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FrancisFukyomama posted:drat, the DSA delegation got to personally meet with Maduro https://twitter.com/NicolasMaduro/status/1411121788701052933 lol https://twitter.com/jergong/status/1413302463642308611
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bedpan posted:is this a joke? wtf She's not the only one, but it's serious https://twitter.com/DSA_Intl_Comm/status/1422753685982040065
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The Call is the newspaper of the DSA caucus Bread and Roses, which has broken apart, I believe but was(maybe the remnants still are?) run by Jeremy Gong, the Guiado supporter quoted a few tweets up. The resolution that the group is opposed to is resolution 14. Resolution 14 was written by a bunch of people that wrote the resolution to re-establish the international committee in its current form from 2 years ago, the main thrust of it is to have DSA become officially associated with the Sao Paulo Forum and to bring members of parties that are part of the Sao Paulo Forum to the US for visits as well as to have DSA members participate more strongly in international politics by visiting in the runup to elections and writing reports to DSA at large about the politics etc. as part of a broader international education project. It will also explore the possibility of granting DSA membership to anyone that is a member of a party within Sao Paulo Forum that is currently living within the US. Resolution 14 has made the consent agenda, which means that so many of the DSA delegates at the convention found it obvious and unobjectionable that it will be voted as one of a mass of resolutions that will just be passed en masse to save time. Bread and Roses had been fighting to keep it off of the consent agenda but lost, so they wrote that article and are trying to take time at the start of tomorrow's debate to remove it from the consent agenda. The consent agenda is expected to be voted on tomorrow so they're trying to get a rush of pressure to get people to change their minds before tomorrow's debate section.
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Resolution 14 was removed from the consent agenda and voted on directly today, as the cia-aligned DSA caucus wanted to defeat it and the people that had put it on the consent agenda in the first place wanted to show the assholes that it was not a controversial position. https://twitter.com/best__ev/status/1423458631014625280 that's a supermajority, baby
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Yossarian-22 posted:Wasn't bread and roses started by a forums poster who sexted people without their consent? are you maybe mistaking it for the forum
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fermun posted:Resolution 14 was removed from the consent agenda and voted on directly today, as the cia-aligned DSA caucus wanted to defeat it and the people that had put it on the consent agenda in the first place wanted to show the assholes that it was not a controversial position. https://twitter.com/best__ev/status/1423459641351098369?s=21 edit: https://twitter.com/DSAEmerge/status/1422373799404658688 Crusader has issued a correction as of 22:54 on Aug 6, 2021 |
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fermun posted:Resolution 14 was removed from the consent agenda and voted on directly today, as the cia-aligned DSA caucus wanted to defeat it and the people that had put it on the consent agenda in the first place wanted to show the assholes that it was not a controversial position.
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More from the convention. Resolution 38 was voted on today and it went down pretty hard, only about 25% in support. R38 was the resolution written by SAlt joiners, which is a large part of why it was voted down, I think, but it increased the requirements to get a DSA endorsement and then also was to make DSA a semi-party. R38 would have allowed for censure or removal from DSA of elected politicians that, after taking office, did not continue to meet the standards that the endorsement set. Delegates opposed to R38 rightfully pointed out that if R38 were to pass, AOC would be kicked out of DSA, and that also freaked out a lot of the delegates. R38 also required DSA to start creating infrastructure that would have allowed DSA to fully separate from ever running on the Democratic party line. This made a lot of people think that this was set up by SAlt as a conspiracy to get DSA to merge with SAlt in a couple years. The areas where DSA has had the most electoral success are the areas that were most supportive of this resolution, which I think indicates that those chapters are the ones which think they are more ready to fully break from Democrats and run on a socialist party line. Also: here's the video for Socialist Internationalism from yesterday with Jeremy Corbyn, Dilma Rousseff, Kara Taggaoa, Karin Sosa, Monica Valente, and Omar Barghouti https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZn7i5PdW3I
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fermun posted:More from the convention. Resolution 38 was voted on today and it went down pretty hard, only about 25% in support. lol
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fermun posted:Delegates opposed to R38 rightfully pointed out that if R38 were to pass, AOC would be kicked out of DSA, and that also freaked out a lot of the delegates. not like it really matters anyway, but do DSA types really think AOC is on their side? it makes me laugh to think about their supposed new focus on "internationalism", ie going on field trips, together with AOC's actual foreign policy positions
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fermun posted:More from the convention. Resolution 38 was voted on today and it went down pretty hard, only about 25% in support. hanging on to aoc for dear life. don't talk to me or my celebrity socialist daughter
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WorkerThread posted:not like it really matters anyway, but do DSA types really think AOC is on their side? it makes me laugh to think about their supposed new focus on "internationalism", ie going on field trips, together with AOC's actual foreign policy positions apparently some do! my chapter's delegates (dsa sf) voted unanimously in favor of r38. there's no way to know why the various delegates that voted against it voted the way they did, but r38 wouldn't have even had enough support to get voted on in the convention 2 years ago, so progress?
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no one's more obsessed with aoc than the gaggle of trot microsects gnawing at dsa's heels. i didn't follow the r38 resolution or vote but if it was anything like the fake opposition to r14 (joining the sao paolo forum) and that amendment to the union resolution that tried to enshrine the idea that the biggest enemies of unionization were existing union leaders then it was definitely best ignored
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Ferrinus posted:no one's more obsessed with aoc than the gaggle of trot microsects gnawing at dsa's heels. i didn't follow the r38 resolution or vote but if it was anything like the fake opposition to r14 (joining the sao paolo forum) and that amendment to the union resolution that tried to enshrine the idea that the biggest enemies of unionization were existing union leaders then it was definitely best ignored the dsa defender has logged on
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Judakel posted:the dsa defender has logged on the dsa has many problems, but it also has this advantage: the trots are losing influence rather than gaining it
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New NPC for 2021-2023: Caucus-wise that's: 3 Green New Deal Slate (no real ideology, just about pressuring for environmentalism and stronger union laws) 3 Bread and Roses (weird control-freak social democrats containing all the Ivy-league-educated dsa members opposed to dsa's internationalist changes in the past couple years) 3 Socialist Majority (Careerist Dem Party/NGO climbers progressive liberals) lost 2 of their 3 incumbents 2 Renewal (internationalist caucus that were all about joining the sao paulo forum) 1 Red Star (SF communist caucus) 1 Emerge (NYC communist caucus) 2 Independent due to personal antagonism, a bunch of candidates withdrew and only 20 candidates were running for the 16 seats so little surprises. of the 7 incumbents running, 5 elected of the 4 black candidates that ran, only 1 was elected. fermun has issued a correction as of 23:08 on Aug 8, 2021 |
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Ferrinus posted:the dsa has many problems, but it also has this advantage: the trots are losing influence rather than gaining it type of guy obsessed with trots in 2021
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AnimeIsTrash posted:type of guy obsessed with trots in 2021 buddy, i wish as much as you do that they were a distant memory by this point in history
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Ferrinus posted:the dsa has many problems, but it also has this advantage: the trots are losing influence rather than gaining it to the democrats, apparently
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