.
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Aug 4, 2021 15:30
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I went to an inner city comprehensive that was so rough the BBC recently made a documentary about it, and while we certainly didn't do Latin (it wouldn't surprise me if there was a optional Latin club or something though), we definitely had a number of foreign trips over the years I was there, including a big one to Germany for a week or so. Most of the others were day trips to France or Brugges.
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Aug 4, 2021 15:34
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Jakabite posted:Why were you twisting peoples testicles???
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Aug 4, 2021 15:35
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In regard to the argument that if you are going to teach a language in schools it should be a Modern Foreign Language, I used to work with a young woman from South Wales who had been forced to learn Welsh at school which she considered an absolute waste of time on the basis that hardly anyone speaks Welsh and she would rather have been learning French or German because it was far more useful and English kids were learning those, giving them a competitive advantage over kids at Welsh schools. So, if you are going for 'immediate usefulness' over all the other factors which may benefit from learning a different language, should Welsh or Gaelic for example be taught in schools? Should languages which were on their last legs 50 years ago be artificially resuscitated in school time? And if so, where do you draw the line? If you go into law, medicine, the church, even biology, Latin gets a thorough workout. (I know I'm on a hiding to nothing with this topic, so I shall leave it after this!) Pistol_Pete posted:Can some more people confirm whether or not Latin was offered at their particular high schools, it's just all so incredibly interesting Methinks you are not being entirely serious... much as I find 5 pages of monster munch chat deeply enthralling having never eaten a single MM in my life. Jaeluni Asjil fucked around with this message at 15:37 on Aug 4, 2021 |
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Aug 4, 2021 15:35
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I was home schooled because I was Obviously Gay during section 28 and got the poo poo kicked out of me every time I turned up for new schoolwork because it was perfectly acceptable for LADS to beat up lesbians in the 1990s.
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Aug 4, 2021 15:37
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If you’re learning Latin in schools what do you stop teaching to free up time?
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Aug 4, 2021 15:41
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Jakabite posted:Why were you twisting peoples testicles??? We chilled out in this big wooden panelled cafe surrounded by mountains in pre-dawn light. There was a girl I had a crush on that I wanted to go and sit outside with but there was an ambulance out by the coach and I think they didn't want anyone snooping. By the time we got to the bus, both he and the ambulance had gone. The lecturer in charge had that special academic lack of common sense and refused to tell us what had happened, so obviously there were rumours that it was a stroke, a heart attack, a blood clot from sitting so long, and eventually a virus so we all started panicking until eventually our lecturer told us it was a torsion, it seems to have just happened while he was sitting, it's very rare and we shouldn't worry. Lot of manspreading on the way back in that coach.
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Aug 4, 2021 15:43
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TACD posted:If you’re learning Latin in schools what do you stop teaching to free up time? Biology, needlework*, cookery*, RE, PE (or 'being shouted at for not having enough time to change afterwards and being late for the next lesson and getting a detention' as I call it) and art (cutting a picture from a magazine into squares, turning them round 90 degrees and sticking them together again or other complete wastes of time) from my perspective  That's why if it is to be taught it should be an option. *oh I forgot the new posh names: textiles, resistant materials, and food science.
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Aug 4, 2021 15:44
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Kids get mardy over having to learn actually useful stuff like maths because they can’t see how it’ll benefit them, never mind a literally dead language.
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Aug 4, 2021 15:44
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Teach kids how to grow their own food and find clean water because they're going to need those skills soon.
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Aug 4, 2021 15:47
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Butternubs posted:Teach kids how to grow their own food and find clean water because they're going to need those skills soon. And how to make and fire a cross-bow, and maybe skin a rabbit and pluck a duck or pigeon and how to make a fire from 3 sticks and a bit of pocket fluff. I think one of the duties of schools is to introduce kids to subjects they may not get a chance to encounter any other way. I'm sure I've said before how my dad hated maths, was completely anti it (always saying 'scientists are illiterate' nevermind arty-farts being innumerate and PROUD of it), tried to stop me doing A-level maths and physics. Fortunately my mother defended my choices. If it was down to my father, kids would learn + - x / and a few fractions and that would be it. Cease all maths ed at age 8. Jaeluni Asjil fucked around with this message at 15:51 on Aug 4, 2021 |
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Aug 4, 2021 15:48
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Pistol_Pete posted:Can some more people confirm whether or not Latin was offered at their particular high schools, it's just all so incredibly interesting Lord of the Llamas posted:I'm 36 and my school never offered Latin. I had heard of state schools offering Latin but I don't think I've ever met someone who did it. Can't be as common as this thread makes it look rn. If someone makes a statement like that, and other people in the thread have counter examples you're gonna bet your rear end people will respond with their experiences.
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Aug 4, 2021 15:49
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:In regard to the argument that if you are going to teach a language in schools it should be a Modern Foreign Language, I used to work with a young woman from South Wales who had been forced to learn Welsh at school which she considered an absolute waste of time on the basis that hardly anyone speaks Welsh and she would rather have been learning French or German because it was far more useful and English kids were learning those, giving them a competitive advantage over kids at Welsh schools. Also round here at least all the best schools are Welsh language. Which means you've got a lot of middle class English people desperately trying to teach themselves so they can tell when their kids are swearing at them.
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Aug 4, 2021 16:01
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Do they ever teach you whether or not Guto Bebb is, in fact, a Star Wars name?
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Butternubs posted:Teach kids how to grow their own food and find clean water because they're going to need those skills soon. Jaeluni Asjil posted:And how to make and fire a cross-bow, and maybe skin a rabbit and pluck a duck or pigeon and how to make a fire from 3 sticks and a bit of pocket fluff. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFkpS9VIRAA
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