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Trabisnikof posted:sure was real lucky that one of the terrorists' passports just landed unharmed in the street Ok, this one cracked my ping verily, are you loving SERIOUS?!
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mycomancy posted:Ok, this one cracked my ping verily, are you loving SERIOUS?! lol
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paul_soccer12 posted:why bother with building 7? no one even cared at the time and after teh twin towers were hit bush had carte blanche for war no matter what else happened Wasn't it holding the backup files into the investigation of like a trillion dollars that had vanished into thin air at the DOD? The primary files of which were held in the Pentagon and were also destroyed in a freak coincidence on 9/11?
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Legit tho, imagine if Osama had gone with the original plan:quote:According to the September 11 Commission, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed envisioned hijacking twelve airplanes on both the East and West coasts, and for eleven of them to crash into the World Trade Center and the Empire State Building in New York City; The Pentagon in Arlington, Virginia; the Prudential Tower in Boston, Massachusetts; the White House and the United States Capitol in Washington, D.C.; the Willis Tower (then Sears Tower) in Chicago, Illinois; the U.S. Bank Tower (then Library Tower) in Los Angeles, California; the Transamerica Pyramid in San Francisco, California; and the Columbia Center in Seattle, Washington. But nope, it got McKinsey MBA’ed into a cost effiency minimal viable product instead
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Aug 6, 2021 23:17
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Trabisnikof posted:Legit tho, imagine if Osama had gone with the original plan: oh no! not the Columbia Center/BoFA tower by Martin Selig. truly a beaut
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Aug 6, 2021 23:20
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As a UNC grad KSM should've used one to target Duke campus. Imagine the hearts and minds that would've won
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Aug 6, 2021 23:30
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Trabisnikof posted:Legit tho, imagine if Osama had gone with the original plan: (numba wone citah in da wurld!!) mycomancy posted:Ok, this one cracked my ping verily, are you loving SERIOUS?!
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Aug 6, 2021 23:39
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Trabisnikof posted:Legit tho, imagine if Osama had gone with the original plan: can you imagine Boston with their own 9/11 memorial
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Aug 6, 2021 23:41
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Victory Position posted:can you imagine Boston with their own 9/11 memorial Imagine the Mark Walburg movies.
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Aug 6, 2021 23:42
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Zmej posted:lol this is what I came here for I mean, I was a loving adult when 9/11 happened, and I never remember reading or hearing this from the news because that would've radicalized the ever living gently caress out of me about a decade before it did in reality. Just...I just can't....
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Aug 6, 2021 23:43
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I was in preschool when 9/11 happened y'all are boomers to me
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Aug 6, 2021 23:48
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tokin opposition posted:I was in preschool when 9/11 happened y'all are boomers to me I was in 3rd grade and was like cool we get the day off.
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Aug 6, 2021 23:49
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Even Mega-9/11 wouldn't have killed as many people as the US' own goal coronavirus response
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Aug 6, 2021 23:52
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I came home from school like 10 minutes after the first plane and turned on the tv. it was the most incredible thing I ever saw. i phoned my parents to let them know but they thought i was making poo poo up and got a bit mad.
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Aug 6, 2021 23:54
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tokin opposition posted:I was in preschool when 9/11 happened y'all are boomers to me lmao
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i was in 7th grade for 9/11 and i remember a kid at lunch telling everyone a million people were killed
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Fortaleza posted:As a UNC grad KSM should've used one to target Duke campus. Imagine the hearts and minds that would've won He didn't want Americans to support him though
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Aug 6, 2021 23:59
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MonsieurChoc posted:Blowback Season 3 should be the Vietnam War. In it for the soundtrack
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tokin opposition posted:I was in preschool when 9/11 happened y'all are boomers to me i think i was in kindergarten but either way i don't even remember it lol
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Trabisnikof posted:Legit tho, imagine if Osama had gone with the original plan: nah the 12 hijackings plan was what came after this first idea: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bojinka_plot quote:The Bojinka plot was a large-scale, three-phase terrorist attack planned by Ramzi Yousef and Khalid Sheikh Mohammed for January 1995. They planned to assassinate Pope John Paul II; blow up 11 airliners in flight from Asia to the United States with the goal of killing approximately 4,000 passengers and shutting down air travel around the world; and crash a plane into the headquarters of the United States Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) in Fairfax County, Virginia. They scrapped that and went to the idea for 12 hijackings, then downscaled to four planes inside US territory. one proposed target was a nuclear power plant but bin Laden vetoed this because he "didn't want things to get out of hand" (for real). gh0stpinballa has issued a correction as of 00:19 on Aug 7, 2021 |
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if they killed the pope and blew up the cia they probably would've gotten a bump in approval rating in some parts of the us
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anti nuclear proliferation cartoon where Khalid Sheikh Mohammed proposes increasingly destructive and insane terror plots until reaching the nuclear option and Bin Laden butts in and says "What!? I'm not stupid!" and then winks at the reader.
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Aug 7, 2021 00:58
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I was 13 when 9/11 happened lol.
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I thought I was the youngest goon, but there's motherfuckers who dont remember 9/11
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Best thing about 9/11 is that goons keep getting older but it stays the same age
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gh0stpinballa posted:nah the 12 hijackings plan was what came after this first idea: No, they got discovered by the Philippine authorities while testing one of the bombs. The plot was essentially foiled, but expressly not by the US.
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A Russian troll farm posted:I thought I was the youngest goon, but there's motherfuckers who dont remember 9/11 Man, there's people fighting the Forever War who weren't even born when it happened, man 
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Wraith of J.O.I. posted:i was in 7th grade for 9/11 and i remember a kid at lunch telling everyone a million people were killed
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mycomancy posted:Ok, this one cracked my ping verily, are you loving SERIOUS?! this catchphrase has gotta go
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H.P. Hovercraft posted:this catchphrase has gotta go You have to go.
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H.P. Hovercraft posted:this catchphrase has gotta go I've been saying this for what feels like years! 
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H.P. Hovercraft posted:this catchphrase has gotta go
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H.P. Hovercraft posted:this catchphrase has gotta go I hope this is an attempt at getting people to say it more because otherwise my sympathies
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some plague rats posted:I hope this is an attempt at getting people to say it more impossible
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Shipon posted:brace and liz lost me when they unironically did the "jet fuel can't melt steel beams" thing, if you gently caress up simple material properties like that then you shouldn't be speaking on any engineering-related matters. i definitely believe though that bush and the us government allowed it to happen as a convenient excuse to start a new set of wars because they definitely had full knowledge of the plot. I think they chose a bad "source" for those episodes in the housetrotter guy. I remember when Liz is like "this guy doesn't seem like someone who would believe dumb things" and....uh, yeah, he kind of does. That being said, I actually think there's a non-trivial chance that the towers were brought down through non-plane means. It's obvious that there was a clear intent to engineer an excuse for the Iraq War, and "planes running into the twin towers and wrecking a few floors, killing ~100 people" just wouldn't have the same "oomph" to rally the public. So the mere fact that all the buildings in question collapsed was *possible* doesn't mean that's necessarily what actually happened. It just means that you're weighing different highly unlikely outcomes against one another.
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crazy eyes mustafa posted:No, they got discovered by the Philippine authorities while testing one of the bombs. The plot was essentially foiled, but expressly not by the US. You're quite correct, my bad
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The entire point of trueanon imo is that wingnut conspiracy theories are allowed to propagate to obfuscate and discredit actual malfeasance and/or negligence on the part of state actors. They approach this by being credulous to the ‘conspiracy theory’ premise and then walking it back until they hit facts that are established. I don’t think they’ve ever claimed “oh yeah it’s 100% true that bush colluded with the cia to thermite the wtc support structure” but are happy to entertain these theories rhetorically to point out that they aren’t actually that unprecedented or bold on the list of American state crimes.
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Ytlaya posted:I think they chose a bad "source" for those episodes in the housetrotter guy. I remember when Liz is like "this guy doesn't seem like someone who would believe dumb things" and....uh, yeah, he kind of does. My favorite thing about that guy was his “source” that had a totally comprehensive timeline but he said the site would always be down randomly, so you have to catch it at the right time. I like to imagine that site was run by one crazy guy out of sheer willpower. I just thought it was a pretty funny red flag for a good source of information.
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TheSlutPit posted:The entire point of trueanon imo is that wingnut conspiracy theories are allowed to propagate to obfuscate and discredit actual malfeasance and/or negligence on the part of state actors. They approach this by being credulous to the ‘conspiracy theory’ premise and then walking it back until they hit facts that are established. I don’t think they’ve ever claimed “oh yeah it’s 100% true that bush colluded with the cia to thermite the wtc support structure” but are happy to entertain these theories rhetorically to point out that they aren’t actually that unprecedented or bold on the list of American state crimes. Not sure if that's even a point of TrueAnon but imo most conspiracy theories are centered upon the supposition of malicious intent, and opposition to such theories is usually grounded in excusing any potential instance of malice as incompetence instead. As far as who prepared the structure of the WTC for demolition, they do allude that the Kroll company was responsible (iirc there was conjecture this was done by the visiting artists who toured the site in the weeks before the attack who may have in fact been the so-called "dancing Israelis" that Trump alluded to early in his presidential campaign)
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crazy eyes mustafa posted:Not sure if that's even a point of TrueAnon but imo most conspiracy theories are centered upon the supposition of malicious intent, and opposition to such theories is usually grounded in excusing any potential instance of malice as incompetence instead. To this point I think they’ve specifically said this is *a* premise of the show on a few eps. I know it was mentioned on the 5G episode that the “5G creates covid/mind control/etc” theories are at minimum allowed to flourish because the more mundane reality—that omnipresent, high bandwidth wireless on every device enables a massive expansion of surveillance and data collection capabilities—is both credible and concerning. I would say it’s fairly extensible too, as if you start talking to someone irl about the material presented in the jakarta method you are more likely to sound like a crazy person than someone versed on 20th century history. Maybe the haters are right though that they’ve leaned too much into the pop theories over some of the more nuanced critique.
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