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This is the smallest ship I've been able to reasonably fit the big flagship gun on It's pretty fun, it's maneuverable and has armor focused on the top corners, since I find that generally being to the bottom left/bottom right of bigger ships is advantageous (lots of weakspots in their armor/engines) - but ultimately I find that this gun is rather hard to aim when you're moving around quickly, it has a much slower rotation speed than others so I don't know that the ship overall is worth it.
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Anyone have some feedback on the first ship I've made? Going for a gladiator with a bit more armour and firepower EDIT: It's a brick TescoBag fucked around with this message at 21:25 on Aug 4, 2021 |
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Aug 4, 2021 21:20
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HerpicleOmnicron5 posted:No clue on the exact ranges, but I think you're correct. After some thought and discord chatter I think I was wrong. How would ELINT know the difference between a 750km radar broadcasting 1500km away, and a 400km radar broadcasting from 800km away? They'd both show as ELINT 1, right, or would the latter suddenly jump to like 3? (Or would I magically detect it from 1500km anyway?  )
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Aug 4, 2021 21:23
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 I think I've got the location of this SG about right from ELINT and radio, where the X BASALT is in the middle. Is there any way to get their exact position, or even their composition, without alerting them?
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Aug 4, 2021 21:41
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So, my current gameplan has me parking carriers and cruise missile carriers out in the desert, launching strike packages at the baddies, while stripped down transports and corvetts shuttle supplies out to them. Edit: do stores replenish?
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Aug 4, 2021 23:12
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How are you making money doing that?
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Aug 4, 2021 23:31
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I think the trick is not to drive off randomly into the desert but to have your main force be chilling in the desert not burning fuel rather than say on a city not burning fuel. So I like to park on the way to where I was going anyway. I also do like to bring the flag ship in to each fuel depo city, as it is still the biggest gas tank I have, and ferrying the fuel is wasting fuel. Really the layout of fuel dump cities is the landscape my flagship is navigating on the way to Khiva. The other thing is you cannot afford to backtrack, that’s why mockingbirds are great, they are cheap enough to go back and use intel points, but, you will still have to buy gas for them, so it’s not free either.
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Aug 5, 2021 00:00
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Ciaphas posted:After some thought and discord chatter I think I was wrong. How would ELINT know the difference between a 750km radar broadcasting 1500km away, and a 400km radar broadcasting from 800km away? They'd both show as ELINT 1, right, or would the latter suddenly jump to like 3? (Or would I magically detect it from 1500km anyway? I think you'd just detect it? I'm not terribly sure. It doesn't make sense it would jump straight to 3, since I've never observed that. Remember that your ELINT will detect active radar outside of their range anyway, otherwise your active radar would detect enemies before they used their ELINT to open fire with cruise missiles and nukes.
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Aug 5, 2021 00:27
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Dandywalken posted:How are you making money doing that? Being very careful to not enitrely kill off the enemy strike group. Also I tear apart most of the ships I get. Oh, and my starting bonus is now 120k, and my flagship is cheap as heck
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Aug 5, 2021 01:02
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That patch has fixed just about every issue i was having with the game, though i hope the next patch lets you use click and drag on everything that would use the mousewheel because my mousewheel just acts weird as hell in this and i don't know why.
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Aug 5, 2021 01:03
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I tried the stock big ships and then just caved and made a death cube.
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Aug 5, 2021 01:05
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Missiles and Planes report: Cruise missiles and aircraft carriers are well balanced, I thought they would be lovely. So many games that have weapons like those always have trouble balancing them - either they crush or they are totally outclassed by something else. I just took out two strike groups for a total loss of 2 aircraft and expending 10 cruise missiles (and a good chunk of maneuvering fuel to get the carriers and missile launchers into position/range, but that's just the cost of doing business.) Cruise missiles are fairly binary if you can get them on target, but they have just enough hardiness that I only lost a few to enemy CIWS or anti-air missiles. Obviously they have great range, you just have to get them on target. Planes are much the same, the range is great but they absolutely need special ammo - I split between 250mm(?) rockets for the larger planes and 250kg bombs for the smaller ones. Again, they can get hit by CIWS or anti-air missiles but in both sorties they managed to down a large cruiser with bombs. I think crucially I hit both strike groups on the ground - it seems like they have a pretty bad defensive response when they're landed. All-in-all a pretty expensive proposition between the special plane ammo expended and the number of missiles expended, but crushing 2 strike groups for legit no damage besides two lost planes is pretty insane.
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Aug 5, 2021 01:39
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Today in Probably Cheating (tm), i present: hiding active defence systems without sacrificing armor coverage.
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Aug 5, 2021 01:40
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Is there a limited amount of hostile strike groups, or do they respawn?
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HerpicleOmnicron5 posted:I think you'd just detect it? I'm not terribly sure. It doesn't make sense it would jump straight to 3, since I've never observed that. Remember that your ELINT will detect active radar outside of their range anyway, otherwise your active radar would detect enemies before they used their ELINT to open fire with cruise missiles and nukes.
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Aug 5, 2021 01:49
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Hammerstein posted:Is there a limited amount of hostile strike groups, or do they respawn? Limited, hunting them all down is a legit good strategy if you built your fleet around bushwhacking them.
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Aug 5, 2021 01:51
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Ceebees posted:Today in Probably Cheating (tm), i present: hiding active defence systems without sacrificing armor coverage. You can hide flares and APS behind a single stack of armor plating, including sloped armor, fyi.
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Aug 5, 2021 01:51
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Ceebees posted:Today in Probably Cheating (tm), i present: hiding active defence systems without sacrificing armor coverage. Lol was thinking about exactly this earlier
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Aug 5, 2021 01:58
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Dandywalken posted:How are you making money doing that? Oh, and I pulled the coords of the hidden cities from my save file, so I've got islands to hop between
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Ceebees posted:Today in Probably Cheating (tm), i present: hiding active defence systems without sacrificing armor coverage. I tried this earlier and it seemed like shots were sneaking through? I could be wrong, it's hard to tell what's going on in all the chaos when you're taking fire. If you test that design you'll know right away since your ammo boxes are right at the edges
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Aug 5, 2021 03:23
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I built an armored brick in the shipworks to mess around with, and it seems like if you have a heavily-armored ship, more maneuverable AI ships will go well out of their way to target weak points in the armor. In fact, they try too hard, to the point where it can be exploited. They kept trying to squeeze beneath my low-flying brick to get at the weaker bottom armor...only to be sitting ducks for my guns, because they were hugging the ground so much that they could barely maneuver. The smaller and faster the enemy ship, the more likely it was to willingly pin itself between heavy weaponry and a hard place.
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Aug 5, 2021 03:46
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Top Gun Reference posted:If you test that design you'll know right away since your ammo boxes are right at the edges On that criteria, it hardly ever explodes before it's been pounded to scrap, so i think it's pretty airtight?
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Aug 5, 2021 04:24
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Top Gun Reference posted:I tried this earlier and it seemed like shots were sneaking through? I could be wrong, it's hard to tell what's going on in all the chaos when you're taking fire. shots will slip through drat near anything but heavy plates three thick sometimes tbf
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I found the ideal AA setup https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0G7mxcLKvU  it has 28 chainguns  For real though, this ship is poorly designed w/r/t engines but chaingun spam is the real deal. This ship can beat even groups of 4 Large ships in the ship editor by just facetanking them while firing, with the default HE ship editor ammo (I think chainguns only get incendiary though which may not be any good). I'm going to redesign it without the big fuel tanks (it can be supported by a cheap 1300 gold tanker or two) so it has a better firing range and maybe more armor/better thruster usage. deep dish peat moss fucked around with this message at 05:02 on Aug 5, 2021 |
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Aug 5, 2021 04:54
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 I wonder what the repair bonus was.
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TescoBag posted:
wow, what are the little wheel things?
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BrotherJayne posted:wow, what are the little wheel things? Wheels
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If there’s wheels hidden somewhere it’s time for a total conversion mod to the Mad Max universe.
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skaianDestiny posted:Wheels Assuming that you're not loving with me, how do I get those? I want to make a turtle ship that lands and shoots upwards
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Aug 5, 2021 07:40
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Garrisons sometimes have little AA wheeled vehicles.
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BrotherJayne posted:Assuming that you're not loving with me, how do I get those? the answer is apparently by using file editing or glitches to get one of the AA trucks into your saved ship designs
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Sekenr posted:Garrisons sometimes have little AA wheeled vehicles. AKA "where in the gently caress are all these missiles coming from?"
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Aug 5, 2021 11:33
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Did I hit a bug if I reached the point in the tutorial where the gold mask guy comes down a ramp and everything seems to be bad and then I'm just back at the map screen with no ships, nothing happening when I click buttons, no nothing?
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I finally succeeded in making a heavier version of the Lightning It's upgunned to 3 guns (130mm), significantly more nimble and faster than the Lightning (but a bit flimsier than the Lightning, so watch out), and costs under 20k. Much like the Lightning it has zero armor but with 1029km/h speed, 11.4 thrust/weight ratio, 6 maneuvering thrusters, a solid disc shape and a profile not much larger than the Lightning itself it's even easier to get out of harm's way. 7x4 seems to be a strong candidate for brick size, I'm finding that Square bricks get too wobbly and topheavy, and horizontal rectangle bricks are ideal because you can fit in more thrusters relative to total surface area. You can stick armor on the sides of it and still maintain over 700km/h speed and 7.8 thrust/weight which is comparable to a Lightning but slightly slower but I'm not convinced that side armor is worth dropping speed for - maneuvering up/down to avoid horizontal shots is much easier than horizontal movement to avoid vertical shots. Armor across the top brings it to 734km/h and 8.2 thrust/weight - but at the end of a day with a ship this maneuverable I'd rather keep the maneuverability and use a lot of empty space between me and bullets as my armor Ultimately this is just paying an extra ~10k for 50% more firepower and trading off reinforced hull pieces for more mobility. Note: It does not have any flares, escape pods, or sensors (but it does have fuel fire protection and room for 2 flares or escape pods if you want) If anyone wants it here's the png https://drive.google.com/file/d/1TESEk9l528rdLeEKzwWKoBjS3sWFGaZJ/view?usp=sharing and the .seria https://drive.google.com/file/d/1yk5NzlqIgAVIAEbfjlGp9qVjc14B7mPI/view?usp=sharing e: It has minimal fuel because I always keep a bunch of these bad boys around, which hold fuel equivalent to 20 small fuel tanks while moving really fast and barely using any fuel themselves, and only cost 1650 gold 
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Can we put this in the OP somewhere? Since there isn't any steamworks available for the game right now, I created a google sheet for listing player created ships, so people don't have to flip through every page in the thread to find what they're looking for. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/15aJC186FB5JM08b-mJH7rPZ9XugdU_cJMh84P9Y4g0E/edit#gid=0 The list is open to everyone, so feel free to add to it. In fact I encourage it. Back Hack fucked around with this message at 21:15 on Aug 5, 2021 |
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deep dish peat moss posted:significantly more nimble and faster than the Lightning Is the pilot ever conscious?
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Vizuyos posted:Is the pilot ever conscious? It's so fast it almost solves that problem - moving out of the way of shots is a fairly quick movement which gives you time to sit still, line up shots and let your pilot regain consciousness
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Is it entirely reinforced hull? I have a design with four 130mm cannons and the same maneuver jets (less fixed engines tho) and it’s almost as fast. Not reinforced however so it’s pretty flimsy. Find I rarely get hit so it doesn’t much matter
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Does anyone know what influences the chance of the fire suppression working? There's clearly something inherent to ship design that affects the chance, because it usually works on the stock ships, but literally never ever actually extinguishes fires on my armored brick no matter how many charges I pop.
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