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Guavanaut posted:One of my reading lists recommended this book so at least someone's looking into it There was also a lot of female seperatism and political lesbianism, and you can draw a pretty straight line between that and "a man absolutely cannot become a woman are you loving kidding me?"
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Kokoro Wish posted:I remember when I was a kid in middle school, we were taught in Geography that we were expecting a new ice-age in about 30-50 years, due to the Gulf Stream being shut off due to excess fresh water melt from glaciers, fjords and polar ice caps shutting the salt water transport down. Also, that this was a predicted, cyclical thing. Yeah I remember this too. Before CFCs and global warming became a Thing in like the late 80s, the 70s was convinced we were all going to freeze to death. Of course, we also had a Special Assembly circa 1990 which confidently predicted I personally would be underwater by now, so, y'know.
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Aug 6, 2021 10:19
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Oh dear me posted:I don't think anyone changed their minds. Admittedly I only became aware of feminism in the 70s but at that time there was a divide between egalitarian feminists, who thought the sort of things you mention for the 60s, and Radical Feminists, who were more focused on stressing the excellence of 'feminine' traits/habits vs 'masculine' ones. They had a point, which was that womanly things were despised and should not be, but it was always very easy to slip over into bolstering gender roles rather than challenging them. And that's not wrong, the expectation that it was a man's job to work hard and a woman's job to have babies and do the dishes which isn't real work anyway was not just alive but dominant back then, and access to birth control, abortion, sanitary products, etc. are still used as pathways of social dominance in 2021 and they shouldn't be, but it's the bit where they run that into doctrinal biological absolutism where it all goes bad. Which I guess again is just more 'better things aren't possible'.
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Aug 6, 2021 10:19
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feedmegin posted:Yeah I remember this too. Before CFCs and global warming became a Thing in like the late 80s, the 70s was convinced we were all going to freeze to death. Of course, we also had a Special Assembly circa 1990 which confidently predicted I personally would be underwater by now, so, y'know. It was the big climate scare of the 70s - the theory went that high-altitude aerosols from air travel, and low-altitude particulates, would block enough sunlight to significantly cool the earth. There's a modern version of the theory that this effect is actually real and in fact that global warming should be considerably worse than it is but is actually being checked by it - this version is popular with Big Science types who believe we can deliberately increase it. Now personally I prefer the other Big Science theory to fix the problem - it's strongly suspected that the main trigger for the current ice age (which, like I say, we're just in a brief pause from) was the raising of the Himalayas which, through weathering of the granite, sequestered a huge amount of CO2 from the atmosphere. As such all you need to do is increase the amount of granite weathering by, erm, nuking the Himalayas into gravel. This would also have the side effect of increasing the amount of rainfall in the Gobi, opening up a huge new area of arable land. Now admittedly you would need a *lot* of nukes to do this, and Nepal would probably have something to say about it, but the science at least checks out.
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Aug 6, 2021 10:39
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You could just go to Tawang and start throwing rocks at people and what Nepal has to say about it would matter very little.
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Aug 6, 2021 10:54
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Bobby Deluxe posted:1. I have been thinking a lot about gender of late. Saw this last night: (What does “sniping open an egg” mean? I’m guessing it means helping somebody discover they’re trans?)
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Aug 6, 2021 11:22
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Egg is the term for someone who has not yet realised they are trans. Or like, someone who could be if they were exposed to the right ideas? However you want to phrase it/interpret it. So an egg cracking is someone coming to that realization. OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 11:29 on Aug 6, 2021 |
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Aug 6, 2021 11:26
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TACD posted:I don’t know how I feel about this; yeah, I’d love to have been born a woman but mostly just for perv sex reasons – I don’t feel like I actually am a woman on the inside, and I don’t hate my body for gender reasons. I don’t want to start calling myself trans and polluting the term for people who are actually trans. An egg is generally a trans person in denial, so cracking the eggshell is them slowly coming to a realisation that maybe, perhaps, they aren't cis.
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Aug 6, 2021 11:28
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That's a really nice imagery. I never heard it before.
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Aug 6, 2021 11:31
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OwlFancier posted:I have taken up crochet, for medical reasons. Extremely many moons ago, we had an elderly male neighbour who used to do beautiful crochet work. I think he'd been in the Merchant Navy or something. But I was only about 10 then so can't recall precisely. Gonzo McFee posted:The flip side of this is if you try to make things better some of the Brits will howl with rage at the idea of things improving somewhat. Spotted on reddit: quote:Subreddit Icon
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Aug 6, 2021 11:36
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Feeling nostalgic for when the track official saw Usain Bolt and tried to shoot his own radio with the starting pistol.
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Aug 6, 2021 11:42
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RE: The apocalypse and collapse of society: The statistic that goes around about Britain not being self sufficient enough to feed it's population is currently true BUT doesn't necessarily have to be. We grow a lot of lovely inefficient crops which are good to trade for other food but otherwise useless for the most part (rapeseed etc) and too much land is reserved for grazers(cows, sheep). The other side of this is what we eat. We can't currently feed the population given what they like to eat (too much meat!), but it's definitely possible to feed them enough to live on. This is probably obvious for some but food in particular is one of the facets of our life that has been damaged by capitalism and we only eat what's profitable to grow, not necessarily what's good for us. Of course if the gulf stream collapses then we are actually hosed food wise.
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Aug 6, 2021 11:58
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About the worst thing you can do to yourself if you are worried about climate change/civilisation collapsing is to just obsessively read and share articles on how badly things are hosed- if you think things are hosed, congratulations, you are right- now either go do something about it or instead ignore it all and live out your life enjoying what's left while you can because it hasn't ended yet. gently caress the kind of miserable existence exemplified by  "I'm gonna read article after study after report on how bad and terrible things are and whine about it then I'm gonna read more" because it doomspirals right in on itself and you will never be short of worse news to read, view, like, comment, share and subscribe- capitalism and the algorithm makes sure theres profiteering even on this particular miseryI spent about 2 years in that kind of vicious cycle, and I don't recommend it at all, go pick up a shovel and/or appreciate a bee instead
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Aug 6, 2021 12:02
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Returning to the 'source of oppression' point regarding feminism, that's why Marxism is a great theoretical and practical lense for looking at things. If you put oppression as coming from a clash between independent natural or biological differences like sex or race then there's no real way of solving it because you've started from a position of unreconcilable difference and therefore must arrive at a conclusion of total separation or an incredibly uneasy and (from your own perspective!) unnatural tolerance between the groups rather than achievable changes that society can make to create freedom and peace for all. Marxism however looks at how categories of oppression arise from class society as the economic processes of the classes require the shaping and directing of oppressed groups in all kinds of social forms to keep that exploitation flowing from the exploited class and while these other oppressions take on a semi-independent existence from class oppression they are nevertheless utterly shaped by it. Tackling racism means looking at the need of capitalism to justify turning groups of people into commodities for integration into colonical empires resource extraction economies and the development of scientific racism in that process and tackling sexism under capitalism means looking at how peasant households were turned from subsistence units where there was plenty of production in the home into proletarian households where a (male) free labourer had to travel to factories while the woman was increasingly relegated to a non-economic role except for sustaining the labourer when they returned home and raising the next generation of labourers, until suddenly it wasn't and then everyone needed to work again. You still understand the problem, you still organise to fight it but you don't draw those same dark conclusions about possible outcomes as when oppression has an innate source within humanity rather than being a purely social phenomenon driven by class needs.
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Aug 6, 2021 12:02
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Thinking along those lines, it's also interesting how with all the talk about automation (round 3?) coming for all our jobs, it's very rare that women get discussed as part of that. Like many women worked either out of their homes or in local pubs and so on as clothes washers, dishwashers, carpet cleaners, and other roles that have been turned from paying jobs into things you'd find on Appliances Direct, and that automation coincided with a lot of women going into the office and retail, yet the story is always "war sent all the men away and the women went into the factories then feminism happened and they didn't want to leave" with either Rosie the Riveter or complaints about wage suppression and the 'traditional family' depending on who's writing it, but "single income was a myth and working women were among the first automated out" never gets a look in on the popular stage.
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Aug 6, 2021 12:35
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DesperateDan posted:About the worst thing you can do to yourself if you are worried about climate change/civilisation collapsing is to just obsessively read and share articles on how badly things are hosed- if you think things are hosed, congratulations, you are right- now either go do something about it or instead ignore it all and live out your life enjoying what's left while you can because it hasn't ended yet. I had to put myself on permanent time out on the subject years ago because even seeing the words 'Climate Change' can put me on a weeks to months long downward spiral, and have sorta done what you're saying. Although about the only response I can muster is basically treating life as one decade or so long hedonistic end of the world party, so it almost solely revolves around drinkin and drugs. I know I should be trying to build a life or trying to do something about the apocalypse but I struggle to see the point. Ah well The thing no-one talks about when it comes to despair is how intensely freeing it is. Although I do think my relationships with both my 'loved' ones and humanity in general have suffered greatly. The other thing about despair is that it does tend to make you disappear up your own fudament
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Aug 6, 2021 12:50
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Keir Starmer is this sketch but it's relaunches instead of gay relapses: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thPZtDCWQ-Y
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Aug 6, 2021 12:56
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I have shaped the kind of psychology where reading about the failures and doom of mankind is interesting rather than depressing, it genuinely doesn't upset me at all I'm just sad I won't see all of it. but I'll be laid low for hours if I remember the time gave money to a guy who wasn't homeless
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Aug 6, 2021 13:01
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Communist Thoughts posted:I have shaped the kind of psychology where reading about the failures and doom of mankind is interesting rather than depressing, it genuinely doesn't upset me at all I'm just sad I won't see all of it. Lol. Same though, I'm reading a bunch of Kim Stanley Robinson, plus IPCC reports, and the climate change thread here, and it's all just abstract and fascinating. Maybe if I had kids I'd be a bit more personally invested in imagining their futures, but as it is I just consider myself wildly fortunate to be born where I was, at the time I was, such that I will get to live most of my life in unparalleled luxury
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Aug 6, 2021 13:12
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Yeah lack of kids is almost certainly the key now you mention it
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Aug 6, 2021 13:24
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I have a twenty month old niece who is probably the person I can still come closest to 'loving' in the world and every interaction I have with her is at once great and extremely, extremely painful. Plus I'm starting to come to terms with the fact that I actually did/still do want kids but recognise I'm too old and too broke brained to ever make a good parent, and the reason I waited so long and the reason I'm quite broke brained about it is, well, the coming apocalypse Also I struggle ethically with the idea of just lmao-yoloing about the fates of people to come and just partying 20s style, even if I can't actually help them personally, much like I do about people in the global south But what the gently caress else is there to do lmao, I'm gonna hit the beers hardy party tonight lads
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Aug 6, 2021 13:30
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forkboy84 posted:I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or actually think this parody is funny? That's on me yeah sorry if it wasn't clear, that account has only one joke and it's "how dare people who don't work down pit consider themselves working class"
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Aug 6, 2021 13:58
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I think it'll all be alright in the end.
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Aug 6, 2021 14:10
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Post-apocalyptic worlds chat: I'm torn. On the one hand I like my quite nice life now, but on the other I have fantasies about how I would (and I would) survive in Mad Max land. I have an image of standing on a completely deserted, twisted and wrecked, motorway. As long as I wasn't in Harlan Ellison's Boy and His Dog land!
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Aug 6, 2021 14:12
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I felt that way a bit at the start of the pandemic. It was all pretty exciting to be living through an actual Event! Novelty has long since worn off by now of course, and I'm bleakly amused by my younger self's naivety. I suspect living post collapse will look more like the end of Threads than Kevin Costner's Waterworld, although even that's still making the mistake of thinking life is anything like the telly
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Aug 6, 2021 14:19
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goddamnedtwisto posted:Is that the Britainology one? Weirdly I started listening to that while walking through the Boundary Estate, but just couldn't get on with it, I think because I already know the subject so was just getting annoyed with them for not mentioning x, y or z thing that *I* find interesting. Communist Thoughts posted:But I dunno if I'm just way behind and now "gender isnt real it's purely a social construct" is no longer the prevailing ideology compared to trying to establish new roles.
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Aug 6, 2021 14:40
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Even if gender is just a social construct with no physiological basis, that just puts it on par with race, and so makes 'gender critical' the equivalent of 'I don't even see color' in terms of being useless.quote:Intersectionality is not the morcellation of collectives into a static fuzz of cross-referenced identities, but a political orientation that slices through every particular, refusing the crass pigeonholing of bodies. This is not a universal that can be imposed from above, but built from the bottom up – or, better, laterally, opening new lines of transit across an uneven landscape. This non-absolute, generic universality must guard against the facile tendency of conflation with bloated, unmarked particulars–namely Eurocentric universalism–whereby the male is mistaken for the sexless, the white for raceless, the cis for the real, and so on. Absent such a universal, the abolition of class will remain a bourgeois fantasy, the abolition of race will remain a tacit white-supremacism, and the abolition of gender will remain a thinly veiled misogyny, even–especially–when prosecuted by avowed feminists themselves. (The absurd and reckless spectacle of so many self-proclaimed ‘gender abolitionists’ campaign against trans women is proof enough of this).
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Aug 6, 2021 14:46
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https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/1423637483821096960 I love a good lawyering
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Aug 6, 2021 14:57
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Bobby Deluxe posted:
I’ve always said knickers to gender roles and wear whatever I want and do whatever I like - people just tend to say stuff like “dances to the beat of her own drum” when talking about you. It was a lesson I learned very early from Terry Pratchett when esk figured out that people would rearrange the rules around you if you just ignored them.
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Aug 6, 2021 15:05
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TheRat posted:https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/1423637483821096960 I like how he sidesteps why he might have said that, leaving people open to the idea that he’s merely utterly stupid, rather than maliciously misinterpreting the slogan
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Aug 6, 2021 15:06
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ahahaahahahahahahahahahahhahahaaaa https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1423600809892323328
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Aug 6, 2021 15:13
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I had my Tory mother blame :alarm: the last Labour government :alarm: for the removal of BTECs yesterday. It’s all Blair’s fault and my fault for voting Labour that my kid is about to get hosed over for about £12k “Um I never voted for Blair, I was too young in 1997 for a start” “oh well I don’t want to talk about this”
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Aug 6, 2021 15:17
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New Fudge Released! It's been a busy summer here at Fudjit Towers, and between maintaining supplies of all our usual flavours I gifted myself a bit of time to do some experimentation and try new things out. I took a theme of 'Childhood treats' for three of the new flavours, as well as producing a fourth that has been kicking around in my head for a while now. I'm absolutely stoked with the results. I hope you guys will be too! Brand new flavours this time are: Whamageddon - This is our home-made take on the Wham Bar, that super-sticky tangy tooth destroyer that I had an unfortunate addiction to as a child. Mixed berry fudge surrounds crunchy, tangy Nerds, with the fudge cooked a little longer and with a slightly higher mouisture level to give the trademark chew. Frankly I need this all taken off my hands before I consume it myself. Strawberry Milkshake - It's sweet, creamy, lurid pink and tastes like a solid block of strawberry milkshake. Decorated with pink glimmer sugar, because why not lean into it? Jelly Beanz (Up the Backside) - An old favourite returns for the first time this year, with a reworked recipe. Dairy fudge surrounding mixed-fruit flavoured jelly beans for a mix of creamy, tart, softness and chewiness. Mead - It was requested, it's happened at long last! Made in partnership with Troll's Bottom Brewery, using their superb full-bodied 'Wenches' mead, this is a complex and adult flavour with notes of honey and smokey undertones. In addition to the new flavours we also have the following in stock: Love-Or-Hate - Our infamous and delicious Marmite Fudge Peanut Butter Crunch Lemon Meringue Pie Bakewell Tart Chocolate and Chilli Original Vanilla Dark Chocolate Chocolate Orange Unicorn Barf Veganilla Vegan Biscoff Vegan Cookie All stock is now live at https://www.fudjit.co.uk at £3.50 per 100g(ish) block- Paypal and credit/debit cards accepted As always, use the goon special code 'Roastbeefisbest' to get 5-for-4. Get Fudged!
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Aug 6, 2021 15:19
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Oh man, I am looking forward to that mead fudge.
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Doccykins posted:ahahaahahahahahahahahahahhahahaaaa why the gently caress don't we have a new party yet? this is a loving joke
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Aug 6, 2021 16:09
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Doctor_Fruitbat posted:Oh man, I am looking forward to that mead fudge. Same. Also looking forward to the day when there's Maple (no bacon!) fudge, hint hint! 
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Aug 6, 2021 16:11
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Building on Blair's legacy is such an... odd stance to take, considering Blair's popularity levels these days.
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Aug 6, 2021 16:17
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Pistol_Pete posted:Building on Blair's legacy is such an... odd stance to take, considering Blair's popularity levels these days. Once you realise all Starmer and his people are trying to do is make their very narrow slice of the political and media class feel good about themselves everything makes sense.
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Aug 6, 2021 16:20
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Pistol_Pete posted:Building on Blair's legacy is such an... odd stance to take, considering Blair's popularity levels these days. It's an op op
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Brendan Rodgers posted:It's an op op Is it an overpowered op?
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