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loquacius
Oct 21, 2008

Like "lol Dick Cheney's gonna have a heart attack and die lmao" yeah we should be so lucky

How naive we were lol

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spacemang_spliff
Nov 29, 2014

wide pickle

loquacius posted:

I remember a Daily Show ep from during the 2000 election cycle where there were a ton of jokes about Dick Cheney's heart problems, because this was considered to be the biggest problem with him

Now here we are 20 years and millions of war deaths later, and the motherfucker is still alive

being evil sustains these liches

Excelzior
Jun 24, 2013

the hard times are affecting all of us; Kissinger and Cheney's phylacteries have to share a crypt to cut back on costs

Probably Magic
Oct 9, 2012

Looking cute, feeling cute.
Bernie is a committed incrementalist, someone who believes that any improvement, any shift left, no matter how small, justifies itself. It's why he's a Democrat, it's why he supports Democrats, it's why he caucused with Democrats as an independent. The thing is, there's such improvement as so marginal as to be irrelevant, and poo poo like global warming or immigrant death camps aren't something you can play horseshoes with. It sounds all very noble, getting whatever possible skim of good you can, until you believe that this kind of thinking would not have ended the Holocaust or American slavery, so on, so forth.

I'm not entirely sure what AOC's deal is, or the rest of the squad. Maybe similar, though leaving FTV to die doesn't even seem incrementalist. The Democratic Party in general, though, is not dedicated to doing any good whatsoever, and has obviously become much more concerned "beating the socialist" as Biden loves to say than being an opposition party. I think Bernie understands that America is a hypercapitalist country, one that will never turn left, and he's on a Quixotic mission to "make the best of it." I don't think he ever wanted to be president, not even in 2020, certainly not in 2016, he just wanted to move the platform left. When that's the extent of your ambitions, of course you satisfy yourself that you did good when there's a minor rhetoric change or a promise that might not otherwise have been delivered. It's the way of sleeping at night. In much the same way that "hopeful" Obama was one of the most cynical presidents we've ever had, Bernie is the most resigned, least revolutionary ones despite his framing. What's important is some glacial move in some vaguely leftward direction. In that sense, he shares a lot with D&D. In also that sense, he absolutely wasn't the president for all the people who I met who believed in him, who worked lovely-rear end minimum wage jobs and need healthcare yesterday and need their college debt forgiven if they ever want to get married. Those people don't get to have a candidate. They can just get hosed by the United States of America in perpetuity.

Happy Noodle Boy
Jul 3, 2002


the total disregard and complete disdain the Democratic Party has for the left is incredible to watch. they’re not even trying to be subtle about it anymore.

they might hate the left more than republicans.

Shen Long
May 29, 2021

by Athanatos

GoLambo posted:

I honestly just have trouble believing that Bernie, AOC etc aren't just incredibly loving stupid and privileged people, like much of D&D.

I don't think they really have coherent ideologies or worldviews, or even strategy. They're socialites flying by the seat of their pants to happened to pick the "politics" lifepath and absorb words and information around them in a way that is socially useful, and they follow the systems laid out in front of them. That's it. It's all lizard brain poo poo, bouncing conversations off staffers and higher ups and people all talking about the way things are and they just bumble through the process. Look how easy it is to sound like you know what you're talking about without internalizing anything in the intellectual sphere you're pulling from, we have an entire sub-forum right next door positively dedicated to just not getting it. Minutiae to be argued over, gossip and moralizing, but no actual organizing to challenge power. There are donation drives and shoutouts, there is "canvasing," but a lack of even the most basic on the ground organizational militancy you might expect actual political parties to exercise beyond whatever is in the service of committee budgets and the whims of party higher ups.

They aren't lazy, or even necessarily sell outs (though this point is kind of hard to argue because oodles of them are). Nothing occurring has actually shaken them and made them rise to the moment, to make actual hard decisions or take a real stand. They make no effort to seize power because there is no real need or immediacy for someone in that position to seize any degree of power beyond personal enrichment in this country period, just swaths of people with a stake in the system as it stands always nudging it all back into place. There are careers of course, and there are owners, but there is no mass organization, I think you can comfortably say there is barely even organization among western elites. There is only the self, and Moloch. What actually exists is a mass imperial consciousness, the opposite of class consciousness, where all life paths are marketized and only those adapted to those forces participate to any meaningful degree. The only mechanisms of force are those that enforce privilege and market domination. If you are "fitting in" enough to even get on the news in a world like this without bombing someone your brain has to be adapted to that environment, which melts your intellect and capacity to truly reason because you always have an out, you can always just go back to being a privileged dipshit who fails upwards. They are completely divorced from imperial policy because it doesn't meaningfully effect them in any way.

Bernie Sanders could call up a TV interview tomorrow and start an honest to god guns and bullets class war in this country by just saying the right words on national TV. He doesn't have a reason to however, because he's comfortable.

Political change is only going to come from the disenfranchised, the exploited. They are the only people with an actual stake in anything changing.

:yeah:

mcmagic
Jul 1, 2004

If you see this avatar while scrolling the succ zone, you have been visited by the mcmagic of shitty lib takes! Good luck and prosperity will come to you, but only if you reply "shut the fuck up mcmagic" to this post!

Happy Noodle Boy posted:

the total disregard and complete disdain the Democratic Party has for the left is incredible to watch. they’re not even trying to be subtle about it anymore.

they might hate the left more than republicans.

Might?

Good soup!
Nov 2, 2010

Probably Magic posted:

Bernie is a committed incrementalist, someone who believes that any improvement, any shift left, no matter how small, justifies itself. It's why he's a Democrat, it's why he supports Democrats, it's why he caucused with Democrats as an independent. The thing is, there's such improvement as so marginal as to be irrelevant, and poo poo like global warming or immigrant death camps aren't something you can play horseshoes with. It sounds all very noble, getting whatever possible skim of good you can, until you believe that this kind of thinking would not have ended the Holocaust or American slavery, so on, so forth.

I'm not entirely sure what AOC's deal is, or the rest of the squad. Maybe similar, though leaving FTV to die doesn't even seem incrementalist. The Democratic Party in general, though, is not dedicated to doing any good whatsoever, and has obviously become much more concerned "beating the socialist" as Biden loves to say than being an opposition party. I think Bernie understands that America is a hypercapitalist country, one that will never turn left, and he's on a Quixotic mission to "make the best of it." I don't think he ever wanted to be president, not even in 2020, certainly not in 2016, he just wanted to move the platform left. When that's the extent of your ambitions, of course you satisfy yourself that you did good when there's a minor rhetoric change or a promise that might not otherwise have been delivered. It's the way of sleeping at night. In much the same way that "hopeful" Obama was one of the most cynical presidents we've ever had, Bernie is the most resigned, least revolutionary ones despite his framing. What's important is some glacial move in some vaguely leftward direction. In that sense, he shares a lot with D&D. In also that sense, he absolutely wasn't the president for all the people who I met who believed in him, who worked lovely-rear end minimum wage jobs and need healthcare yesterday and need their college debt forgiven if they ever want to get married. Those people don't get to have a candidate. They can just get hosed by the United States of America in perpetuity.

HallelujahLee
May 3, 2009

Probably Magic posted:

Bernie is a committed incrementalist, someone who believes that any improvement, any shift left, no matter how small, justifies itself. It's why he's a Democrat, it's why he supports Democrats, it's why he caucused with Democrats as an independent. The thing is, there's such improvement as so marginal as to be irrelevant, and poo poo like global warming or immigrant death camps aren't something you can play horseshoes with. It sounds all very noble, getting whatever possible skim of good you can, until you believe that this kind of thinking would not have ended the Holocaust or American slavery, so on, so forth.

I'm not entirely sure what AOC's deal is, or the rest of the squad. Maybe similar, though leaving FTV to die doesn't even seem incrementalist. The Democratic Party in general, though, is not dedicated to doing any good whatsoever, and has obviously become much more concerned "beating the socialist" as Biden loves to say than being an opposition party. I think Bernie understands that America is a hypercapitalist country, one that will never turn left, and he's on a Quixotic mission to "make the best of it." I don't think he ever wanted to be president, not even in 2020, certainly not in 2016, he just wanted to move the platform left. When that's the extent of your ambitions, of course you satisfy yourself that you did good when there's a minor rhetoric change or a promise that might not otherwise have been delivered. It's the way of sleeping at night. In much the same way that "hopeful" Obama was one of the most cynical presidents we've ever had, Bernie is the most resigned, least revolutionary ones despite his framing. What's important is some glacial move in some vaguely leftward direction. In that sense, he shares a lot with D&D. In also that sense, he absolutely wasn't the president for all the people who I met who believed in him, who worked lovely-rear end minimum wage jobs and need healthcare yesterday and need their college debt forgiven if they ever want to get married. Those people don't get to have a candidate. They can just get hosed by the United States of America in perpetuity.

fart simpson
Jul 2, 2005

DEATH TO AMERICA
:xickos:

spacemang_spliff posted:

I've been listening to the blowback podcast on Cuba because I'm a lazy gently caress who doesn't read books.

lmao at any so called leftist that doesn't support the revolution. Fidel Castro was right

same op

Lib and let die
Aug 26, 2004

Excelzior posted:

his heart is fine it's just hard to pump all of the blood required for his massive unit

really queer Christmas
Apr 22, 2014

Probably Magic posted:

Bernie is a committed incrementalist, someone who believes that any improvement, any shift left, no matter how small, justifies itself. It's why he's a Democrat, it's why he supports Democrats, it's why he caucused with Democrats as an independent. The thing is, there's such improvement as so marginal as to be irrelevant, and poo poo like global warming or immigrant death camps aren't something you can play horseshoes with. It sounds all very noble, getting whatever possible skim of good you can, until you believe that this kind of thinking would not have ended the Holocaust or American slavery, so on, so forth.

I'm not entirely sure what AOC's deal is, or the rest of the squad. Maybe similar, though leaving FTV to die doesn't even seem incrementalist. The Democratic Party in general, though, is not dedicated to doing any good whatsoever, and has obviously become much more concerned "beating the socialist" as Biden loves to say than being an opposition party. I think Bernie understands that America is a hypercapitalist country, one that will never turn left, and he's on a Quixotic mission to "make the best of it." I don't think he ever wanted to be president, not even in 2020, certainly not in 2016, he just wanted to move the platform left. When that's the extent of your ambitions, of course you satisfy yourself that you did good when there's a minor rhetoric change or a promise that might not otherwise have been delivered. It's the way of sleeping at night. In much the same way that "hopeful" Obama was one of the most cynical presidents we've ever had, Bernie is the most resigned, least revolutionary ones despite his framing. What's important is some glacial move in some vaguely leftward direction. In that sense, he shares a lot with D&D. In also that sense, he absolutely wasn't the president for all the people who I met who believed in him, who worked lovely-rear end minimum wage jobs and need healthcare yesterday and need their college debt forgiven if they ever want to get married. Those people don't get to have a candidate. They can just get hosed by the United States of America in perpetuity.

Crusader
Apr 11, 2002

Probably Magic posted:

Bernie is a committed incrementalist, someone who believes that any improvement, any shift left, no matter how small, justifies itself. It's why he's a Democrat, it's why he supports Democrats, it's why he caucused with Democrats as an independent. The thing is, there's such improvement as so marginal as to be irrelevant, and poo poo like global warming or immigrant death camps aren't something you can play horseshoes with. It sounds all very noble, getting whatever possible skim of good you can, until you believe that this kind of thinking would not have ended the Holocaust or American slavery, so on, so forth.

I'm not entirely sure what AOC's deal is, or the rest of the squad. Maybe similar, though leaving FTV to die doesn't even seem incrementalist. The Democratic Party in general, though, is not dedicated to doing any good whatsoever, and has obviously become much more concerned "beating the socialist" as Biden loves to say than being an opposition party. I think Bernie understands that America is a hypercapitalist country, one that will never turn left, and he's on a Quixotic mission to "make the best of it." I don't think he ever wanted to be president, not even in 2020, certainly not in 2016, he just wanted to move the platform left. When that's the extent of your ambitions, of course you satisfy yourself that you did good when there's a minor rhetoric change or a promise that might not otherwise have been delivered. It's the way of sleeping at night. In much the same way that "hopeful" Obama was one of the most cynical presidents we've ever had, Bernie is the most resigned, least revolutionary ones despite his framing. What's important is some glacial move in some vaguely leftward direction. In that sense, he shares a lot with D&D. In also that sense, he absolutely wasn't the president for all the people who I met who believed in him, who worked lovely-rear end minimum wage jobs and need healthcare yesterday and need their college debt forgiven if they ever want to get married. Those people don't get to have a candidate. They can just get hosed by the United States of America in perpetuity.

Vomik
Jul 29, 2003

This post is dedicated to the brave Mujahideen fighters of Afghanistan

Excelzior posted:

Bernie and AOC are what happens when you feint being really far left in college to get laid, and it works.

This is entirely unnacceptable to the Obamas of the world.

didn't obamas autobiography mention that he read marx to try to pick up girls in college? i know its something outrageous like that

sw0cb
Feb 18, 2007
Bernie is a committed incrementalist, someone who believes that any improvement, any shift left, no matter how small, justifies itself. It's why he's a Democrat, it's why he supports Democrats, it's why he caucused with Democrats as an independent. The thing is, there's such improvement as so marginal as to be irrelevant, and poo poo like global warming or immigrant death camps aren't something you can play horseshoes with. It sounds all very noble, getting whatever possible skim of good you can, until you believe that this kind of thinking would not have ended the Holocaust or American slavery, so on, so forth.

I'm not entirely sure what AOC's deal is, or the rest of the squad. Maybe similar, though leaving FTV to die doesn't even seem incrementalist. The Democratic Party in general, though, is not dedicated to doing any good whatsoever, and has obviously become much more concerned "beating the socialist" as Biden loves to say than being an opposition party. I think Bernie understands that America is a hypercapitalist country, one that will never turn left, and he's on a Quixotic mission to "make the best of it." I don't think he ever wanted to be president, not even in 2020, certainly not in 2016, he just wanted to move the platform left. When that's the extent of your ambitions, of course you satisfy yourself that you did good when there's a minor rhetoric change or a promise that might not otherwise have been delivered. It's the way of sleeping at night. In much the same way that "hopeful" Obama was one of the most cynical presidents we've ever had, Bernie is the most resigned, least revolutionary ones despite his framing. What's important is some glacial move in some vaguely leftward direction. In that sense, he shares a lot with D&D. In also that sense, he absolutely wasn't the president for all the people who I met who believed in him, who worked lovely-rear end minimum wage jobs and need healthcare yesterday and need their college debt forgiven if they ever want to get married. Those people don't get to have a candidate. They can just get hosed by the United States of America in perpetuity.

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1423257865297539078

lobster shirt
Jun 14, 2021

whom amongst us has not spent massive amounts of time with a known pedophile and sex trafficker

Lib and let die
Aug 26, 2004


At least he just hung around on the tarmac for a few hours while his buddy Jeff tended to some private business.

Jel Shaker
Apr 19, 2003


oops all 13 year olds

Lib and let die
Aug 26, 2004

Vomik posted:

didn't obamas autobiography mention that he read marx to try to pick up girls in college? i know its something outrageous like that

https://twitter.com/daniel_dsj2110/status/1328870823051063296

bedpan
Apr 23, 2008

lobster shirt posted:

whom amongst us has not spent massive amounts of time with a known pedophile and sex trafficker

bill knew and he either didn't care or was delighted by Epstein's conduct

PoontifexMacksimus
Feb 14, 2012

gradenko_2000 posted:

The Rock is gonna run

and he's gonna WIN

he is gonna be President tho, not just governor

PoontifexMacksimus
Feb 14, 2012

GoLambo posted:

I honestly just have trouble believing that Bernie, AOC etc aren't just incredibly loving stupid and privileged people, like much of D&D.

I don't think they really have coherent ideologies or worldviews, or even strategy. They're socialites flying by the seat of their pants to happened to pick the "politics" lifepath and absorb words and information around them in a way that is socially useful, and they follow the systems laid out in front of them. That's it. It's all lizard brain poo poo, bouncing conversations off staffers and higher ups and people all talking about the way things are and they just bumble through the process. Look how easy it is to sound like you know what you're talking about without internalizing anything in the intellectual sphere you're pulling from, we have an entire sub-forum right next door positively dedicated to just not getting it. Minutiae to be argued over, gossip and moralizing, but no actual organizing to challenge power. There are donation drives and shoutouts, there is "canvasing," but a lack of even the most basic on the ground organizational militancy you might expect actual political parties to exercise beyond whatever is in the service of committee budgets and the whims of party higher ups.

They aren't lazy, or even necessarily sell outs (though this point is kind of hard to argue because oodles of them are). Nothing occurring has actually shaken them and made them rise to the moment, to make actual hard decisions or take a real stand. They make no effort to seize power because there is no real need or immediacy for someone in that position to seize any degree of power beyond personal enrichment in this country period, just swaths of people with a stake in the system as it stands always nudging it all back into place. There are careers of course, and there are owners, but there is no mass organization, I think you can comfortably say there is barely even organization among western elites. There is only the self, and Moloch. What actually exists is a mass imperial consciousness, the opposite of class consciousness, where all life paths are marketized and only those adapted to those forces participate to any meaningful degree. The only mechanisms of force are those that enforce privilege and market domination. If you are "fitting in" enough to even get on the news in a world like this without bombing someone your brain has to be adapted to that environment, which melts your intellect and capacity to truly reason because you always have an out, you can always just go back to being a privileged dipshit who fails upwards. They are completely divorced from imperial policy because it doesn't meaningfully effect them in any way.

Bernie Sanders could call up a TV interview tomorrow and start an honest to god guns and bullets class war in this country by just saying the right words on national TV. He doesn't have a reason to however, because he's comfortable.

Political change is only going to come from the disenfranchised, the exploited. They are the only people with an actual stake in anything changing.

Lib and let die
Aug 26, 2004

PoontifexMacksimus posted:

he is gonna be President tho, not just governor

So what you're saying is that....Idiocracy is basically a documentary?

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

PoontifexMacksimus posted:

he is gonna be President tho, not just governor

i hope rocky is kicking himself for not jumping into the CA clown show. he'd easily get 50% like arnold

FrancisFukyomama
Feb 4, 2019

India Walton, the dsa buffalo mayor, has been talking a lot about worker ownership through coops which is at least sorta closer to what I’d expect from a socialist

DACK FAYDEN
Feb 25, 2013

Bear Witness


it's all I can think of every single loving time

and like it's kinda racist because stupid wojak meme formatting is, but

comedyblissoption
Mar 15, 2006

GoLambo posted:

I honestly just have trouble believing that Bernie, AOC etc aren't just incredibly loving stupid and privileged people, like much of D&D.

I don't think they really have coherent ideologies or worldviews, or even strategy. They're socialites flying by the seat of their pants to happened to pick the "politics" lifepath and absorb words and information around them in a way that is socially useful, and they follow the systems laid out in front of them. That's it. It's all lizard brain poo poo, bouncing conversations off staffers and higher ups and people all talking about the way things are and they just bumble through the process. Look how easy it is to sound like you know what you're talking about without internalizing anything in the intellectual sphere you're pulling from, we have an entire sub-forum right next door positively dedicated to just not getting it. Minutiae to be argued over, gossip and moralizing, but no actual organizing to challenge power. There are donation drives and shoutouts, there is "canvasing," but a lack of even the most basic on the ground organizational militancy you might expect actual political parties to exercise beyond whatever is in the service of committee budgets and the whims of party higher ups.

They aren't lazy, or even necessarily sell outs (though this point is kind of hard to argue because oodles of them are). Nothing occurring has actually shaken them and made them rise to the moment, to make actual hard decisions or take a real stand. They make no effort to seize power because there is no real need or immediacy for someone in that position to seize any degree of power beyond personal enrichment in this country period, just swaths of people with a stake in the system as it stands always nudging it all back into place. There are careers of course, and there are owners, but there is no mass organization, I think you can comfortably say there is barely even organization among western elites. There is only the self, and Moloch. What actually exists is a mass imperial consciousness, the opposite of class consciousness, where all life paths are marketized and only those adapted to those forces participate to any meaningful degree. The only mechanisms of force are those that enforce privilege and market domination. If you are "fitting in" enough to even get on the news in a world like this without bombing someone your brain has to be adapted to that environment, which melts your intellect and capacity to truly reason because you always have an out, you can always just go back to being a privileged dipshit who fails upwards. They are completely divorced from imperial policy because it doesn't meaningfully effect them in any way.

Bernie Sanders could call up a TV interview tomorrow and start an honest to god guns and bullets class war in this country by just saying the right words on national TV. He doesn't have a reason to however, because he's comfortable.

Political change is only going to come from the disenfranchised, the exploited. They are the only people with an actual stake in anything changing.
aoc lied and gaslighted her followers about 2 votes off the top of my head

aoc blatantly lied that she would have voted against the CARES act. she did a video interview taking credit for its passage.

aoc voted present on giving $2 billion to DC cops. if she voted no, this vote would have failed. she presented her vote as opposition to her supporters.

aoc no longer calls the child concentration camps concentration camps now that we have rapist president (D).

aoc is now saying having a floor vote on m4a hurts m4a when she was before complaining that they couldnt even get a m4a floor vote

let's dispel once and for all with this fiction that aoc doesn't know what she's doing. she knows exactly what she's doing

Excelzior
Jun 24, 2013

chris christie is so fat even his name doesn't fit in one word

comedyblissoption
Mar 15, 2006

remember that pelosi used to be for single payer for all the empty rhetorical platitude reasons.

did she have a change of heart? or was she always actually just a cynical fucker? stop giving politicians the benefit of the doubt lmao

Excelzior
Jun 24, 2013

aoc was a kennedy intern
pelosi got dicked by a kennedy

:thunk:

mcmagic
Jul 1, 2004

If you see this avatar while scrolling the succ zone, you have been visited by the mcmagic of shitty lib takes! Good luck and prosperity will come to you, but only if you reply "shut the fuck up mcmagic" to this post!
https://twitter.com/fedjudges/status/1422970804329975810

lol dem voters love the guy who's life's work is to make it impossible for them to win elections. true cucks.

Excelzior
Jun 24, 2013

mcmagic posted:

https://twitter.com/fedjudges/status/1422970804329975810

lol dem voters love the guy who's life's work is to make it impossible for them to win elections. true cucks.

I can't comment on the survey's accuracy but it certainly confirms my preconceived notion that Roberts, as he currently attempts to be the embodiement of :decorum:, would be popular with liberals

now when he feels sufficiently confident in his ~legacy~ to TRULY enact his agenda, people might not appreciate him as much...

RealityWarCriminal
Aug 10, 2016

:o:
the neocon to democrat realignment is real

mcmagic
Jul 1, 2004

If you see this avatar while scrolling the succ zone, you have been visited by the mcmagic of shitty lib takes! Good luck and prosperity will come to you, but only if you reply "shut the fuck up mcmagic" to this post!

Excelzior posted:

I can't comment on the survey's accuracy but it certainly confirms my preconceived notion that Roberts, as he currently attempts to be the embodiement of :decorum:, would be popular with liberals

now when he feels sufficiently confident in his ~legacy~ to TRULY enact his agenda, people might not appreciate him as much...

He already did it when he killed the VRA and libs love him apparently.

fits my needs
Jan 1, 2011

Grimey Drawer
https://twitter.com/SenSchumer/status/1423290607603048459?s=20

Lib and let die
Aug 26, 2004


I hope he was tweeting this while safely buckled into his limo. It would be just awful if he were to be ejected from the vehicle in a high speed crash and we never got this important, decisive tweet.

loquacius
Oct 21, 2008

mcmagic posted:

https://twitter.com/fedjudges/status/1422970804329975810

lol dem voters love the guy who's life's work is to make it impossible for them to win elections. true cucks.

IIRC he was the deciding vote to defeat the Obamacare constitutionality challenge and as we all know Obamacare permanently solved healthcare forever

Nichael
Mar 30, 2011


Would the imaginary Bailey collective make a better President than rapist, Joe Biden?

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Eggplant Squire
Aug 14, 2003


mcmagic posted:

https://twitter.com/fedjudges/status/1422970804329975810

lol dem voters love the guy who's life's work is to make it impossible for them to win elections. true cucks.

Just embarrassing.

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