Femtosecond posted:

I was kinda expecting the election call today because you'd have a day of the whole "going to the GG" bullshit, then a weekend of not much happening, then full blast Monday.

Maybe though you want to start off the campaign on Monday like a rocket ship with the GG stuff super early morning, then pivoting right into some big rally announcement in the afternoon. I dunno.

apatheticman posted:

https://twitter.com/Weather_West/status/1423707979149234176?s=20

Lets hope BC actually does something this time.

infernal machines posted:

Like what? Catch fire again?

Giggs posted:

infernal machines posted:

Like what? Catch fire again?

Arcsquad12 posted:

And now there's an outbreak in Central Okanagan and they're blaming young people.

Well done BC, I hope Bonnie Henry is enjoying that award they flinged at her.

Baronjutter posted:

I just don't get what the NDP's angle is, like why be pointlessly evil about covid? Why purposefully cause deaths? Is bonnie just still that upset she was proven wrong that just washing your hands isn't enough to defeat covid and that yes, it is airborn and yes masks work?

DynamicSloth posted:

Every flavour of neoliberal hegemon in North America be they Democrat, Republican, Liberal, Conservative or New Democrat has approached the pandemic in precisely the same manner, viewing it as a balancing act between the economy and public health. Now plainly none of them achieved what they wanted because that's a fundamentally brain broken way to approach a public health crisis, but there's enough of an illusion of difference that most of their traditional voting blocks think we weren't all trying the same abysmal approach long after other countries provided superior models.

Having failed fundamentally, the next policy non-distinction will be learning to live with chronic Covid.

PT6A posted:

Nova Scotia exists, actually.

DynamicSloth posted:

Every flavour of neoliberal hegemon in North America be they Democrat, Republican, Liberal, Conservative or New Democrat has approached the pandemic in precisely the same manner, viewing it as a balancing act between the economy and public health. Now plainly none of them achieved what they wanted because that's a fundamentally brain broken way to approach a public health crisis, but there's enough of an illusion of difference that most of their traditional voting blocks think we weren't all trying the same abysmal approach long after other countries provided superior models.

Having failed fundamentally, the next policy non-distinction will be learning to live with chronic Covid.

Crow Buddy posted:

The blaming of youth on not getting vaccinated is dumb and annoying, but my 17 has already had two shots so the 20 year olds being the end of the line is probably not much of an excuse anymore. (Kelowna's actual problem is that it is filled with old people and is basically a suburb of Calgary.)

Crow Buddy posted:

To a greater or lesser extent, every state and provincial government in North America has realized they are in a prisoner's dilemma. Since the US is the way it is, pursuing a Covid zero strategy is a futile effort.

Birudojin posted:

None of the school boards here have posted their reopening plans and if they are going to require masks for under 12 year old kids, Kenney / Hinshaw have basically given up and said everyone gets a dose of covid, and vaccination rates have effectively plateaued, while reported cases in Alberta are 6 times what they were at this point last year, despite a year of people supposedly wearing masks, following rules, and getting shots.

Meanwhile we have two kids who are both actively asking to go to school and actually make friends instead of only seeing immediate family members, with the younger one being so unused to people that he'll hide behind trees when people come to pass him on the sidewalk - and they might both be stuck doing the homeschool thing again this year if we don't want to almost guarantee them a dose of delta variant.

The entire situation feels impossible to choose between as parents. I recognize that we're lucky to even be in a situation where we can make that choice, but this shouldn't be a tough decision to make at this point..

apatheticman posted:

Lets hope BC actually does something this time.

Goosed it. posted:

Same same for BC.

https://twitter.com/MerlinofCanada/status/1423843966374473728?s=20

JawKnee posted:

Not sure I understand what they mean by 'never told you these figures', daily case counts, active cases, and cumulative cases have been available for quite some time

Doctor posted:

I can't believe we are diving headfirst into reopening schools and universities next month. What on earth are they thinking???

Doctor posted:

I can't believe we are diving headfirst into reopening schools and universities next month. What on earth are they thinking???

Jimbozig posted:

Online school does not work for all kids. Some kids will just turn on YouTube and watch that in another tab instead of doing their work.

Jimbozig posted:

I had hoped that masking + vaccines would be enough to get the R below 1, but that does not seem to be the case.

Given that it's not the case and that there is no plausible path to COVID zero over any timescale, I'm wondering what really is the point of not opening up?

Jimbozig posted:

No, obviously staying closed without a plan for how to change the situation is pointless and destructive. Staying closed only makes sense as long as there is a plan for reducing the R so that we can open. What is that plan? What steps can we take to reduce the R beyond vaccines and masks?

Tippecanoe posted:

Guaranteed sick time for workers, a safe school reopening plan, and a plan to vaccinate children under 12 would go a long way to controlling further outbreaks. Unfortunately all of these things have been indefinitely deferred with the expectation that the pandemic would just disappear eventually

Starks posted:

I'd like to see vaccine passports personally, that seems to have worked really well in France. I think everyone's idea of a vaccine-hesitant person is a screeching antimasker, but there are lots of quiet, completely self-interested people that don't feel the need to broadcast their intentions. They're basically free-riders; they want others to be vaccinated so their chances of getting sick are low, but they also don't want to accept the cost of taking the vaccine, whether it's what they perceive as a small risk, or the time to go get vaccinated, or the possibility of side effects.

Bleck posted:

Surely forcing these children into an overcrowded classroom during a pandemic will, somehow, magically, solve the problem with their attention span.

Tippecanoe posted:

Guaranteed sick time for workers, a safe school reopening plan, and a plan to vaccinate children under 12 would go a long way to controlling further outbreaks. Unfortunately all of these things have been indefinitely deferred with the expectation that the pandemic would just disappear eventually

Peaceful Anarchy posted:

But opening up, despite being pushed as an economic argument, is sold with an additional "and removing all restrictions" that is not necessary for opening up and frankly not conducive to helping out the economy when half your population is no more fearful of going into a small shop when they have no confidence that the people in it are masked, or even that they haven't tested positive for covid and knowingly infectious. It's so frustrating to me that garbage like this: Deena Hinshaw says it’s time for Albertans to adjust to living with COVID-19 means "accept that you and those around you will get sick" rather than "accept that you'll need to wear a mask and limit contacts and that the government will need to spend more money to keep you safe."

Jimbozig posted:

Teachers are very experienced with dealing with kids with ADHD

Bleck posted:

Gosh, things sure have changed from when I was a kid.

Jimbozig posted:

Vax approval for under 12s is super important. Do we have a good timeline for when that is possible? It seemed like we went from 18 down to 12 pretty quickly - my 13 year old neighbor got her vax not long after I did, and I got mine as soon as possible. I'm open to the idea of staying closed until that approval is ready if there is a reasonably fast timeline for it.

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In the SNC-Lavalin affair, the Ethics Commissioner found that Mr. Trudeau sought to improperly influence your decision. Your former cabinet colleague Jane Philpott once said the Prime Minister should have apologized, and moved on. Was that possible?

I think I had said this publicly, and I said this privately to the Prime Minister: I believe when something goes wrong, that you do apologize for it and you work to fix it. I mean, it depends on what the Prime Minister knew or didn’t know, what he was involved with, or wasn’t involved with.

What do you think now? Could it have been fixed? You had talks about staying.

I think the Prime Minister should have told the truth to Canadians.

Did he, in the end?

Well, I don’t know. I don’t think so. My view is very different from his. He did change his lines over and over again at the very beginning. But I mean, the Ethics Commissioner confirmed all of what I said in my testimony before the justice committee. The Prime Minister was in a conflict of interest for inappropriately pressuring me.

I think the Prime Minister and the Prime Minister’s Office have their own interpretations of what they feel transpired. One of them you’ve already mentioned is how there was a breakdown of trust between Gerry and I. I don’t ascribe to that rationale. I certainly don’t think that people – as they say – experience things differently. There is no way to experience pressuring the independent attorney-general to do something that’s against the law – there’s no way to experience that differently in my view.

You have a book, entitled “Indian” in the Cabinet, coming out soon. Have you written about those things in the book?

Yeah, I have. It’s coming out in September. I’ve written about my six years as an MP, certainly as a cabinet minister in the government.

And is it going to be explosive, in your view?

[Laughs] I don’t know about explosive but I imagine it will raise some eyebrows. As the title implies, it’s telling the truth about my experience and what I learned from my experience and provides some pathways forward based on that experience and how we can improve our democracy from an insider’s perspective. So I hope it’s interesting for people.

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Albino Squirrel posted:

I've heard that Pfizer should be ready to submit their data for the 5-12 study in September, so likely by October (approval for 12-18 happened really loving fast and this should be similar).

Both my kids are in that age group. When they're fully protected I *might* feel comfortable eating in a restaurant or going to a movie again.